Luc Choquette Fraud Dispute

[Aaron]

@Rick / @Todd Miller

Looks like you're not the only one to receive $UM1's message on their profile page. It showed up on mine, too, and I imagine a lot of others here have been spammed in the same way. PM's should seldom be used, and only in an appropriate manner.

Rick

Hi Rick,

Yes, I got a message from someone else that he posted it on their personal
profile page too, which only ensures that hardly anyone will see what he
wants everyone to see so I posted it here.

I really have no problem with him claiming what he is claiming, I don't
buy it, but I certainly want him to voice his concerns.

I asked for a specific schematic and he refuses to answer anything in
my response, refuses to show a schematic, refuses to do anything other
than claim Luc and this patent application is based on his circuit.

So I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish by making these claims but
refusing to offer up anything to back it up. He sent me youtube video
links, I saw them and they reveal that that has nothing to do with the
patent application schematic based on my simple design.

@Todd Miller - it isn't helpful to post your complaints in people's private
forums. I understand you think you have a concern so discuss it here.
Why don't you have your teachers Tero and Chassel come here and post
their schematics as well so we can all see what you are claiming. Why
don't you do that? Why not post your own schematics as well?
I used to correspond to Tero - ask him (qiman13 username). I remember
he had a "plasma ignition". I don't remember the details, that was a few
years ago, but if it is the plasma jet ignition method, he is only copying
what has already been patented for 40 years or so. If you think different,
I suggest you actually do some research so you can see the facts.

[rickoff]

@$UM1 - WHY? Why do you insist of posting this on my private profile page where hardly anyone will see it?

Looks like you're not the only one to receive $UM1's message on their profile page. It showed up on mine, too, and I imagine a lot of others here have been spammed in the same way. PM's should seldom be used, and only in an appropriate manner.

Rick

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

@$UM1 - WHY? Why do you insist of posting this on my private profile page
where hardly anyone will see it? Let me help you:

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"DISPUTE - Energy Efficient Plasma Generation Pub. No.: US 2010/0319644 A1

Really wish everyone would stop trying to claim something $um1 else has done before them as there own... As Terro & Classen are my educators & anyone else who follows showing such systems. I am disappointed humanity these days.... I out of respect to those who originated this have not followed up on these systems commercially... And I will not go without telling & competing with any of these posers who are claiming it as their own after the original guys or myself do so 1st. I have so much more to offer but
1 I'm broke have no more money to research and build not to mention live comfortable...
AND 2,,,, LOOK AT THIS CRAP EVERYONE INVOLVED KNOWS IT'S NOT THEIRS AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING MORE THEN HAVE MONEY TO GET MORE MONEY....

THIS IS WRONG IT SHOWS HOW MUCH HUMANITY SUCKS AND HOW SELFISH AND GREEDY PEOPLE REALLY ARE.... THIS IS NOT COOL AND I AM BUILDING TO COMPETE NOW.... I DON'T KNOW HOW WITHOUT FUNDS BUT IT WILL COME TO ME IT ALWAYS DOES....


I Like this quote I dislike this quote“Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.”

Nikola Tesla"

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First of all, Tero or anyone else did NOT invent the plasma ignition type
circuit. YOUR videos you post descriptions stating it does NOT burn water
and will only work when the gap is small and closed up.

The patent application in question has NOTHING to do with hooking an
inverter across the plug and this is MY invention - not yours, not Tero's,
not Classen's. Period, get over it please.

I addressed the Todd Miller issue - if you can't even post here in public
with your own name attached to it, what is the point of trying to take
credit for something anyway if you are anonymous, which you aren't
really since Luc ALREADY posted your private email, I removed your
personal email out of respect for your privacy and so your email isn't
taken by spam bots. You contacted me by instant message, I've seen
your videos, and they are NOT the same.

Why don't you have the integrity to simply lay out what you want to
say here for everyone to see instead of trying to hide out by posting in
my personal profile page?

The plasma jet ignition method has been patented by countless companies
including NGK, Nissan, Mazda, you name it for the last 40 years or so and
if you want to claim that you, Tero and Classen invented the plasma
ignition, you are seriously uninformed.

The patent application - I NEVER claimed to have invented the plasma
ignition, just the simple method using a single cap on the front. If anyone
else has done this before, it has never been revealed publicly before so
my claim stands.

If you think that method was invented by you, Tero and Classen, PROVE IT
or stop bothering me. I gave you ample opportunity to post something
here to back your claims.

Here is Luc's post about your claims:
http://www.energeticforum.com/131844-post4.html

Here is my little research on your claims - respond to them or stop
harassing me:

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I did a little bit of research into Todd Miller's claims. Basically, I can't find
anything to back the claim that his plasma ignition has anything to do with
my method that is in the patent.

Here is a cached site:
Todd Miller's Page - HHOINFO

At the bottom, there is a link to a pdf:
plasma02_fullschematic.pdf

It goes here:
http://api.ning.com/files/ztiYYy89aa...lschematic.pdf

It looks like an attempt to replicate the Puharich concept possibly.

Here is Todd Miller's HHO page:
HHOINFO

There are almost no straight up ignition schematics in that whole site.
There was one on this page:
HHOINFO

That has this:
http://api.ning.com/files/Dr8hgUUw-R...ArcCircuit.pdf

But that is just the Nexus circuit.

The Nexus circuit is nothing more than Luc's original June 27, 2008
diagram but instead of a cap discharge into the primary, it is triggered
by just battery input alone and there is a cap across the rectified output
of the inverter. In other words - virtually identical in concept to the
Suckewer - Princeton patents. So Nexus was not a new or different way
to do the plasma ignition by any stretch of the imagination.

On this google cache page:
Todd Miller's Page - HHOINFO

Todd says he openly he is fastimports3 on Youtube.

Now, YouTube - Plasma Ignition Installed on Van
that is one of his videos. And a few comments on his video:

• Very nice! I'm working on this ignition system too. Should give some nice results. Try increasing the gap of your plugs.
  
  
  brianempson 2 years ago
• Don't increase gap cut the j-tip of the plug back a little and side gap the plug. Increasing the gap kills the plasma arc effect. Also use NGK non-resistor V-power racing plugs. They have worked the best for me. Works way better than MSD 6AL box using gasoline for fuel...... I'm still think it might explode pre-conditioned (Hydrogen Enriched)water too.
  
  
  fastimports3 2 years ago
• small question
  can it explode mist water?
  i'm also doing same expiremnt.
  
  
  dreamyear 2 years ago
• At this time it doesn't explode water.
  But I have a couple other things to try still.
  
  
  fastimports3 2 years ago

I'd recommend everyone look at that video - it doesn't sound the same
as this plasma effect. Nor do any of his other videos. The plasma doesn't
even look the same. Plasma isn't plasma isn't plasma. You can light a
match and claim that is plasma because fire is plasma. A standard
Kettering spark ignition is technically a plasma ignition system since every
"spark" is a plasma. But this water sparkplug thread plasma is distinctly
different from any of these.

Todd Miller says not to increase the gap as it kills the effect AND that
it doesn't explode water. Well, all of us here that has used the method
in this forum know full well that increasing the gap gives a BIGGER AND
BIGGER effect up to the max gap possible that the discharge can
break down.

I showed that a long time ago in addition to it exploding water like mad,
but specifically to show that this is different from what he is doing,
here is this video - when I open the strap up, it gets crazy big with the
booster caps.

YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition| Booster Caps

I originally posted that in June 08 on youtube most most people know
my entire account was cancelled by youtube. I didn't violate anyone's
copyright because I made all my own videos. A youtube insider told me
that it was closed due to "spamming".

So Todd's system's effect gets killed when opening up the gap and it
doesn't explode water. I think claims that my method in the patent is
NOT the same.

In a few of Todd's videos, it seems he is using HV from an ignition coil
in addition to 110 volts from an inverter in parallel with the plug. Basically,
what Luc was doing in the s1r replication attempts.

Todd lists this as his "homepage"
Electric Fields and Moving Media, Stanley Meyer Explained - Heretical Builders

If Todd can show differently, I'm all ears but so far, it appears that
his circuits are closer to the one Luc posted originally with the inverter
connected to the plug, which of course has nothing to do with the
schematic on the patent in question.

[Mad Hornet SparkAmplifier]

Theft of IP

Dear Friends,

We here at Green Intentions USA want to thank everyone for the help with the theft of our IP. It was because of all of you that we found out who was stealing from us and selling knock offs of our technology. Thanks to all we now have all the evidence we need. Below is a list of the companies that are involved with the crime.

The company who we believe that is responsible for the crime is a company called EDI diodes Electronics Devices Inc. (a Chinese based company) Below are the names of the suspects:

(alias)JIMMY HUANG REAL NAME (Zhi Min Huang)
PRESIDENT OF EDI –Electronic Devices, Inc.
and various other companies such as (these companies were formed during contract negotiations)
Shanghai Jianeng Technology, Inc. – a Chinese company
GREENPOWER DEVICES INC. – an American company
email jimmyhuang54@gmail.com
Jimmy is a foreign national who told us he has dual citizenship
He is the ringleader

HANK KOLOKOWSKY
EDI –Electronic Devices, Inc.
email hank_kolokowsky@yahoo.com
800-678-0828

JOHN DILEO
VICE PRESIDENT OF SALES at EDI –Electronic Devices, Inc.
email john.d@edidiodes.com

Night Vision Array, High Voltage Rectifiers, Fast Recovery diodes, Avalanche Diodes, High Current Assemblies, Full wave Bridges.

This company was hired by us and paid to make the diode blocks.They then breached our agreement and sold our technology to both our competitors.We also believe that they tried to reverse engineer our unit. If you are having trouble with any of the suspected products please write to this email musclecars4u@hotmail.com. If you need immediate assistance go to this address and contact us Electronic Design & Development Corp. . We will be offering free tech support to get you going. If you suspect the equipment you have to be counterfeit please call the FBI. We will also try and help those people too.

Blue phoenixignition was notified and has not complied with our requests.Currently we are not sure about how deeply they are involved the owner Richard Hann has been in contact with us and talks continue.

Ecoignition has complied and has removed the material from their website. We thank them for that.

If anyone has any information about these companies or anyone suspected in IP theft please contact the FBI.

Sincerely

Gary Oldenburg
COB/Green Intentions USA

[Aaron]

3 point and electromagnets

I got rid of the spark plug all together, and tested some "3 electrode" combos It's also great for electromagnets.....hint hint
Everything anyone could ever need is throughout this forum....just gotta put it all together.

Yep, I'm glad there are others that have seen it

[Ordo_Ab_Chao]

A lil big...

@Aaron
It actually worked perfectly for what I did. I got rid of the spark plug all together, and tested some "3 electrode" combos It's also great for electromagnets.....hint hint
Everything anyone could ever need is throughout this forum....just gotta put it all together.

Anyway, good luck with your endevours. I hope it works for all who deserve credit

[Aaron]

big blast

I got great results with a 2500uf capacitor ...a little too great

I'd say so - that is a tad bit big! lol

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

Hmmm... Tough call. Greed and ego.
I mean the system does not actually work at all if trying to run a car engine on water alone.
But the novelty of that big spark will sell millions of units to teenage boy racers all over the globe.
Their conventional plugs wont last long hence the need for Aarons tungsten plug, but even tungsten don't last much longer.
So there will be a huge market for replacement plugs.

Maybe aquapulse should supply the spark and Aaron supply the plugs.

Shake hands, have a beer, and get on with saving the planet.

Thanks Ordo!

@Vickers - actually, there are some limited successes in proving that
if this ignition has enough joules in it per blast that it can indeed run
an engine on water. It is not good for the engine but it proves it can
be done but not practical in my opinion. This is why the interest in the
NH3 & N2O production from air, water and electricity, which is what
was done on the real water cars and with the proper fuel, the plasma
does not have to be as strong.

I believe it is not merely a novelty but to each their own. It demonstrates
a few profound concepts that most people won't agree with but the
tests reveal everything that I predicted would happen.

The Tungsten plug development or the "nascent plug" was not mine.
That was Rosco's team. I did however find ways around it in different
applications. However, on small discharges, that DO make a difference,
off the shelf non-resistor plugs will last long enough to make it worthwhile.

And if it is for all out racing applications, nobody is going to care if a plug
lasts for one race - anything to slice off the time just that one extra bit.

I cannot comment on anything new at the moment, however it was already
stated a couple times that I was willing to offer something that would
be inclusive of everyone, including Luc despite what has happened.

Arvind was the only one that expressed interest and the others decided
that a win-win was not a favorable course of action at that time at least.
Perhaps I am mistaken and they actually want to explore their options now,
but neither of them have indicated that to me. I haven't closed the final
door yet and am always open.

[Vickers]

Hmmm... Tough call. Greed and ego.
I mean the system does not actually work at all if trying to run a car engine on water alone.
But the novelty of that big spark will sell millions of units to teenage boy racers all over the globe.
Their conventional plugs wont last long hence the need for Aarons tungsten plug, but even tungsten don't last much longer.
So there will be a huge market for replacement plugs.

Maybe aquapulse should supply the spark and Aaron supply the plugs.

Shake hands, have a beer, and get on with saving the planet.

[Ordo_Ab_Chao]

Keep up da fight!!!

Hello Aaron,
I have been following this for a while...a LONG while

I am actually a returning member, my alt username was radiant_1, Humble_servant...and we we're in that skype channel hosted by David in D.C. (before you started this forum)

I was one of the first to replicate YOUR single capacitor version. I got great results with a 2500uf capacitor ...a little too great

Remember we had a disagreement on the mode of operation? Anyway......

I can vouch for the fact that Luc's circuit was definitely different, and that he was excited about your simplification.

I also want to say, don't even sweat the little stuff, I agree that since a patent has been filed for your invention, you should be on the damn thing. Screw all the people whining...you deserve recognition and compensation, since it is going to be used to make money under someone elses name....GET IT! LOL

[Aaron]

prototype requirement

I am sure since you are so well versed in Patent law, filing for a patent for a non existent device is illegal and is downright a fraud. (This is another reason why this patent application should die as I do not want to commit fraud!)

Tell me again why you want this patent application to be continued after knowing these facts!

I never claimed to be well versed in patent law. I have QUOTED IP attorneys,
the USPTO laws, articles from legal organization, etc... that spell out what
I have said in plain English.

And with the ionization detection circuit - just because there are other
similar circuits - doesn't mean anything. There are a LOT of patents
for water filters - doesn't mean there isn't room for other ideas on water
filters.

Let me quote you not just the law, but quotes from even more patent
attorneys to prove that you refuse to stop misleading people here with
your ridiculous concoctions - in regards to your "non-existent device":

First of all, the "device" is called a prototype for your information. And
you claim that a prototype is needed to have a valid patent claim. You
furthermore claim that not having an actual prototype is, let me quote
you: "illegal and is downright a fraud."

And you fail at yet another feeble attempt to make yourself look like
such a righteous angel that you don't want your hands dirtied by
being associated with a patent application that has no prototype.

So...

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"A prototype is not required to file for a patent, but I recommend them before filing." - Kafantaris Law Group

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DO YOU NEED A PROTOTYPE PRIOR TO FILING A PATENT APPLICATION? | NEUSTEL LAW OFFICES, LTD
Do You Need a Prototype to Patent an Invention?

"Many inventors wonder if they need a prototype prior to patenting an invention. The simple answer is "no'. A prototype is not required prior to filing a patent application with the U.S. Patent Office." Neustel Law Offices


(And please don't try to say a prototype is required after either LOL - they
can be helpful for examiners but are NOT required to grant a patent)


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The only requirement I can find that requires a prototype be built other
than some private purchase deal or whatever is for the Boy Scout
Inventing Merit Badge!

Preliminary Requirements for Inventing Merit Badge*|*Scouting News

And I quote: "7. Build a working prototype of the item you invented"

Perhaps you had a local Scout Troop confused with the USPTO.

[Aaron]

@Mark

Aaron

You still don't get it. You keep assuming that I'm against you when I'm not. I dont have any problem with someone protecting their investments.

I don't know who the rightful owner is. But lets just assume it IS you. Now someone is trying to patent your invention. Steal your invention and make big money off it. THEY are doing it for the money Aaron. This doesn't have to be about you. You can have all the best intentions and someone else can step in and make it about the money. You can analyze this situation anyway you want but it always ends up being about the money. Why are you so offended by this truth? Its just the way things are like it or not.

That makes perfect sense when you qualify your statements but when
stating them in a blanket way that it appeared, that seems to apply to me
too.

I apologize I misunderstood you.

Anyway, these two people who claim to be such champions for open
source have a lot of conflicts in their statements - I just hope everyone
can see them. First of all, for two people to be such protectors of
open source, why would they want to patent something to begin with.
And for two, when they dissolved the company that was the patents
assignee, why did they reassign it to themselves instead of simply letting
it lapse - and then someone says it was being redirected to them
for "safe keeping". lol

Claiming a patent is necessary to protect open source is the same thing
in the story 1984 when someone holds up X amount of fingers and tells
the person that they see a different number of fingers.

[Aaron]

forgive

I'm a big proponent of, "Forgive and forget". But in the business world, I'm not very optimistic about what measure of success this old motto really has. Ultimately this is Aaron's to decide

I was quite concerned that i had offended you (paranoid of this even) and offered

I am too but I believe the forget isn't a literal forget to have no memory
of it but just means to move on.

And with this wisdom, that I think it is wisdom...

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

The oldest root (that I can find) - and it isn't from the Bible.

"For Who deceives me once, God forgive him; if twice, God forgive him; but if thrice, God forgive him, but not me, because I could not beware.
[1611 Tarlton's Jests (1844) 11]"

Even though that is three times fooled point is, if it happens again, it
is my/our fault because we did not beware. We can only do this by
preserving in our memory so that we know who to avoid or what to do
differently next time. We can only learn by our mistakes if we remember
what happened of course.

I can forgive them but that doesn't mean there aren't things that still need
to be wrapped up.

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With your website, I was just glad someone was doing it. I had considered
it but you already got the ball rolling so no need and it apparently has been
a very welcome addition as far as I can see!

[Mark]

Aaron

You still don't get it. You keep assuming that I'm against you when I'm not. I dont have any problem with someone protecting their investments.

I don't know who the rightful owner is. But lets just assume it IS you. Now someone is trying to patent your invention. Steal your invention and make big money off it. THEY are doing it for the money Aaron. This doesn't have to be about you. You can have all the best intentions and someone else can step in and make it about the money. You can analyze this situation anyway you want but it always ends up being about the money. Why are you so offended by this truth? Its just the way things are like it or not.

[Aaron]

all about the money?

Exactly my point!! If I had my MONEY involved I would feel differently! Because its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! GET IT!

All about the money? ALL money and all other investments between
myself and my partners were ALL done without every having any concern
about having our project's items patented!

Why in the world would anyone with any kind of decency have a problem
with anyone being concerned that their investment money could all be
at risk because someone tries to steal credit for something that wasn't
theirs while trying to block anyone from doing anything commercial with
it, therefore flushing a good portion of the investment money down the
drain???

Your claim it is "ALL ABOUT THE MONEY" is complete and utter nonsense!

You say that in a way that implies that is all that anyone cares about here.
"ALL" about the money means that nobody cares about any integrity,
any principles, any ethics, any massive amounts of personal time
invested, etc... countless things you seem to think you just need to
throw out the windows without having any respect for them because you
just want to lump everything into one big greedy claim.

By inferring that everyone here has an issue because it is all about the
money is a slap in the face of everyone that is NOT concerned "ALL
ABOUT THE MONEY" but it is easier for you, who has never invested any
time or money into any of this to point the finger.