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  • The research on meta-materials fits in this vein. manipulating the near field for better resolution. silver nanotubes may make it possible to 'see' magnetic fields in the infrared range.

    There's an interesting article by John Pendry on manipulation of the near field with meta-materials. excerpt:

    "A loop of wire has a magnetic response to an external magnetic
    field because of the currents induced. Unfortunately the phase of the
    currents is such that only a diamagnetic response is seen. To create
    the more interesting responses which produce negative values of m
    we must change the phase of the induced current which we do by
    arranging that the conductors are part of a resonant system. One of
    the first such systems devised [5] was the so called ‘Swiss roll’
    structure (or ‘jelly roll’ depending on which side of the Atlantic you
    do your cookery). Figure 4 shows a schematic of this magnetic
    metamaterial which consists of an insulated metal sheet wound
    around a cylinder. The inductance of the coil and the capacitance
    between the inner and outer turns produce a resonance so that the
    response to a magnetic field is strongly paramagnetic just below the
    resonant frequency, m >> 0 , and above the resonant frequency
    m << 0 . On resonance the permeability is purely imaginary taking a
    large positive value dictated by the losses in the system, and the
    rolls behave like magnetic wires."

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    • Originally posted by madhatter View Post
      There's an interesting article by John Pendry on manipulation of the near field with meta-materials.
      http://www.cmth.ph.ic.ac.uk/photonic...OPNarticle.pdf

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      • Originally posted by lamare View Post
        To boldly go where no man has gone before


        To boldly go where ONE man has gone before

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        • here is why I laugh at the tpu tards.




          They have no idea what that means or how it applies.

          great find hatter

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          • Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
            here is why I laugh at the tpu tards.




            They have no idea what that means or how it applies.

            great find hatter
            The superposition of two counter rotating signals within a circular waveguide? Even more interesting when the feed points are 1/4 wavelength appart, then you cancel all circulation in one direction, and double it in the other. You have a unidirectional propagation, a "one way" street.

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            • Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post

              Meyl claims to have a split capacitor/coil internally impedance matched with one wire (the earth) between the coils and 2 spheres to conduct capacitively the distance between them being the dielectric completing the circuit. This makes perfect sense to me and I can conceptualize this working just fine.
              Yes that works to transfer energy. The way I see it - If the coils are wound the
              same way when the transmitter is positive the receiver is negative so if the
              receiver is wound opposite like Meyl's when the transmitter is positive the
              receiver is also positive. If they are close that makes a difference.

              Then there is the "electrical length" between them. I think positioning the
              receiver 1/4 WL (or an odd multiple of 1/4 WL) from the node at the base of
              the transmitter will help when using identical/mirror transformers. I imagine
              then if the terminal capacitances both have the same reference the effect
              would be to force "activity" on the receiver. Even if they were on opposite
              sides of the Earth. The effect of a stationary wave would be obvious I think.

              What I don't understand is why the basic principal is not explained a bit better
              so the common man can at least know what is trying to be done. And what it
              is you are doing if you don't want to build anything. I've read you say that
              you want to prove more power out than in, but where does Tesla say this.

              You also say that Meyl claims more out than in. But more what ? What is the
              value and the property of the claim of Meyl's more out than in claim ?

              ie. Is it say 10 "watts" more out than in or is it 10 "volts" more at the receiver
              than the transmitter has applied to it ? If you think that the more "power" out
              than in situation is possible with a Meyl system then why not show us ?
              Should be a piece of cake for you. That's practical science.

              Meyl's system is not Earth connected at all as far as I can tell which seriously limits
              the practicality of using very high voltages because of the connecting wire
              insulation. With low voltage its fine and dandy but try it with a 50 Kv
              transformer and see what happens, you'll need very good wire for the
              connection between the coils or suspend it.

              All in all I don't see any Laymans explanation of a theory of operation. I think
              it would help to ensure people were thinking along the same lines and for the
              purpose of visualizing it.

              Cheers

              PS. If a connecting wire is used that is longer than 1 x 1/4 wavelength then I
              think if the insulation on the wire is not good enough it will break through at
              the first maximum voltage "nodal" point on the wire after the transmitter.

              Kokomo you could start a different thread for this Meyl stuff.

              ..
              Last edited by Farmhand; 04-07-2012, 12:25 AM.

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              • Simple Logic or Simple Thinking

                Why is it so preposterous to imagine that there may be a component of our universe that can exceed the speed of light? ... Now there are many of you here that far exceed my understandings of these discussions and I have a lot of catching up to do .. However even the simplest of minds can grasp the idea that when something travels in a straight line (or much in a much straighter line) that it would out run anything traveling in curves, waves, zig zags. spirals, etc... I reflect back to my childhood when I watched the Never Ending Story ....Yeah I know laugh it up ... but that movie planted an interesting idea in my mind.... that has never left....they stated that the speed of Darkness (the Nothing) moved faster than light..... Well is that really so ridiculous??? Does darkness (absence of light) ...or the Nothing have to travel in waves???? As a kid it made sense ....then they tried to teach this CRaZy out of me..... Well here I am many years later scratching my head, reading forums that point to this possibility (and OOoo I guess all the scientist that have been breaking C...well that doesn't count for much either)
                I have learned a great deal from this forum and its posters and Eric is offering his lifetime of pondering and studying this great subject.... so thanks ....
                kokomojo....while your post have certainly have been a little ...Trollish .. Its always good to have both sides in a discussion .... You seem to have a deep grasp on many of the important issues ...Yet it appears you are happy and content with the science and math the way it exist .... I wonder what your really looking for in this forum....You could be an asset to helping out ... why not try that approach .... and if there is something so wrong with all this Theory and Thinking ... well then Why don't you disprove what you can ....either way you would be helping in the overall understanding.
                Last edited by nw7w7; 04-07-2012, 12:50 AM.

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                • Originally posted by nw7w7 View Post
                  Why is it so preposterous to imagine that there may be a component of our universe that can exceed the speed of light? ... Now there are many of you here that far exceed my understandings of these discussions and I have a lot of catching up to do .. However even the simplest of minds can grasp the idea that when something travels in a straight line (or much in a much straighter line) that it would out run anything traveling in curves, waves, zig zags. spirals, etc... I reflect back to my childhood when I watched the Never Ending Story ....Yeah I know laugh it up ... but that movie planted an interesting idea in my mind.... that has never left....they stated that the speed of Darkness (the Nothing) moved faster than light..... Well is that really so ridiculous??? Does darkness (absence of light) ...or the Nothing have to travel in waves???? As a kid it made sense ....then they tried to teach this CRaZy out of me..... Well here I am many years later scratching my head, reading forums that point to this possibility (and OOoo I guess all the scientist that have been breaking C...well that doesn't count for much either)
                  I have learned a great deal from this forum and its posters and Eric is offering his lifetime of pondering and studying this great subject.... so thanks ....
                  kokomojo....while your post have certainly have been a little ...Trollish .. Its always good to have both sides in a discussion .... You seem to have a deep grasp on many of the important issues ...Yet it appears you are happy and content with the science and math the way it exist .... I wonder what your really looking for in this forum....You could be an asset to helping out ... why not try that approach .... and if there is something so wrong with all this Theory and Thinking ... well then Why don't you disprove what you can ....either way you would be helping in the overall understanding.
                  what is helping out in your opinion?
                  ?

                  there are plenty of you people around to do that

                  I already said that I am not convinced, I gave my reasons why, what do you want from me, what would make you happy?

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                  • Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
                    Yes that works to transfer energy. The way I see it - If the coils are wound the
                    same way when the transmitter is positive the receiver is negative so if the
                    receiver is wound opposite like Meyl's when the transmitter is positive the
                    receiver is also positive. If they are close that makes a difference.

                    Then there is the "electrical length" between them. I think positioning the
                    receiver 1/4 WL (or an odd multiple of 1/4 WL) from the node at the base of
                    the transmitter will help when using identical/mirror transformers. I imagine
                    then if the terminal capacitances both have the same reference the effect
                    would be to force "activity" on the receiver. Even if they were on opposite
                    sides of the Earth. The effect of a stationary wave would be obvious I think.

                    What I don't understand is why the basic principal is not explained a bit better
                    so the common man can at least know what is trying to be done. And what it
                    is you are doing if you don't want to build anything. I've read you say that
                    you want to prove more power out than in, but where does Tesla say this.

                    You also say that Meyl claims more out than in. But more what ? What is the
                    value and the property of the claim of Meyl's more out than in claim ?

                    ie. Is it say 10 "watts" more out than in or is it 10 "volts" more at the receiver
                    than the transmitter has applied to it ? If you think that the more "power" out
                    than in situation is possible with a Meyl system then why not show us ?
                    Should be a piece of cake for you. That's practical science.

                    Meyl's system is not Earth connected at all as far as I can tell which seriously limits
                    the practicality of using very high voltages because of the connecting wire
                    insulation. With low voltage its fine and dandy but try it with a 50 Kv
                    transformer and see what happens, you'll need very good wire for the
                    connection between the coils or suspend it.

                    All in all I don't see any Laymans explanation of a theory of operation. I think
                    it would help to ensure people were thinking along the same lines and for the
                    purpose of visualizing it.

                    Cheers

                    PS. If a connecting wire is used that is longer than 1 x 1/4 wavelength then I
                    think if the insulation on the wire is not good enough it will break through at
                    the first maximum voltage "nodal" point on the wire after the transmitter.

                    Kokomo you could start a different thread for this Meyl stuff.

                    ..
                    yeh that should work

                    I dont know. I presume since he teaches at fairly prestigious universities in germany and has developed the math to put together a unified theory that he at least understands the limitations and knows how to properly use meters.

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                    • Quote

                      "So with the above example and discussion given, lets examine the questions you gave pertaining to these four distinct inductions:

                      1) L, Leakage Inductance
                      Q - "The big magnetic fields that push our motors?"
                      A - My answer would be a resounding NO, leakage inductance can only store energy it CAN NOT TRANSFER ENERGY, thus it would only act as an IMPEDANCE and not as an ADMITTANCE required for the electrical to mechanical transfer of energy to create motion in a motor. The leakage inductance is the exact thing we try to get rid of when designing a motor, and is not something we usually want. There are times when a small leakage inductance can be helpful, this is only when there is a short circuit and the impedance of the leakage inductance prevents catastrophic failure by LIMITING the current of the short circuit.
                      .
                      [end quote]


                      By this dfinatiom does L change with the geometry of the wire!? Coil compared to a straight wire

                      Sorry to be beating you guys down with these simple questions but its these 4 terms that I need to get straight so when tuning my coil gets serious I will be able to effectively communicate with you.

                      I finally found some stout copper to make a primary out of. Holidays then time to learn how to cut copper.

                      Also Look up capillary tubing for secondary material. Lots of active copper.


                      Jake

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                      • Happy?

                        Kokomojo


                        This IS the classroom and we are here to learn ...if that means building a crystal radio set to further understanding through hands on experience ...whats so wrong with that?? What is the point of wasting your time here if you have nothing to learn here??
                        The negativity isn't helping any one understand a single thing.

                        what do I want from you?
                        what would make me happy?

                        Why don't you drop this class

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                        • Originally posted by nw7w7 View Post
                          Kokomojo


                          This IS the classroom and we are here to learn ...if that means building a crystal radio set to further understanding through hands on experience ...whats so wrong with that?? What is the point of wasting your time here if you have nothing to learn here??
                          The negativity isn't helping any one understand a single thing.

                          what do I want from you?
                          what would make me happy?

                          Why don't you drop this class
                          You know one of my professors was a real jerk wit and rather than patronizing him like noobs do out here to people with any kind of theory I had him sitting in the deans office. His teaching ability improved 100 fold after that.

                          Should we build a tree fort next? If you cant keep up why dont you find a thread you understand.

                          In the world of physics and engineering articulation and discussion is not negativity but part of the analytical process. This isnt religion, you either have empirically and substantial construction or not.

                          This is your 5th post I have not seen your contribution to this topic and can only surmise you have none.

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                          • Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post
                            You know one of my professors was a real jerk wit and rather than patronizing him like noobs do out here to people with any kind of theory I had him sitting in the deans office. His teaching ability improved 100 fold after that.

                            Should we build a tree fort next? If you cant keep up why dont you find a thread you understand.

                            In the world of physics and engineering articulation and discussion is not negativity but part of the analytical process. This isnt religion, you either have empirically and substantial construction or not.

                            This is your 5th post I have not seen your contribution to this topic and can only surmise you have none.
                            There is one problem though, in physics today string theory isn't even a theory as there is not only no consensus on it but there is absolutely no way to test it to prove it's falsifiability. Yet it is taught as such. Education is no longer about fact or empirical knowledge but the flow of money, he who controls the purse controls the research. To suggest otherwise is suicide.

                            If you haven't read it, I highly suggest reading Lee Smolins 'the trouble with Physics' it's written so that you don't need a deep understanding of quantum physics but it does help to understand the issue fully. Penroses' the Road to reality is another strange read as he's more a mathematician he's developed his own theory that is strange only because I think that they are trying to hard to hold onto relativity as gospel and that is where things go wrong.

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                            • Originally posted by madhatter View Post
                              There is one problem though, in physics today string theory isn't even a theory as there is not only no consensus on it but there is absolutely no way to test it to prove it's falsifiability. Yet it is taught as such. Education is no longer about fact or empirical knowledge but the flow of money, he who controls the purse controls the research. To suggest otherwise is suicide.

                              If you haven't read it, I highly suggest reading Lee Smolins 'the trouble with Physics' it's written so that you don't need a deep understanding of quantum physics but it does help to understand the issue fully. Penroses' the Road to reality is another strange read as he's more a mathematician he's developed his own theory that is strange only because I think that they are trying to hard to hold onto relativity as gospel and that is where things go wrong.
                              Shadows Fall- Welcome To The Machine

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                              • Originally posted by Kokomoj0 View Post


                                Example showing two surfaces S1 and S2 that share the same bounding contour ∂S. However, S1 is pierced by conduction current, while S2 is pierced by displacement current.


                                Combining these results, the magnetic field is found using the integral form of Ampère's law with an arbitrary choice of contour provided the displacement current density term is added to the conduction current density (the Ampère-Maxwell equation):[5]





                                This equation says that the integral of the magnetic field B around a loop ∂S is equal to the integrated current J through any surface spanning the loop, plus the displacement current term ε0 ∂E / ∂t through the surface.
                                The problem with this equation is that it does not take into account that whatever current flows trough the contour MUST flow in a closed loop, because the flowing substance of choice, either "charge" or aether, cannot be destroyed nor created.

                                And something flowing in a closed loop is by definition rotation.

                                And thus magnetic induction MUST be a rotational phenomenon.

                                Q.E.D.

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