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  • sucahyo
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    Thanks. I learn many things from everyone here, so many thanks to everyone here.

    It is amazing to see the progress so far. In case you miss this, using similar circuit such as yours, if we limit the HV output to grid voltage, I think we can light up a light bulb and touching the wire without being electrocuted. I only tried it with lighted up CFL though, it don't give shock. I think the CFL would stil light up even if I submerge it under water along with my hand. I am sure it won't sock me. Not for anyone to try because from what I know everyone use car coil or flyback transformer:
    YouTube - Non shocking property of radiant electricity

    This is one of the reason why I believe that your experiment result is true. If it won't shock, it sure have other properties not predicted by common knowledge.


    You can see some mobius coil here:
    coil info

    Also I just notice that it already mentioned here, page 35:
    http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf


    Do you happen to know in what direction of twist the bifilar have the most powerfull magnetizing power? Or maybe Aaron can answer, because I think John Bedini know the answer. This question relate to the mention in your website about:
    "This would result in a bidirectional path or a spiral within the field. As the electron is seen to spiral in a bubble chamber then I am proposing that the electron may be a composite of three truants."

    I think this is the reason why electricity flow close to the skin of the conductor wire, not at center. Since the magnetic force always follow the right hand rule, I think the electricity must flow always at the same spiralling direction. If the correct twisting is known, the electricity spiraling movement maybe the opposite or in similar direction., since I don't know if zipon is manifest when the electron turning or when electron go straight.


    Originally posted by witsend View Post
    My believe in aether is different from most people here though, because I believe there are living thing in there.
    Living or just conscious?
    Have mind, body and home. Maybe there are subset physics rule, but there should be general rule that work on all world.
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  • witsend
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    Following from Sucahyo
    My believe in aether is different from most people here though, because I believe there are living thing in there.
    Living or just conscious?

    For winding, I currently thinking the possibility of more heat coming from messy winding vs neat winding. During high school I am the one in charge in replacing the transformer of flourencent light, I notice that the one with more noise and more heat usually come from messy wound (most can be seen).
    That is interesting.

    ... I am thinking that if two zippon has opposing direction, if they collide, both will be slowed down and create heat.
    Indeed. And even in the same direction. If these zipons get out of the field, if their orbits are interrupted, or their symmetries broken, then they can manifest as slow hot big 'things' rather than small fast cold 'thing' in the field. Inverse proportionate relationship.

    Re the same direction causing collision. I actually think they'll just extend their field of influence. They like to move to establish order? But I may be wrong. I see it like two magnets 'joining' forces so to speak.

    But if the current flow in one wire go to the opposite way then the zipon collision space will be cover any space where the zipon of both wire intersect, *edit* except fot the space between the wire *edit*.
    If there are two fields intersecting with like poles there will definitely be repulsion. I agree. It could be chaotic.

    The result of more collision space maybe a much greater heat generation and also less zipon available to affect other object close by.
    I see this as chain reaction. The one broken field then breaks others. Like one spark can start a fire.

    A coil with opposing winding is mobius coil. I was wrong to think that mobius is only in the shape of donut. But it seems mobius coil can be in any shape including tubular. The principle of mobius coil is one wire goes to different direction. An alternation of current flow direction when winding the coil. The simplest method is bifilar winding where we connect the head of both wire and use the tail for terminal.
    Never heardof a mobius coil? But I think I get the picture. I'll look it up.

    Coil usually wound either in a messy way or neat top bottom - bottom top alternation. I currently convince that the third alternative of winding, bottom up - bottom up winding resulted in less heating and more electromagnetic force. But since I don't have measurement equipment I do not dare to be 100% sure.
    I'm sure you're right here.

    I think it's great that the heater is being researched by many of people. It should make the progress go faster . I can't help by improving the replicate because of resource limit, but I will give contribution in a way I can.
    Many thanks for this. All support most welcome.

    Currently my radiant charger is run cool at 0.3Amp. I use it to cool down my everyday cup of water for some month now. I don't know what cause the colling of the water. Maybe because Schauberger principle or occult chemistry principle or electrostatic induction or something else.
    Again. I never knew about this.

    thanks Sucahyo. Am so interested that you're actually applying these principles to real things. That's where I fall flat on my face. I tend to stay too theoretical. Very interesting post.

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  • sucahyo
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    Originally posted by witsend View Post
    Aether is a compelling argument and I think is becoming widely endorsed, especially from our astrophysicists. The best winding is always the thickest. I think the amount of 'kick back' only depends on the amount of inductance you can introduce to the circuit. Regarding the generation of heat - that's in the model. My proposal is that the zipon 'fields' get liberated from their position in the amalgam. But I may very well be wrong here.

    And how interesting that you've come round to believing in this hidden potential in the circuit. Aaron has been struggling to get full resonance. For some reason it's not quite as easy as I seemed to manage. But I think he's already at upwards of 600%. That's got to be impressive. If you also find trouble with that frequency then I think he's got some videos en route to help guide you guys in this respect.

    So glad you're a part of the team.
    My believe in aether is different from most people here though, because I believe there are living thing in there.

    For winding, I currently thinking the possibility of more heat coming from messy winding vs neat winding. During high school I am the one in charge in replacing the transformer of flourencent light, I notice that the one with more noise and more heat usually come from messy wound (most can be seen).

    I am thinking that if a wire is angled in certain degree from other wire it will create heat. More angle will will make more heat. According to your theory, if a zipon slowed down, the heat will be generated. I am thinking that if two zippon has opposing direction, if they collide, both will be slowed down and create heat.

    If two wire are perfectly parallel to each other with both current flow to the same direction there will be zipon collision space in space between the wire. But if the current flow in one wire go to the opposite way then the zipon collision space will be cover any space where the zipon of both wire intersect, *edit* except fot the space between the wire *edit*.

    The result of more collision space maybe a much greater heat generation and also less zipon available to affect other object close by.

    A coil with opposing winding is mobius coil. I was wrong to think that mobius is only in the shape of donut. But it seems mobius coil can be in any shape including tubular. The principle of mobius coil is one wire goes to different direction. An alternation of current flow direction when winding the coil. The simplest method is bifilar winding where we connect the head of both wire and use the tail for terminal.

    Coil usually wound either in a messy way or neat top bottom - bottom top alternation. I currently convince that the third alternative of winding, bottom up - bottom up winding resulted in less heating and more electromagnetic force. But since I don't have measurement equipment I do not dare to be 100% sure.

    I think it's great that the heater is being researched by many of people. It should make the progress go faster . I can't help by improving the replicate because of resource limit, but I will give contribution in a way I can.

    Currently my radiant charger is run cool at 0.3Amp. I use it to cool down my everyday cup of water for some month now. I don't know what cause the colling of the water. Maybe because Schauberger principle or occult chemistry principle or electrostatic induction or something else.
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  • witsend
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    Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
    Thanks for the explanation Rosemary, it do help me understand your theory better. And thanks for the additional note Harvey.

    I also believe aether. I don't believe in space-time theory, although I do believe that spike can attract or repel more energy outside the circuit. Else there wouldn't be one wire lighting.


    What kind of wounding is best for the heater? There should be a wounding that is fit for heating and for cooling isn't it? Just like wounding best for more current or for less induction.

    I ask from theory perspective, maybe you have an explanation on how heat efficiently created in coil?


    There are sceptic everywhere, but since I start as one, I can't blame them. We all have something that we firmly believe. It can be bad if it's fall apart for some.
    Aether is a compelling argument and I think is becoming widely endorsed, especially from our astrophysicists. The best winding is always the thickest. I think the amount of 'kick back' only depends on the amount of inductance you can introduce to the circuit. Regarding the generation of heat - that's in the model. My proposal is that the zipon 'fields' get liberated from their position in the amalgam. But I may very well be wrong here.

    And how interesting that you've come round to believing in this hidden potential in the circuit. Aaron has been struggling to get full resonance. For some reason it's not quite as easy as I seemed to manage. But I think he's already at upwards of 600%. That's got to be impressive. If you also find trouble with that frequency then I think he's got some videos en route to help guide you guys in this respect.

    So glad you're a part of the team.

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  • witsend
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    Originally posted by quantumuppercut View Post
    @witsend,

    You had a choice to stay away from all these commotion, but you chose to get involve. Might as well enjoy the experience. It is not neccessary be a bad thing. I am now certain that the circuit behaves as you described in your model, but like you said, people might look for a better model. I think you already find a cure for this by being fond with your own realization. To me, it is my best friend that can always cheer me up.
    Hi quantumuppercut. You're right. Lots of fun in discussion. The best of all is in discussion with bigots. It makes arguing so entertaining. But what hurts the general thrust of these objects is when there's an 'attack' that has nothing to do with discussion of ideas or even of test replication. That's from left field and is bruising. And I think that such could be lethal to our objects, if not countered. And then I tend to feel bruised and challenged, both. But like I said - we've lost so many battles. But - sure as hell - we have not yet lost this war.

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  • sucahyo
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    Thanks for the explanation Rosemary, it do help me understand your theory better. And thanks for the additional note Harvey.

    I also believe aether. I don't believe in space-time theory, although I do believe that spike can attract or repel more energy outside the circuit. Else there wouldn't be one wire lighting.


    What kind of wounding is best for the heater? There should be a wounding that is fit for heating and for cooling isn't it? Just like wounding best for more current or for less induction.

    I ask from theory perspective, maybe you have an explanation on how heat efficiently created in coil?


    There are sceptic everywhere, but since I start as one, I can't blame them. We all have something that we firmly believe. It can be bad if it's fall apart for some.
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  • quantumuppercut
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    @witsend,

    You had a choice to stay away from all these commotion, but you chose to get involve. Might as well enjoy the experience. It is not neccessary be a bad thing. I am now certain that the circuit behaves as you described in your model, but like you said, people might look for a better model. I think you already find a cure for this by being fond with your own realization. To me, it is my best friend that can always cheer me up.

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  • witsend
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    Hi Joit. Actually I'm delighted that TK's giving me so much exposure. My model is absolutely not proven - and is very likely not correct. But I'm quite fond of it. And - at its least - it predicted the effect on that circuit. But we still need Aaron and people like you and other experimentalists to prove it - and, quite frankly, even that proof may not prove the model.

    In any event. I'm quite attached to my thinking here. But, like I say, I'm in a minority of 1 against I don't know how many.

    Joit - on a personal level, I get such a kick out of your posts. And I am just so grateful for your support - on so many levels.

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  • Joit
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    witsend,
    usual its everwhere the same, from Microcosm to Macrocosm,
    anywhere it s allways the same, you 'only' need to interpret them right.

    Anyway, i dont like her 'i am the good Boy, you are the bad Boy' Game.
    Theyr Comments are divided into See, how wrong you are, but i am the nice Guy, and give you an Hint.
    He did take this Quote from your Blogspot, but only shows once more a Side of his poor Character.
    But i dont expect anything else from them anyway.
    They should make a Popup there, 'Enter at your own Risc'

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  • witsend
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    Harvey - am just so chuffed that you have actually read some of my model. Many thanks for that.

    I see that my endless problems with electrons are not yours. I must acknowledge that it is highly unlikely that my concepts are correct. And regarding 'fire' I'm too fond of my own interpretation at this stage to entirely 'give it up'. But again, I must acknowledge that you clearly know whereof you speak and I cannot claim that advantage. Just see it as the eccentric deductions of an equally eccentric mind. I'm afraid I'm awfully fond of my reasoning but perhaps should not be so free with its expression - lest it generally confuse people more thoroughly than already appears to be the case.

    Thanks again for the comments. I'm flattered that you replied at all, and with such remarkable tolerance. I would be very interested in seeing the outcome of that 'test' that you proposed.

    edit. I see TK is now 'quoting' me on every post. "As an amateur, the propect of attempting a meaningful comment on physics is, at best, inappropriate". I'm really grateful that he is giving such ample exposure to my own thoughts on the matter. My own 'logic', if such it is, is just so much fun. I keep hoping I'll find others that share that fun. But I grant you I cannot claim that it is also right.
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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi folks, Hi Rosemary, yes you really should look more into Joseph Newman's work, try and get hold of his book in pdf. He really has a clear and simple explanations for things and that is supreme. Of course some of your ideas make much sense also, Newman just takes it from a more practical mechanical view which is easier to translate into devices here in this dimension. He points out that a thicker piece of resistance wire becomes less resistive yet emits more heat which is the opposite of copper conductor which with a thicker copper conductor again becomes less resistive however less heat is manifest which does show an interaction directly with the atoms or whatever in the material. And I am sure some have noticed that copper wire has a threshold where the magnetic field stops increasing and heat manifests which also destroys our magnetic field, overheat a permanent magnet and magnetic field is gone. These things that Newman has been pointing out, totally contradict the theory that we are filling up these coils, they are filling themselves up as far as magnetic field goes, by whats occurring in the material and when we scale these coils up with thicker wire to maintain the same resistance it becomes obvious that is the case.
    peace love light
    Tyson

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  • Harvey
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    Hi Rosemary,
    An interesting read to be sure. It would be good to develop a concise summary that outlines the key points in a progressive manner.

    Some of the attributes you assign to the zipon are reminiscent of the gluon particle. While still other attributes seem to adopt the characteristics normally assigned to virtual photons in Hawkings works.

    You mention with regard to the eventual decay of the resistor that it will simply 'short out'. I beleive that this is incorrect. As the conductor decays, outer layers of the conductive material will become unbound, oxidize and in some cases flake off in macroscopic proportions. This results in a smaller diameter conductor which increases its resistance. The increased resistance causes increased heating in the narrower regions which exacerbates the oxidation process and eventually results in a liquefaction of the material. Cohesive action causes the liquid material to 'ball up' and this results in an 'open circuit' rather than a 'short circuit'. However, that being said, in some cases the liquefied metal can bridge windings and cascade into a straight bridge from terminal to terminal, and this would satisfy your statement of a 'short circuit'

    Evidently there had been much talk regarding current and its definition. In a post elsewhere I drew attention to the matter that current is a measurement of charge passing a given point in a give period. The charge is not exclusive to electrical charge. It can relate to water in a river, or air in a pipe or even magnetic flux in a magnetic conductor. Conventional electrical current is generally accepted to refer to that value positive charge that propagates through an external circuit from the positive voltage source to the negative voltage reference. In physical reality however, it is a redistribution of a finite quantity of free electrons as they are allowed to 'spread out' through the provided pathway. When we apply a charge to a battery, we are actually forcing free electrons together in a manner that prohibits them from pushing away from each other. It is this tension, the charge force of compacting these free electrons into a smaller space that we call voltage. At the same time that we do this to one terminal, we are doing just the opposite to the other terminal. Here on the surface of this planet we have a normal distribution of free electrons that we call 'ground' and we often associate 'zero volts' to this arrangement. If we deplete this arrangement of free electrons we then have a positive voltage relative to 'ground' and if we compact or force more electrons together we get a negative voltage relative to ground. This 'ground' is different than the 'ground state' or neutral charge balance of atoms and chemical reactions, as that would be a true zero. Instead, we find that the planet actually has a negative charge when compared to the neutral state. So we see that the 'reference' plays an important part in electrodynamics. There is a real measurable pressure between two metal strips that have the exact same charge regardless of the reference. If you check the videos offered by MIT for 8.02 regarding electric charges you will find some very interesting demonstrations. So to sum up this paragraph; we don't add electrons to a battery, we simply pack them all to one side .

    Regarding flames, sparks and other forms of plasma: I will try an make this as simple and short as possible. Any matter, when sufficiently raised in energy will convert that energy to electromagnetic radiation. For a campfire, we see the superheated smoke particles emitting a wide spectrum of EM energy from white blue to deep red and have measured frequencies above and below the visible spectrum. The rising glowing smoke is what we know as flames. There is an interesting video showing a flame in microgravity on you-tube. Sparks are simply another example of molecules converting energy to the EM spectrum, as does plasma. Note that the molecules do not have to raised in temperature for this to occur. It is possible to have a cold flame (ionized gas) just as easily as it is to have a hot one. The emission of infrared energy is just one indicator of the underlying thermal temperature, but some things can be extremely hot with zero IR emission. A hydrogen flame for instance.

    This post would not be complete without some reference to space-time. IMHO, space-time is the Aether by which all observed effects interact. The recent Gravity Probe-B experiments proved that space-time does in fact become dragged along with a moving mass and that Geodetic effects to occur. Tesla was among the first to declare that this was the case and cited it as the reason why the Michelson Morley experiment failed to show an Aether existed. This is important. The reason, is that our reference for charged particle movement is directly hooked into space-time. The particle must move, relative to space time in order to produce a magnetic field. This means, if we took a loop of wire around two conductive wheels at different potentials and moved that wire around those wheels such that the speed of the current in the wire matched the rotation of the earth (hence space-time), the magnetic field around that current carrying wire would disappear. You heard that here first. The same holds true for all EM propagation.

    Cheers,

    Harvey

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  • Harvey
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    Originally posted by witsend View Post
    Harvey - I appreciate your need to rest - especially while you're sick. But don't underestimate a quick read of this model for it's soporific benefits.
    ROFL - If I could count the times I've dozed off proof-reading my own posts!

    Feeling better - not 100% ready to read over the foregoing

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  • witsend
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    Hi Quantumuppercut, so nice to see you on this thread. And so unexpected. I'm afraid my model is also based on aetheric concepts.

    Hope to see more of you
    Rosemary

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  • quantumuppercut
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    Hi Rosemary,

    I've came accross this thread once and saw truants and zipons. I thought "oh no, not another quantum explaination using quarks and more quarks". Now that I have to chance to go through it again, I think I can survive.

    See, I like classical. The main reason is it simple. What I mean is strickly Newtorian mechanic. It has a giant model that we can see in everyday life. When they discover electricity, they try to use Newtorian mechanic to visualize "electron flow", kinda speak. I think they did the right thing. It is all for the benefit that we can simplify things using the big model easily accessed. The problem, in my opinion, they failed because Newtorian mechanic is incomplete. If you carry a flaw and build something to it, the flaw stays. The incompleteness was not resolved by Newton and Leibniz ,but solved by Bessler, and I strongly believed later solved by Coriolis. It's a shame that the human heart is not open enough to except Bessler or give the unexpected a chance.

    On your theory, I must say it's some new good food for thought. I visualized your zipons as many scientist so call "aether". The explaination might varies, but the general thinking is intatch. It's great to read because I've never read anything shocking more than "aether is a medium proposed that occupy vaccum". You've taken your theory and applied it to battery and circuit in a new way of understanding . That is the most valuable thing a science theory could offer.

    Anyway, let me take some times to absorb the things you say.



    Quantum

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