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  • dR-Green
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    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    I have never seen 'any' demonstration from epd on the 'TMT' but I would like to if you can find one especially if he made one that proves meyl wrong.
    Including transmission and reception at 57 mins:

    Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - A Lab Demonstration - YouTube

    Receiving radio signal through a flat spiral coil connected to a fire hydrant at the beginning:

    The Tesla-Marconi Wireless System - A Guided Tour - YouTube

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  • dR-Green
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    Part 2

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    So I agree 'in part', that part being that the TMT can operate by itself with things close by, however as you can see from meyls experiments that when he turns on the receiver it completely pulls down the transmitter, hence a coupling effect that is impossible to get in a standard broadcast situation, because in a standard broadcast situation you can have a trillion antennas receiving the signal with no pull down of the transmitter. Please explain How you made your conclusions.
    That's exactly what you don't want. That's probably because he's connecting his coils directly without an adequate amount of grounding by default, so he's changing the tuning of his transmitter when he connects his receiver. By that I mean, the transmitter should be tuned with some constant base reference. You don't want the resonant frequency changing when someone adds a load. Hence if it's connected to the earth or a big capacitance that pulls the frequency down to what I'll call "natural", then connecting the relatively tiny capacitance of the receiver won't have any effect on the tuning of the transmitter. That's why one should use a ground plane and why I use the bucket of soil, it more accurately simulates a fixed reference grounding than having floating resonant frequencies which always vary depending on what you happen to have connected at the time. And to add to that, if you're building an optimised transmitter OR receiver, you don't want one interfering with the other because you won't have a clue what's going on in either one. When the transmitter properly transmits, then you can connect a receiver and work on that part to make it receive properly. But then that's the whole point of the CRI, the coil is the same. You build it for x frequency, tune it to x frequency, then it will transmit or receive at x frequency. Give or take the differences your supply/load circuit has on the tuning. Whether or not one can light a 100w bulb remains to be seen because a radio antenna is designed for the exact opposite purpose, but some portion of the energy must be sent through the earth regardless due to the way 1/4 wave resonance works, and they're transmitting 50-200kW if not more, so it's an interesting thing to find out.

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    Have you taken your light bulbs a mile away? I need a plethora of full explanations to supprt what you are saying so I hope you have the tenacity to respond to all these questions/points I am making without skipping any, I have no problem what so ever with blunt, I am the king of blunt
    Not yet, but it will get done at some point. I'm going to have to bury a lot of copper pipes in the garden to be able to do that, as well as devise a high power amplifier. The 1860 kc CSTMT designs are the most popular so maybe one day we can get an experimental network started for doing all kinds of experiments in a variety of countries.

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  • dR-Green
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    Part 1

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    First that appears to be an artists conceptual drawing and interpretation of what tesla is doing not something tesla would have drawn?
    I don't think Tesla personally drew that image, but it's from an article which he wrote.

    Originally posted by Nikola Tesla
    Imagine the earth to be a bag of rubber filled with water, a small quantity of which is periodically forced in and out of the same by means of a reciprocating pump, as illustrated. If the strokes of the latter are effected in intervals of more than one hour and forty-eight minutes, sufficient for the transmission of the impulse thru the whole mass, the entire bag will expand and contract and corresponding movements will be imparted to pressure gauges or movable pistons with the same intensity, irrespective of distance. By working the pump faster, shorter waves will be produced which, on reaching the opposite end of the bag, may be reflected and give rise to stationary nodes and loops, but in any case, the fluid being incompressible, its enclosure perfectly elastic, and the frequency of oscillations not very high, the energy will be economically transmitted and very little power consumed so long as no work is done in the receivers. This is a crude but correct representation of my wireless system in which, however, I resort to various refinements. Thus, for instance, the pump is made part of a resonant system of great inertia, enormously magnifying the force of the imprest impulses. The receiving devices are similarly conditioned and in this manner the amount of energy collected in them vastly increased.

    The Hertz wave system is in many respects the very opposite of this. To explain it by analogy, the piston of the pump is assumed to vibrate to and fro at a terrific rate and the orifice thru which the fluid passes in and out of the cylinder is reduced to a small hole. There is scarcely any movement of the fluid and almost the whole work performed results in the production of radiant heat, of which an infinitesimal part is recovered in a remote locality. However incredible, it is true that the minds of some of the ablest experts have been from the beginning, and still are, obsessed by this monstrous idea, and so it comes that the true wireless art, to which I laid the foundation in 1893, has been retarded in its development for twenty years.
    Famous Scientific Illusions | Tesla Universe

    This is also why Meyl's coils work "inside shielding" as he calls it, but that's simply because the shielding is totally irrelevant and it's not doing anything, the energy isn't even trying to go that way. Like wearing sunscreen at night.

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post

    This image is from the so-called "Rare Notes". Ernst has covered this more in the past and he's actively experimenting with such things in his impressive top secret facility ( TheMage00000 - YouTube ). Basically it shows a 3rd coil at the transmitter site with a discharge at the top terminal of the transmitter in to it like a giant spark gap. He's using it to try to maximise the activity on the ground terminal/in the ground. That 3rd coil isn't relevant to the basic working principle or theory, it's just to illustrate a certain possible configuration when looking for methods to improve upon the basic effect, because as he writes he had funding issues so had to come up with ideas to somehow get the lower frequencies he wanted without it being massive and costing millions.

    Rare notes from Tesla on Wardenclyffe | Tesla Universe

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    Arent both the above single wire transmission?

    That looks like a single wire receiving coil to me?
    Agreed.

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    What do you believe is misinformation from meyl? That the 2 coils can operate together in a long distance coupled fashion?
    It's not that they "can't", they must do with the way he's using them. But that's only half the story. He's reflecting energy back and froth between the two terminals on the top of each coil via the coils, essentially. The transmitter is supposed to work like a 1/4 wave resonator should do independently, and that's it. He should be using some sort of ground plane, and the ground plane should be big enough that connecting the receiver doesn't have any effect on the (tuning of the) transmitter at all. Then the receiver works like an independent 1/4 wave resonator from the oscillations coming in to it via the earth/ground plane connection. The properties of the earth/ground plane should be so big that 1/4 wave resonance and tuning of each individual coil is maintained and nothing becomes two separated halves of one, or some harmonic frequency or such.

    It's like you're jumping up and down in a swimming pool, and you're causing waves which propagate along the length of the pool, reflect off the far end and come back to you. Then someone drops a rubber duck into the water at the far end of the pool. The rubber duck starts to move up and down on the waves that you created on the other end. The duck isn't a requirement of a waving pool, it's just oscillating in unison with the waves you create. So in this way it's easy to see how a SINGLE TERMINAL/single wire transmission system works, why any coil can be "shielded" with a Faraday cage or isolated "in space" as long as it's connected (or coupled) to the earth so the oscillations can enter, and why Tesla used a hydraulic hand pump analogy, because it describes perfectly what's happening. There's no need for any of Meyl's theories on it, coupling through the air doesn't even enter one's mind because it's clear that's not what's happening.

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    Distance should not matter only conductivity. How does distance matter?
    I don't know, there's a lot to be experimented with in that area. It's a lot more problematic than the stuff that's above ground because there's no easy way to put a lot of metal underground. What I can say is when using two diodes as an AV plug, an LED can be lit from lightly touching the "input" wire on the earth near the earth terminal of the transmitter, and the power diminishes with distance. When using a receiver coil, the received power can be varied through adjusting the depth of a copper pipe that's being used as the receiver ground terminal. And the same applies when holding a bulb in the bucket of soil. Depth is very important and the power varies significantly even if the distance remains the same.

    As for Meyl, in one breath he says the energy is going from one coil to another through the wire, and then he puts a metal box in between them and proclaims "the energy can't be shielded". Well no, he just said so himself, the energy is going through the wire. Doesn't take a genius to then figure out why "it can't be shielded" with a piece of metal between them He contradicts himself right there and apparently doesn't even notice, or at least doesn't remind everyone of the importance of the wire in that situation. He's promoting the space between the coils as having significance, when it doesn't. It's all about the wire which he forgot about in the space of 30 seconds.

    He also seems oblivious to the effect that putting his hand near the capacitance terminal of the coil would have on the tuning. He calls putting his hand near it "shielding" because the output of the LED diminishes when he puts his hand there. I call it "detuning", because that's exactly what it is. My coil does it when I walk within 2 metres. I can also stand between the transmitter and receiver and nothing happens at all, because I'm not close enough to affect the tuning of either one, and the energy is going through the wire that I have connecting them, so my standing there doesn't make any difference. Same experiment, different results - because I'm aware that holding my hand 10cm away from the coil is obviously going to have an effect, as are many others who have ever built a Tesla coil. So why someone as intelligent as Meyl doesn't realise or acknowledge this basic fact is anyone's guess. What's the reason for claiming that he's shielding the transmission?

    He just seems to have this idea that the air/space plays a role, so he's coming up with explanations that fit inside that even at the cost of being full of easily identifiable contradictions. Maybe he's correct within a certain context, but as I've said before, if Meyl wants to describe what Meyl does, then good for him. But if Meyl is describing what Tesla did, then he's totally wrong and he's spreading false information.

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    What did tesla mean by 'with a self-inducting' coil? What kind of coil is that?
    Where was that written? It might depend on context but usually it just means a normal inductor/coil, or maybe one with relatively high inductance.

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    all I see this quote referring to is wireless not receiverless? How did you derive receiverless? I have no issues with your saying it works without a receiver, but then I can get flourescents to light up near a cb stick antenna too. Nothing special.
    It's basically just high frequency AC. The difference is this isn't about energising gas in an RF field, this is passing current through a filament and causing it to heat up. The receiverless works because the earth becomes "energised", like the waves in the swimming pool above. If you connect certain loads that don't need tuning then energy will flow through it. That's illustrated by the diagram talking about plugging bulbs directly into the earth, and the same experiment which you probably know about that Tesla is said to have done. It certainly works with a bucket of soil, and the soil "radiates" enough energy to light a neon bulb and fluorescents. I would expect the exact same effect happens with the earth itself when more power is used because I've been able to light LEDs and hear my own transmission through a crystal earpiece in my garden.

    Probably the most curious thing of all is why should the energy want to flow from "ground" to an elevated piece of metal, or human body, and do work in the process, when it seems so much easier to just not do any of it.

    Can you see what's happening at 7:00 in my video clearly enough? The energy is going from the ground end of the coil to a 20cm length of 6mm diameter stainless steel rod pushed in the plastic bucket of soil. A stainless steel bowl is placed next to the bucket and is connected to one terminal of a bulb, and the other terminal is connected to a larger stainless steel bowl. Energy flows from the soil, couples with the small bowl, for some reason wants to also flow to the bigger bowl, so much so that it goes through the resistance of the filament causing it to heat up and produce light. Adding bigger pieces of metal on the far end of the filament will cause even more energy to flow through and light even brighter. Meanwhile, the bucket of soil itself is resting on a concrete floor at ground level and is most likely coupling to the earth also, so not optimal conditions for doing an isolated experiment.

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  • Buddhafollower
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    In this world the Truth never belonged to the mainstream. Only few courageous people who dared to confront the world found the Truth. The mob is easily indoctrinated and manipulated by the leaders. I rely not on ''the scientific community'' for it is full of mad man and mad women.

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  • Buddhafollower
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    The propagation of light through the Cosmic Aether is instantaneous. Light has no speed.
    Indeed, Dr.Tesla said that through an inductor which has an inductance and a natural capacitance between the turns such as a flat spiral transformer, the current travels at a certain speed. This speed is given by a mathematical law. The speed will depend on certain things in the circuit, such as inductance and natural capacitance. This is the speed of a Transverse Electro-Magnetic current. This type of electric current indeed has a speed. On the other hand, the Longitudinal Magneto-Dielectric current propagates instantaneously, meaning the constant 186,000 miles/second has nothing to do with this. Einstein of course said nothing about such an electric current and therefore it is not accepted by the clergy with stone brains.
    '' Meyl teaches at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen and has written peer reviewed papers'' --- so not only that he is deluding himself, now others just like him are working at the same delusion. How can blind people see light? At least he brought me some benefits by showing the working patent of Dr.Tesla, the true genius. I remember that i saw one video of Mayl on YT platform and he talked about some particles like ''neutrinos'' and some sub atomic particles which are all garbage and on this nowadays ''science'' relies upon. Meyl's colleagues go on ranting about how the Aether is an illusion and ''pseudoscience'' and so on. How can someone believe such things? Have you even heard about the book ''The manufacture and selling of saint Einstein''?? You give me your e-mail address and i send this book to you.

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  • Kokomoj0
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    Originally posted by Buddhafollower View Post
    ''Regardless of what people think of Meyl he is a professor and does have a doctorate and is a teacher with academic credits'' ---- aaaaa, so according to you, Meyl who is deluding himself and others too, has the right to teach others and Dr.Dollard who is a real scientist cannot. That's what you want to tell me. Right?
    But no one here knows that to be true until we are 'shown' it to be true. For all we know you simply hate meyl and wish to discredit him? Meyl teaches at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen and has written peer reviewed papers, which university does epd teach at and what does he teach that has been peer reviewed? Please give me something to hang my hat on here, anything?


    Uhg, I thought I was bad with the edits

    Originally posted by Buddhafollower View Post
    At the other, if one has a power stage, from the transmitter to the receiver, electrical energy goes through the Aether in the form of a perturbation of longitudinal nature with instantaneous propagation. This small argument has a lot of weight and power in the scientific world. But nowadays ''scientists'' are a little more than apes with stone brains. Too bad, too bad. I'am really sorry.
    Nothing known to man propagates 'instantaneously', that is impossible as far as we know.

    Meyl has agreed with tesla however that the scalar wave is 1.5 times faster then the speed of light.


    Originally posted by Buddhafollower View Post
    I wish it was that simple...
    ''a massive generator and a spark gap''... are you really serious?? Do you even know that you need a SPECIFIC frequency for TMT or tthe flat spiral transformers? Do you understand that? What can I do with a spark gap? Unless the spark gap is one specifically designed so that it will have a rotating part with segments and it will charge and discharge a capacitor. The frequency produced will be a function of inductance in centimeters of the primary coil, capacitance of the capacitor, number of segments of the
    rotating spark gap, the speed of the electric motor. That is one of Dr.Tesla's patents, a mechanical oscillator. There are even equations that can be used to create such an oscillator and the discharging circuit. The frequency produced is very specific, vary accurate, needless to say that such an oscillator is best when you want to transmit electricity through the ground to different distant locations.
    Mr. Eric Paul Dollard is more than a simple electrical engineer. He is the brightest man i have seen since Dr.Tesla and Dr. Steinmetz.
    What i said earlier is of great importance to me. Even someone who holds so many wrong views like Konstantin Meyl, demonstrated that using a power amplifier and a signal generator, one can transmit through the Aether electrical energy , without the use of a single wire. Think about an installation such as the ''Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy'' of Dr.Tesla, attaching a power stage of millions of watts, what we will be able to do. Power up space ships and entire cities with energy and the distribution system will be 100% immaterial. The Aether is immaterial.
    No one to date has pointed out much less actually 'shown' Meyl to be wrong in anything. Where do you get that from?

    Meyl has 'demonstrated' and as far as I am concerned 'proven' by demonstration the transmission of power using a TMT experimentally so I am unable to determine 'exactly' what it is you think he is doing wrong? I proposed specific questions to Dr Green to that effect.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3dCRmwfZss

    Above please refer to the lecture Meyl gave along with the accompanying demonstration. I have never seen 'any' demonstration from epd on the 'TMT' but I would like to if you can find one especially if he made one that proves meyl wrong. If you really want to get my attention maybe you can get epd to demonstrate for us how to light a 100 watt incandescent bulb far field with a crystal radio and standard resonating rod broadcast radio station as the source?

    You have not responded to the questions I asked Dr Green here in post 71 http://www.energeticforum.com/309380-post71.html pertaining to where Dr Green believes meyl is wrong, so it seems you may be talking about something completely different?
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  • Buddhafollower
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    ''Regardless of what people think of Meyl he is a professor and does have a doctorate and is a teacher with academic credits'' ---- aaaaa, so according to you, Meyl who is deluding himself and others too, has the right to teach others and Dr.Dollard who is a real scientist cannot. That's what you want to tell me. Right?

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  • Buddhafollower
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    I wish it was that simple...
    ''a massive generator and a spark gap''... are you really serious?? Do you even know that you need a SPECIFIC frequency for TMT or tthe flat spiral transformers? Do you understand that? What can I do with a spark gap? Unless the spark gap is one specifically designed so that it will have a rotating part with segments and it will charge and discharge a capacitor. The frequency produced will be a function of inductance in centimeters of the primary coil, capacitance of the capacitor, number of segments of the
    rotating spark gap, the speed of the electric motor. That is one of Dr.Tesla's patents, a mechanical oscillator. There are even equations that can be used to create such an oscillator and the discharging circuit. The frequency produced is very specific, vary accurate, needless to say that such an oscillator is best when you want to transmit electricity through the ground to different distant locations.
    Mr. Eric Paul Dollard is more than a simple electrical engineer. He is the brightest man i have seen since Dr.Tesla and Dr. Steinmetz.
    What i said earlier is of great importance to me. Even someone who holds so many wrong views like Konstantin Meyl, demonstrated that using a power amplifier and a signal generator, one can transmit through the Aether electrical energy , without the use of a single wire. Think about an installation such as the ''Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy'' of Dr.Tesla, attaching a power stage of millions of watts, what we will be able to do. Power up space ships and entire cities with energy and the distribution system will be 100% immaterial. The Aether is immaterial. The only problem is that we don't have a power stage of millions of watts yet... and i profoundly doubt that the Government of USA will just stay with it's hands in it's pockets and let us play with such technologies. Hell, the death of John Bedini and his brother might have been an assassination.
    Experiments have to be made, that's for sure. A flat spiral trafo. has two frequencies of resonance. At one of them, electricity goes through a wire or ground. At the other, if one has a power stage, from the transmitter to the receiver, electrical energy goes through the Aether in the form of a perturbation of longitudinal nature with instantaneous propagation. This small argument has a lot of weight and power in the scientific world. But nowadays ''scientists'' are a little more than apes with stone brains. Too bad, too bad. I'am really sorry.
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  • Kokomoj0
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    Originally posted by Buddhafollower View Post
    In truth now, the flat spiral transformers are very good when you put a HF power amplifier and a signal generator. Then you go full wireless. The bigger the power stage, the better.
    Nowadays we have not the technology to create massive power stages in the range of many millions of watts for those types of transformers. Humanity has a very poor education and an even poorer understanding of science. Not in vain prof. Dr. Dollard spent 10 years on the streets, homeless.
    The HF transformer with resonator which many beliieve to be the Magnifying Transmitter (and which is not) i think works just like i said above: a frequency generator followed by a voltage amplifier, followed by a power amplifier of many megawatts. A power amplifier that can output many thousands of volts at hundreds of amps current and a proper waveform, probably a square wave will be the best. Then and only then we will be able to supply with electricity even a plane or, better, a spaceship or reasonable size, when the flying vehicle will have a receiver on board. Dr. Dollard should immediately look into this and pour his mathematical understanding into such a project.
    The TMT does not operate on the principle of a standard transformer in so far as transmission is concerned, but it does in so far as raising the voltage levels of the input, and if you are referring to epd, he is neither a professor nor does he have any kind of doctorate degree that I am aware of. Regardless of what people think of Meyl he is a professor and does have a doctorate and is a teacher with academic credits.

    (Prof. Dr.-Ing Konstantin Meyl teaches the subjects power electronics and alternative energy technology at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen. The books with the title Potentialwirbel volume 1 (1990) and volume 2 (1992) have been awarded in 1994 with the technology price of the German society of EMV technology) Meyl - Scalarwave-Technology - The international website of www.k-meyl.de

    Tesla did not have modern amplifiers to work with and there is none in his design. The 'Magnifying transmitter' is teslas description of the operation of his invention. A modern amplifier is not required, all you need for massive power is a massive generator and a spark gap, in fact a modern amplifier cant begin to approach the power levels of a generator and spark gap. Are you musing?
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  • Buddhafollower
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    In truth now, the flat spiral transformers are very good when you put a HF power amplifier and a signal generator. Then you go full wireless. The bigger the power stage, the better.
    Nowadays we have not the technology to create massive power stages in the range of many millions of watts for those types of transformers. Humanity has a very poor education and an even poorer understanding of science. Not in vain prof. Dr. Dollard spent 10 years on the streets, homeless.
    The HF transformer with resonator which many beliieve to be the Magnifying Transmitter (and which is not) i think works just like i said above: a frequency generator followed by a voltage amplifier, followed by a power amplifier of many megawatts. A power amplifier that can output many thousands of volts at hundreds of amps current and a proper waveform, probably a square wave will be the best. Then and only then we will be able to supply with electricity even a plane or, better, a spaceship or reasonable size, when the flying vehicle will have a receiver on board. Dr. Dollard should immediately look into this and pour his mathematical understanding into such a project.
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  • Kokomoj0
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    Originally posted by Buddhafollower View Post
    Good day,
    What i really don't understand is why do people use such high frequencies (example: 1860K cycles/second, 560kcycles/s etc.) when Dr.Tesla said very clearly that TMT works at frequencies from few to thousands of hertz. Actually, i think he said that the MT works at frequencies below 20KHz. I don't think that we nowadays have the true schematic diagram of the MT as Dr.Tesla intended it to be. What we have is the ''Apparatus for transmitting electrical energy'' patent No.1,119,732. That's all we have and this installation naturally won't work at frequencies below 20kHz. Even the way it is drawn shows that the frequency will be in the range of tens of kHz to few hundreds of kHz judging by the ratio of the resonator. But that installation is not the Magnifying Transmitter. It is yet another device for the transmission of electricity through the ground. Very useful indeed.
    If you wanted to build one for massive power transfer you most likely would want to follow tesla in frequency and size etc. Most people are struggling with proof of concept and trying to comprehend what tesla did and how it works. For experimenters its much easier to get good results cheaply using higher freqs because you can make smaller less costly builds and get nearly identical results. At least the high current goes through the ground.

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  • Buddhafollower
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    Good day,
    What i really don't understand is why do people use such high frequencies (example: 1860K cycles/second, 560kcycles/s etc.) when Dr.Tesla said very clearly that TMT works at frequencies from few to thousands of hertz. Actually, i think he said that the MT works at frequencies below 20KHz. I don't think that we nowadays have the true schematic diagram of the MT as Dr.Tesla intended it to be. What we have is the ''Apparatus for transmitting electrical energy'' patent No.1,119,732. That's all we have and this installation naturally won't work at frequencies below 20kHz. Even the way it is drawn shows that the frequency will be in the range of tens of kHz to few hundreds of kHz judging by the ratio of the resonator. But that installation is not the Magnifying Transmitter. It is yet another device for the transmission of electricity through the ground. Very useful indeed.
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  • Kokomoj0
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    Originally posted by dR-Green View Post
    Well, there's no polite way to say this so I'll just cut to the chase - Konstantin Meyl is absolutely wrong. A transmitter and receiver is not two halves.

    Tesla gives one description, Meyl gives another. It works like Tesla says it works, no more pondering necessary. That is absolutely obvious to anyone who uses it, there's no possibility of coming to false conclusions unless one is literally blind to the truth of what's right in front of their eyes. Throw the Meyl books in the trash where they belong, he's only causing people to be confused.

    How does Tesla's hand pump analogy to describe the operation of his own system fit with the false information that Meyl is spreading?



    The information is modulated power.



    It's designed for 1/4 wave resonance, period. The transmitter is the 1/4 wave resonator. A receiver is a separate 1/4 wave resonator. Did everyone forget that Tesla's Colorado Springs experiments consisted of a 1/4 wave TRANSMITTER? Where was the receiver to make up the other half of the circuit? Where was the other half of Wardenclyffe? You don't need a receiver to make the transmitter transmit, it works independently. You don't even need a resonant receiver to receive said energy near the earth terminal of the transmitter, you can plug your diodes directly into the earth and the earphone works.

    The amount of power received is not a matter of the amount of space or air or distance between the transmitter and the load. For those who don't listen to Meyl, it's no surprise at all that what determines the amount of power received is ONLY the distance between the GROUND TERMINAL of the transmitter and the load. The load doesn't care how far away the transmitter is in space, it only cares about the ground terminal.

    It's not one half of a complete circuit. It already IS a complete circuit. It's a single wire transmission system. The transmitter and receiver are merely transformers. What is the purpose of transformers in the existing power distribution network? ...
    Ok lets clear some of these things up then.


    First that appears to be an artists conceptual drawing and interpretation of what tesla is doing not something tesla would have drawn?

    Would you explain what we are looking at here and its operation and if it differs how it differs and how it fits into the one transmitter no receiver required for the whole world concept:




    Arent both the above single wire transmission?

    That looks like a single wire receiving coil to me?

    it's no surprise at all that what determines the amount of power received is ONLY the distance between the GROUND TERMINAL of the transmitter and the load.
    Distance should not matter only conductivity. How does distance matter?

    What do you believe is wrong with meyls explanation (and why) compared to teslas?

    Originally posted by Prof. Dr-lng. Konstantin Meyl


    2.5 Experimental setup


    To be able to observe possible feedback, the point of resonance must be found again first. This is adjusted, if on the receiver the major peak can be observed and the LED's shine most brightly. The experimental setup is in the first instance the same (like 1.5: The waveform generator is attached on one side over two shorting plugs to the couple coil. This tesla coil functions as transmitter. The cable connection is plugged at the outside end of both tesla coils and the waveform generator is attached to the wall power supply). After this is done the amplitude controller has to be fully untwisted (in the clockwise direction up to the limit stop) and the frequency is slowly adjusted with the frequency controller and the light emitting diodes at the receiver are thereby observed. If the major peak should not be able to be determined clearly, it is recommended to reduce the voltage with the amplitude controller. Thus the major peak appears no longer so bright, but can be distinguished clearly from the auxiliary peaks.

    2.6 Carrying out the experiment

    After finding the major peak, the amplitude controller is turned back so far that the light emitting diodes on the transmitter side do not shine any longer, while the light emitting diodes on the receiver side still shine. If the cable connection is carefully unplugged, the light emitting diodes installed onto the transmitter side shine again. The LED's, installed on the receiver side, extinguish.

    2.7 Interpretation of experiment results

    The same effect arises, if the frequency at the waveform generator is adjusted. In this case the receivers LED's go out, while the LED's at the transmitter light up, because the resonance frequency is left and therefore no more power arrives at the receiver.

    The light emitting diodes on the transmitter side give information about the power taken off from any receivers. If the brightness changes if the ground wire is connected from the transmitter to a heating element, it can be examined whether unwanted receivers possibly exist. For example if the brightness decreases, if the experimenter touches the ground wire of the transmitter, he is now the receiver.

    2.8 Conclusion

    There is a feedback from the receiver to the transmitter, as can be observed here. With the transmission of radio waves no such feedback should be determined. Only with resonance between transmitter and receiver, scalar waves are developed. If the transmitter is unplugged or the generator frequency changes and leaves so the conditions of resonance, no more energy is transferred.

    2.9 Consequences

    Numerous interhuman effects are based on the principle shown in the feedback from the receiver to the transmitter. They are in this way for the first time physically modelled. At the same time it becomes clear that the as esoteric classified coherences are nothing else than scalar wave effects. These effects are wrongfully designated as para-science, because scalar waves are still unknown to the scientific world. The feedback shown in the experiment proves the existence of scalar waves!

    https://my.ilstu.edu/~lmiones/Summer...%202003%5D.pdf

    What do you believe is misinformation from meyl? That the 2 coils can operate together in a long distance coupled fashion?

    Teslas hand pump analogy is synonymous with the huge circulating currents that can be built up in a tank circuit, and the earth is in his design is part of a gargantuan tank circuit which can build up gargantuan currents.

    What did tesla mean by 'with a self-inducting' coil? What kind of coil is that?

    Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.
    all I see this quote referring to is wireless not receiverless? How did you derive receiverless? I have no issues with your saying it works without a receiver, but then I can get flourescents to light up near a cb stick antenna too. Nothing special.

    So I agree 'in part', that part being that the TMT can operate by itself with things close by, however as you can see from meyls experiments that when he turns on the receiver it completely pulls down the transmitter, hence a coupling effect that is impossible to get in a standard broadcast situation, because in a standard broadcast situation you can have a trillion antennas receiving the signal with no pull down of the transmitter. Please explain How you made your conclusions.

    Have you taken your light bulbs a mile away? I need a plethora of full explanations to supprt what you are saying so I hope you have the tenacity to respond to all these questions/points I am making without skipping any, I have no problem what so ever with blunt, I am the king of blunt
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    Bulb In Water - Mini Tesla "Test Coil" - YouTube

    Tesla Magnifying Transmitter - Colorado Springs Scale Model 1860 kc - Single Wire & Wireless Light - YouTube

    Also note what happens at 3:15

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    Well, there's no polite way to say this so I'll just cut to the chase - Konstantin Meyl is absolutely wrong. A transmitter and receiver is not two halves.

    Tesla gives one description, Meyl gives another. It works like Tesla says it works, no more pondering necessary. That is absolutely obvious to anyone who uses it, there's no possibility of coming to false conclusions unless one is literally blind to the truth of what's right in front of their eyes. Throw the Meyl books in the trash where they belong, he's only causing people to be confused.

    How does Tesla's hand pump analogy to describe the operation of his own system fit with the false information that Meyl is spreading?



    The information is modulated power.

    Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
    Teslas transmitter was not intended or designed to 'radiate' an infinitely 'expanding' wave front where the output disperses decreasing by the square of the distance, it was designed to resonate between the 2 halves which allows for nearly complete power transfer between them with very minor losses.
    It's designed for 1/4 wave resonance, period. The transmitter is the 1/4 wave resonator. A receiver is a separate 1/4 wave resonator. Did everyone forget that Tesla's Colorado Springs experiments consisted of a 1/4 wave TRANSMITTER? Where was the receiver to make up the other half of the circuit? Where was the other half of Wardenclyffe? You don't need a receiver to make the transmitter transmit, it works independently. You don't even need a resonant receiver to receive said energy near the earth terminal of the transmitter, you can plug your diodes directly into the earth and the earphone works.

    The amount of power received is not a matter of the amount of space or air or distance between the transmitter and the load. For those who don't listen to Meyl, it's no surprise at all that what determines the amount of power received is ONLY the distance between the GROUND TERMINAL of the transmitter and the load. The load doesn't care how far away the transmitter is in space, it only cares about the ground terminal.

    It's not one half of a complete circuit. It already IS a complete circuit. It's a single wire transmission system. The transmitter and receiver are merely transformers. What is the purpose of transformers in the existing power distribution network? ...

    Originally posted by Nikola Tesla
    This mode of conveying electrical energy to a distance is not 'wireless' in the popular sense, but a transmission through a conductor, and one which is incomparably more perfect than any artificial one. All impediments of conduction arise from confinement of the electric and magnetic fluxes to narrow channels. The globe is free of such cramping and hinderment. It is an ideal conductor because of its immensity, isolation in space, and geometrical form. Its singleness is only an apparent limitation, for by impressing upon it numerous non-interfering vibrations, the flow of energy may be directed through any number of paths which, though bodily connected, are yet perfectly distinct and separate like ever so many cables. Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.
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