Love um or Hatem

[Duncan]

did you read the link ?
do you inderstand french ?

i can give you a lot of link in french with
the proof that L HATEM is a scam artist

I am from paris and I visitesd the great Leon a few years ago
he never measure input versus output in none of his inventions !!

Hi Tagor I've actually been waiting for your arrival you seem to specialise in bombing this system and make it your business across the forums, It took you a mere seven posts over here on OU com

1/ Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)

2/ Its taken you a mere Three posts to start your campaign of Libel on this thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...generator.html

This being the case I assume you regard “mindfreer” and “yannicksonic “ and George Mitchell and all the other replications are lier’s?

There is a lot more information associated with this system to be released and considered yet. perhaps you could post pictures and a video of your own failed Hatem construction.?
Either way a simple proof of concept device has already been posted and the members on this thread will very rapidly prove the system one way or t'other to their own satisfaction, In your case Tagor at the moment I think “The Lady doth protest to much” and I would request that you post no more unsubstantiated allegations on this thread .. alligators are not wanted here!




Best wishes À la rentrée Duncan

[Duncan]

Back it up!

Good Mr whip your researching! Backup everything !! when I returned to this subject I found the links and threads ripped to bits, and as you can see I’ve struggled to reinstate the information.
It really is “information war” also the practical skills required take a bit of consideration (I worry about my own ability in that regard) Leon Hatem is a Mechanician “par excellence ”if fact an attempt was made in the 1970s to repeat the eclipse experiment .. but the mechanics could not be matched! Yeh I could do with having the skills of say Jetijs for a week or so . There is obviously still a great deal going on that is not “public Knowledge” people are studying this for various reasons not least anti gravity, unexplained temperature rise, and potential difference and so here is an odd assortment of “also rans”
1/ strange things hatem magnetic cogging - YouTube

2/ Untitled on Vimeo
3/ Untitled on Vimeo
4/ wtf ??? hatem device or coler? #3 faceplate and magnet temps - YouTube

5/ wft??? hatem device or coler? #2 face plate temps - YouTube

6/ well this just doesn't work - YouTube

It may seem like I am bombing you guys with information .. Its true I have worked hard to to put it all back together . I'm delighted to see its all being re- named and re-issued on various video channels .. good job! As for the information wouldn't you rather be working on an engineer able system where each stage can be verified demonstrated and proved until you arrive at a machine that is capable of of a huge > 1 C.O.P ? Or simply spend time,and money firing expensive arrows in no particular direction with very little chance of success ? For instance hows Ted ended up with this contraption?

Hatem Magnetic Cogging Device - Heretical Builders

Research on !! knowledge is gold in suppressed technology

In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
~Desiderius Erasmus

[Duncan]

H.m.v

It seems a pity that some one should post under the heading !”There was another Einstein” in the first place It indicates a past tense and Leon although having a few years under his belt is still very much with us. And probably with his dying breath would still be a better artificer than I could ever hope to be!
As for another Einstein hells bells who would want one? The first one miss- directed and corrupted enough don’t you think? As Leedskalnin,, Tesla, De Palma, Lindermann, and Joe Flynn of course
How Parallel Path Gets Over Unity pointed out.
(Haven’t heard much from Joe or his system since he got sucked into the dubious bosom of the American military) Still.... All that aside if someone has gone to the trouble of translating one of Leon Hatems video's "Verbatim" then I am certainly going to link to it
There was another Einstein, he was french, his name was Hatem, page 1 for the benefit of this thread !
Its a pity the “sense” of Leon's spoken word isn’t better related .... still beggars can't be choosers! skywalk

[MarkV]

It seems a pity that some one should post under the heading !”There was another Einstein” in the first place It indicates a past tense and Leon although having a few years under his belt is still very much with us. And probably with his dying breath would still be a better artificer than I could ever hope to be!
As for another Einstein hells bells who would want one? The first one miss- directed and corrupted enough don’t you think? As Leedskalnin,, Tesla, De Palma, Lindermann, and Joe Flynn of course
How Parallel Path Gets Over Unity pointed out.
(Haven’t heard much from Joe or his system since he got sucked into the dubious bosom of the American military) Still.... All that aside if someone has gone to the trouble of translating one of Leon Hatems video's "Verbatim" then I am certainly going to link to it
There was another Einstein, he was french, his name was Hatem, page 1 for the benefit of this thread !
Its a pity the “sense” of Leon's spoken word isn’t better related .... still beggars can't be choosers! skywalk

Yea I'd like to add a few things I made an account just to discuss the matter "MORE" with you.

1st of all logically if theses devices worked would't you find them being made and commercially viable for the world?
Or at least heard of?

Don't give me that suppression non sense if that was true the whole world would be living the stoned aged lifestyle.
There are millions of rich investors who don't mind making millions more or probably billions off of theses inventions.

For countless months I've been watching these videos and searching more and more but their complete rubbish. Honestly if it was true they would've blown up by now with the media and billions would've been made.
Still the world uses fossil fuels instead why? because these devices dont work.

TO make something "change" or "better" you need to understand why its not working or not doing the job well enough understand the fundamental structure of it using both PHYSICS + MATH. they give obvious truth.

So far all those devices prof nothing unless their being produced.

AND I doubt there is a patent for this anyway. If there is I won't think its titled under "free-energy".

Hey don't get me wrong I'd like free-energy to be around but I'm realist STUDY the systems STUDY the laws of physics then consider them again using math to prove you're work not just blabber about it like what other are doing...

Cheers..

Mark.

[MarkV]

Good Mr whip your researching! Backup everything !! when I returned to this subject I found the links and threads ripped to bits, and as you can see I’ve struggled to reinstate the information.
It really is “information war” also the practical skills required take a bit of consideration (I worry about my own ability in that regard) Leon Hatem is a Mechanician “par excellence ”if fact an attempt was made in the 1970s to repeat the eclipse experiment .. but the mechanics could not be matched! Yeh I could do with having the skills of say Jetijs for a week or so . There is obviously still a great deal going on that is not “public Knowledge” people are studying this for various reasons not least anti gravity, unexplained temperature rise, and potential difference and so here is an odd assortment of “also rans”
1/ strange things hatem magnetic cogging - YouTube

2/ Untitled on Vimeo
3/ Untitled on Vimeo
4/ wtf ??? hatem device or coler? #3 faceplate and magnet temps - YouTube

5/ wft??? hatem device or coler? #2 face plate temps - YouTube

6/ well this just doesn't work - YouTube

It may seem like I am bombing you guys with information .. Its true I have worked hard to to put it all back together . I'm delighted to see its all being re- named and re-issued on various video channels .. good job! As for the information wouldn't you rather be working on an engineer able system where each stage can be verified demonstrated and proved until you arrive at a machine that is capable of of a huge > 1 C.O.P ? Or simply spend time,and money firing expensive arrows in no particular direction with very little chance of success ? For instance hows Ted ended up with this contraption?

Hatem Magnetic Cogging Device - Heretical Builders

Research on !! knowledge is gold in suppressed technology

In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
~Desiderius Erasmus

Watched most of you're videos my friend they don't prove anything! Other than magnetic gearing.

They don't describe exactly how the excess energy is coming from nor do they understand what's going on I guess.

And again I'd like to say if they was"successful" wouldn't they be rich right now and we would all use it instead of fossil fuels?

They might not be lying but their definitely not telling the truth or they didn't understand the system and stated something completely false.

Over-unity can be achieved if another energy source is added to the system not created.

[Duncan]

more of the same...

Hi Mark I trust you'll excuse me answering your P.M message on the forum , as regards the patent numbers.
Here is the French Patent espacenet - Document original

As is always the case with technology that is regarded a dangerous by tptb it is contested else where, in this case by the U.S patent shown on this page which of course should be rejected out of hand if the US patents office does its search correctly.

Energy

also Mark as you point out there is a huge physiological barrier which almost includes rage and incredulity in its arsenal , the first machine I managed to build which I knew was running with a COP > 1 was a Bedini mono pole with a flip flop which ran for months, Its hard to describe what happens mentally then but I certainly wasn’t very happy ! I was rather frightened, worried and angry, suddenly I was forced to realise that all those “rumours” were real and the François Cornish's and Stan Mayer’s and all the hundreds of others do get murdered and “disappeared”
The conspiracy theory really is a world wide fact, you seem to regard these dead and threatened people as “ non sense” an ironic pun … your going to have to discover and deal with that in your own way.

I would suggest this very old British TV documentary to be a good starting point Stan Meyer - It Runs On Water ( Full ) Hydrogen Oxygen ( HHO ) - Zero Point Energy as for Hatems device in particular I would suggest you build a small “proof of concept” machine rather like this
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...0/DSCF0012.JPG
using model makers motors, The efficiency of the primary drive is particularly important 95% of motors or alternators which are commonly available are useless for this device..as each “cog” in the series follows the Fibonacci series, The manufacturers of aero motors are forced to use highly efficient motors if only in a very small “bandwidth” of their operation..
All over this forum Mark, from the three battery system to Don Smiths device COP > 1 is being demonstrated..... to reliably reproduce and understand why is everyone’s common goal.
I don't Intend posting video's yet. if I actually wanted to fake something I could think of no better tool ! And the little proof of concept machine I have built is driven by D.C and has 3x 3 phase outputs into star connected loads I'm impressed and will certainly keep researching and building.
And no .. I'm not prepared to try and post input and output figures on the thread and turn it into a typical instrument reading trolls festival.
If you are really a new member to the forum then welcome, and I hope you soon learn the scope of “free energy” and the sacrifices of those who have tried to liberate the knowledge.
You may of course just be AKA Tagor, you certainly seem to be tasked with all things “Hatem”

[garrys]

im with markv on this one what i see is a 3kw or more motor running what im told is 4 2kw generators which are each running a 500 watt bulb or at most a 1000w bulb, either way its not even fully lit. The magnetic coupling is cute but i bet it cost a heap and took forever to setup. Lots of interesting links thanx and good to see someone so passionate about getting into it and doing it even if it doesnt work we all learn something from doing it. This all looks to me to be more about the magnetic coupling rather than free energy.

[Duncan]

suck it and see...

Hi Garry thanks for your observation,I really don’t think this conception of Leons has anything to do with the size of the motors or the alternators / Generators It does however have everything to do with the efficiency of the machines, Rather in the fashion of the Rotorverter where a motor much larger than the desired KW loading is used for very high efficiency (in that particular situation). In short I suggest the 3kw motor is not operating anywhere near its rated full load.
As for where the excess energy comes from and being unable to see where it comes from I have never seen a COP > 1 machine working that has had the source of extra energy satisfactory explained and engineer-able … I guess if I had this search would be over in every respect,
The loading on the main drive does appear to follow a decreasing series as predicted by Leon however I need build a few more variations of better quality with far more accurate power measurement to be sure.
Of course Garry the odds are “Its just another hoax” but as you correctly point out the only way to find out is …. try it.
acid remarks by folks who contribute nothing to the building operation or research and shout scam whenever possible prove nothing, waste space,
and really as on all the threads they infest are about as much use as "tits on a kipper"
In fact Trollys tend to generate more interest in the subject matter and I Tend to wonder what information they are trying to bury and discredit.

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[garrys]

i think the only potetial in this is that the magnets will slip when the gens become overloaded but there is no multiplication in them. there is scope for the rotating magnetic field outside the motor and generators to have an effect on the motor and the generators as is often observed by people experimenting with additional magnets around their projects and of course there is the shaft load that has been removed but then there is the windage that has increased as well to offset these gains. A device that was publicly known 60 years ago with no result from it to date is unlikely to show something new and the guy with one of these in front of his house also had a lot of solar power and wind power there which wouldnt be needed if this worked in any way shape or form. And in all fairness here i must point out that every single off the shelf motor or generator is made in a way that shuts out the very substance most of us are working with that shows the possibility of free energy being there and so anyone with off the shelf product like these are surely fooling themselves and hoping to fool you and i as well. 1 watt above input is all it takes and that is the hardest watt to get once you have that the rest comes easy anyone with lots of watts without getting the first one is unlikely to have it at all.

[Duncan]

slip sliding away .....

i think the only potetial in this is that the magnets will slip when the gens become overloaded but there is no multiplication in them. there is scope for the rotating magnetic field outside the motor and generators to have an effect on the motor and the generators as is often observed by people experimenting with additional magnets around their projects and of course there is the shaft load that has been removed but then there is the windage that has increased as well to offset these gains. A device that was publicly known 60 years ago with no result from it to date is unlikely to show something new and the guy with one of these in front of his house also had a lot of solar power and wind power there which wouldnt be needed if this worked in any way shape or form. And in all fairness here i must point out that every single off the shelf motor or generator is made in a way that shuts out the very substance most of us are working with that shows the possibility of free energy being there and so anyone with off the shelf product like these are surely fooling themselves and hoping to fool you and i as well. 1 watt above input is all it takes and that is the hardest watt to get once you have that the rest comes easy anyone with lots of watts without getting the first one is unlikely to have it at all.

Hi Garrys
consider this … In order to slip the system must slip at least “one magnet” or not at all, of course if you keep loading any part of the chain at some point it will slip, In fact that is exactly what should be avoided .. its made very clear in the video's that the system must be engineered into operational parameters just like any system! That’s so obvious its sort of kinder garden stuff so I wont bother labouring the point.
As for where does the power come from ? Consider this.... a pendulum who's BOB consists of a magnet
at the bottom of its swing it is positioned over another magnet with its poles in opposition, got the picture?
Can the BOB ever remain still? Of course not! Whilst I don’t claim to have just described perpetual motion in 25 words because of course the string must break in a thousand years or so Its getting very close.
I suppose the magnets might become de-magnetised at some point hundreds of years in the future ..perhaps? However I reckon the magnetic Kermits going to stay on my fridge door for a long time yet!
Unfortunately however the pendulum action appears to be random .
Of course its very difficult to extract useful power from a seemingly random action, but what if that “random action” is discovered to be … say two intertwined spiral magnetic fields?
LEEDSKALNIN.COM: MAGNETIC CURRENT RESEARCH

,https://vimeo.com/39001367?utm_sourc...aign=adminclip

Vortex Universe: Part 3, Russellian Science and Scared Geomtery of Spiraling Phi - YouTube

Leon has designed his wheels which turn in such a way as to counter act that “Natural spin” and so add power to the system in a linear Fibonacci series to each wheel in turn
I hope Garrys this answers all your questions but just to précis

1/ if you overload anything it will bollix up …. that’s why people engineer things
2/ The free energy is moving the pendulum … for ever … in the example given above
3/ Raoul proposes that the counter forces proposed by Leedskaline and demonstrated by magnet flipper above can be resolved by the counter spiral construction of the magnets on the rotors.

As for that one watt bollix .. its exactly that … they require a closed loop system, our universe is analogue, logarithmic and open circuit . John Bedini would have scooped up that million bucks long ago

1 watt challenge.wmv - YouTube

any more reference to that one watt evil rubbish will confirm your a very naughty boy!

However the very best wishes and I hope the explanation helps.


PS if you decide to build make sure the prime mover is uber efficent (which is why the systems escaped the drag net for 60 years) Leon made a mechanical system

[Matthew Jones]

I don't pretend to understand why or how this works. I have in the past played with it and there is something to it. I mostly found the things that you do not want to do with it and it was frustrating project, for me anyway.
The thing I remember the most is the speed issues with it. At certain speeds the magnets would disconnect. No loads mind you. You could not gear infinitely with this kind if setup even in a freewheel state.

I have always looked backed on it, as I started to study Howard Johnson's magnetic theories and assemblies, which I have now quite a bit of experience with, and wondered what it was that cause the decoupling at certain speeds. Magnetism has a peculiar behavior when the field align to 30 deg or 60 deg angles. Anyone can measure HJ drawing and find that he used it extensively. If you can't find it in the drawing he did not put it there for a reason. But its still there.

"Hast thou entered into the treasure of the snow?"...Job 38:22

Snow flakes only have one commonality. They always branch at 60 degrees to start then from there on out they branch in 30 and 60 degree patterns.
Physics cannot mathematically predict why water does this when freezing.
So physics lacks the fundamental knowledge to predict natural magnetic behavior. Lets not even begin on the unknowns of gravity.

This type of system will assuredly have some 30 and 60 degree alignments as the magnets rotate on the wheel. Since we do not yet understand what happens at these angles (And I can prove something happen, and have many times...) There very well may be an inflow of energy to this system that is not explainable under Faraday's definition to magnetism.

So to say that all we have to do is apply physics to the problem and we will understand that there is nothing here is nonsense (No offense intended). Very little is understood about magnetism, Is the feeling I get. There are lots of things that happen in the natural that are only speculated on by very free thinking physicists, but will never be proven through the Human understanding of Math.

I eagerly wait for the day we can ask the creator what the answer is, but until then I'll look myself.

Matt

[Duncan]

speed

Hi Matt as you say “there is something to it” like you I have experienced speed issues listen to "the hunting" in this early George Mitchell machine.
New Free Energy - YouTube
without some sort of feed back this system self destructs any one got a decent simple feed back control circuit for me ?
I do have more Information on this system Matt but I hesitate to throw it on open forum as its copyrighted stuff .. however I have PM'd the info to you and rather hope you can make the time to read through it as I would welcome a second opinion on this research .either by PM or preferably reworded and on open forum
Best wishes Duncan

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Matt as you say “there is something to it” like you I have experienced speed issues listen to "the hunting" in this early George Mitchell machine.
New Free Energy - YouTube
without some sort of feed back this system self destructs any one got a decent simple feed back control circuit for me ?
I do have more Information on this system Matt but I hesitate to throw it on open forum as its copyrighted stuff .. however I have PM'd the info to you and rather hope you can make the time to read through it as I would welcome a second opinion on this research .either by PM or preferably reworded and on open forum
Best wishes Duncan

I'll PM you back once I read through it all.
I have read one of them before and the Author has tendency to think a little too far out my liking, but its not to say he doesn't have point. I tend to shy away from any explanation that includes Gravity, as its a mystery. Where as magnetism in unconventional terms is not as much of a mystery especially if you factor in Johnson's work. Which seems to add up more than not.

I'll hollar you soon.

Matt

[Duncan]

water, snow ?

As for "Hast thou entered into the treasure of the snow?" a very interesting area as we are all circa 60 - 70% water the stuff deserves serious consideration ! I must confess I prefer it with a head on it .. still that’s neither here nor there …. The following films and clips explain why I consider water and snow so very important

Water, Consciousness & Intent: Dr. Masaru Emoto - YouTube

https://vimeo.com/11915668

LeeskalninPhysics2.wmv - YouTube
best wishes Duncan