3 Battery Generating System

[wantomake]

Video

Yes it does. And this is clear "proof" that the Matt modified motor does indeed have greater output than input.

And is there a conspiracy afoot to hide this video?
Why we wonder.....

wantomake
Thanks Dave

[Turion]

Correct link

https://youtu.be/hYcghCtlG-4

Hope this link works.

[wantomake]

Too bad and typical

Maybe they don't like us investigating the investigators. And this is all so typical of some here that don't want this to be real.

Too bad!!

Hoping your moving and renovations are going ok. We finally have a start date this Saturday!!!!

wantomake

[Turion]

Didn’t work for me just now either, although I went there yesterday to make sure it was still active. It was from the “continued testing of the 3 Battery system” thread about 3 pages from the end of the thread. Will go there when I get home and try it again. Sorry about that. It was Luc testing Matt’s motorshowing more out than in

[wantomake]

link

bi,
This system has been proved plenty of times by plenty of people. It just hasn't been proved to YOU. It is all about YOU.
Gotuluc, DUBUNKING our setup, didn't post on this forum. Instead, he posted it on a private forum that we happened to have access to, so here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcg...ature=youtu.be

As to The Burden of Proof. Just because you read it on the internet, doesn't make it true. I have no proof that this Burden of Proof you speak of is true. No one has proved it to ME, therefore, it has not been proven.

Hey Dave,
Can't get that link to work.

Maybe it's me?
wantomake

[Turion]

Iternet

bi,
This system has been proved plenty of times by plenty of people. It just hasn't been proved to YOU. It is all about YOU.
Gotuluc, DUBUNKING our setup, didn't post on this forum. Instead, he posted it on a private forum that we happened to have access to, so here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcg...ature=youtu.be

As to The Burden of Proof. Just because you read it on the internet, doesn't make it true. I have no proof that this Burden of Proof you speak of is true. No one has proved it to ME, therefore, it has not been proven.

[altrez]

Something is wrong there. Cheap test lead? Your camera work is very nice on the meters. Please show photos of the circuit and perhaps someone can identify the problem.

bi

Hello bistander,

I still have everything setup so I will try the test again this evening. I did use a cheap test lead for one quick connection I will fix that as well and post some pics.

Thank you for the help!

-Altrez

[bistander]

Need to fix that

Hello,

I do not understand that either. It only shows that drop when running the motor. Battery voltage while running tested with a fluke is 12.5v. The voltage between the battery and the boost converter drops to 10.83v when running the motor. The voltage on the output of the boost stays solid at 26.0v

-Altrez

Something is wrong there. Cheap test lead? Your camera work is very nice on the meters. Please show photos of the circuit and perhaps someone can identify the problem.

bi

[altrez]

Thanks for the reply. My understanding is that the input of the boost converter is connected directly to the battery. Then how is there a voltage difference? 13.1-12.5V on battery vs 10.83V on converter input?

Regards,

bi

Hello,

I do not understand that either. It only shows that drop when running the motor. Battery voltage while running tested with a fluke is 12.5v. The voltage between the battery and the boost converter drops to 10.83v when running the motor. The voltage on the output of the boost stays solid at 26.0v

-Altrez

[bistander]

Voltage difference

...
I used a 7.2 ah battery that started around 13.1 volts. with the motor and boost converter hooked up I documented 10.83 volts and 1.2 amps going into the boost. The boost was running at 26 volts.
...

Thanks for the reply. My understanding is that the input of the boost converter is connected directly to the battery. Then how is there a voltage difference? 13.1-12.5V on battery vs 10.83V on converter input?

Regards,

bi

[altrez]

here they go again...

@ altrez

It is natural for a battery to lose voltage when drawing a lot of amperage.. it is natural for a battery to recover voltage by itself.. when disconnected to a heavy load..

Hello ricards,

Yes I agree that is normal battery behavior the energy returned to the positive of the battery from the circuit is what I was more interested in. I just wanted to give as much info as possible about every part of the test

Do you think that 0.800 amp's was truly put back into the battery or am I not understanding this at all lol



-Altrez

[ricards]

here they go again...

@ altrez

It is natural for a battery to lose voltage when drawing a lot of amperage.. it is natural for a battery to recover voltage by itself.. when disconnected to a heavy load..

[altrez]

But Matt's latest video experiment used no motor, just 3 batteries, a boost converter and a led lamp as a load. I intend to replicate it within the next few days.

Altrez, I might comment but am unsure which circuit you built and what your load was. Can you post a diagram or photo of the entire circuit with connections plainly visible?

I do like having a number of people offering analysis.

Regards,

bi

Hello bistander,

I replicated the first part of Turion's one battery circuit with a stock motor and no load. My idea is to get a basic understanding of it and then add the modified motor.

The images I posted earlier are from the first part of the circuit with just the stock motor hooked up.

These are the basic results of the first part of my test.

I used a 7.2 ah battery that started around 13.1 volts. with the motor and boost converter hooked up I documented 10.83 volts and 1.2 amps going into the boost. The boost was running at 26 volts.

From the boost to the motor's positive side the amp draw was 0.783. From the negative side of the motor to the positive side of the battery the amp reading was 0.800

While running, the battery tested at 12.5 volts and total run time for the first test was ~6 minutes. After a short time the battery had went back up to starting voltage of ~13.1

This leads me to believe that even when not running a modified motor you still can clearly see some energy recovery back into the battery. So with that being said it looks like to me at least on this very basic level the one battery circuit Dave posted starting at the first loop does seem to work as expected.

Please correct me if I made a mistake or did not measure things correctly!



-Altrez

[bistander]

Burden of proof, again

... You believe I have a responsibility to PROVE this works, but YOU have NO responsibility to actually REPLICATE the correct circuit? ...

The Burden of Proof

If a person claims that X exists and is real then the burden is on that person to supply some support for that claim, some evidence or proof that others can and should examine before accepting it. It is incorrect to think that X exists and is real until someone can prove that there is no X. It is also wrong to think that just because you can not prove that X exists that does not mean that X does not exist and therefore X does exist.

X = greater output power than input power.

Read that article. Research "burden of proof". It is not just me, it is the rest of society that believes the burden of proof resides with the one making the claim.

Regards,

bi

[altrez]

I should also mention that some of you here measure the efficiency of a motor by what % of the input is converted to mechanical energy. I measure the efficiency of a motor by how much of the input I collect and recycle while still getting it to do the required amount of work. A difference in perspective, but reason for us to believe that some motors you call “highly efficient” are what we might call “ crap.” In some cases I don’t CARE how much input goes into the motor because I am getting such a high % of it returned. It is not input vs output, it is consumption vs output which is a whole different animal.

Hello Dave,

I have never thought about it that way. That makes a lot more sense when working with this setup.



-Altrez