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  • bbem
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    @gnino,
    What a coincident, I was just running the same circuit (on the left of the video).
    It was shown here:
    Joule thief - RE-EMF Charger - by Rene - YouTube
    And discussed here:
    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...f-charger.html

    When you listen carefully to the video you posted, it seems like the dogs in the neighborhood are in state of OU because of the joule thief

    Bert
    Last edited by bbem; 10-16-2013, 09:19 AM.

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  • gnino
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    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rO968rWQU8I
    Hi folks Watch this video i think could be a solid state version
    Of the 3 battery system, he's using Only 2 battery but the principle is the same.
    P.s. Matt your benitez system on what patent is based?
    Ciao Luca!!!!

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  • Turion
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    liber63,
    Before you spend the money on that, wait to see what Matt shares. I know he has a stable setup that is NOT running down the primaries using only good batteries and some switching. The primaries don't increase in charge, but you get the motor to run loads for free, and that isn't anything to sneeze at.

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  • liber63
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    He, he. Now you got me laughing too at my ideas! I was thinking milion of things.
    That's just one I could try!
    30 to 45 minutes without adjusting the load, is like heaven for me! You live already in paradise man! You just don't know it! Or maybe you do!
    I will have to buy these bigger bats and big motors asap. That's a real revelation for me. 45 minutes!!!
    Will be in touch!

    Panos

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  • Turion
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    liber63,
    I've never tried freezing the batteries! LOL That's a new one. Matt has had a LOT of success with all good batteries and some simple electronic switching, so putting some stuff together for folks may be in the works soon. Our goal has never ben to make money off this from selling "kits" as others have done, but with some simple electronics you can get some steady results, and that's what it's all about. When everyone can see that, so there is NO QUESTION this is for real, we will be where we want to be.

    I can tell you that with larger batteries it is easier to keep the setup stable. I can get mine (5BGS) to run for 30-45 minutes without having to adjust loads at all, and it is only when you are out of balance that you are going to use that .2 or .4 volts on your primaries. As Luther and I have discussed many, MANY times. The bigger you make this thing the more stable it becomes. The bigger the motors and the batteries, the bigger the loads. And the bigger the loads, the longer you can get it to stay perfectly balanced. The buffer battery is the key, and those who know how to write code and use instruments can put together a system that will increase loads or decrease loads based on what is going on with the buffer battery while running a steady load on the motor, such as a generator.

    Dave
    Last edited by Turion; 10-16-2013, 12:50 AM.

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  • liber63
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    I think that is good news Dave, with the company people! Even more experiments! You must be the supervisor though, right?

    To skeptic and not only
    A bit over two months I am testing the 3BGS, oh well, 5BGS now, and works like a charm.
    I bought 2 brushed motors 200 watt, and have done many runs.
    My motors are used ones and batteries small 7 AH. I always lose a bit, like 0,2 or 0,4 volts but I have runs over 1 hour and a half for the 2 motors with loads, sometimes heavy ones. Sometimes i light few bulbs as well at the same time.
    Even without following the exact instructions, like a coil or ground, or bigger batteries or bigger motors, the setup works!
    The only problem is, am getting literaly exhuasted by trying to balance all the time, like every half a minute or so and that's the reason I cannot have bigger runs.
    Dave, how to make it more automatic or at least find a more steady way for balancing? I believe it could be done electronically but I have no idea how.

    I also put the transducers in the freezer for few days. When after I tried them, the system worked like rock steady! The voltage didn't move at all!! I kept the batteries with ice covered during the time of the test. Has anybody tried that yet? The second time I tried that, didn't work as exactly as the first time.

    Panos

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  • Turion
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    Skeptic,
    I agree that the we probably haven't demonstrated to the satisfaction of folks like yourself that there is anything to this. And I STILL need to do that. Just so many things going on in my life at this point in time that I haven't gotten around to the mundane task of proving that this is viable.

    There are reasonsI haven't felt the need to justify myself or this work, and one day soon those will become apparent. I will still try to get around to running the tests for you, but let's just say we've already convinced the people who matter the most, and things are happening behind the scenes. I tried to share this for the benefit of everyone, and it has taken some interesting turns. I have been told that the chief design engineer of a major company wants to meet with me this coming week about some of the stuff one of his employees has seen in my basement, so things are moving forward.

    My own son, who is an engineer, and who is COO of one company and CEO of his own company has spent many hours of his time working with me on this and he has seen what happens with this setup. So running tests for someone else who could run their OWN tests really isn't my highest priority and I'm afraid it will always get pushed to the back burner. Especially now that I have some folks involved who WILL be running exactly those kinds of tests in a research laboratory environments rather than in my basement. I will share when that happens.

    Dave

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  • Matthew Jones
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    Originally posted by Skeptic View Post
    Turion:

    Best of luck - I'm not holding my breath on this one

    By the way - I make my living making sure that very large software systems do what they are supposed to on data that is accurate. In other words, a paid skeptic.
    Well that's to be expected...The skeptic comes in when things are slow and spews BS about how we have to prove this.
    DUH... Many people have already proven it. On a small scale anyway.

    Did you prove it?? Or are you one of those not willing to follow the instructions or not use the correct material so it didn't work for you???

    No worries though I understand what your trying to say. Its not that you want to make all the hard work look bad or anything.....Its not that all the people who have seen work are liars or anything.....

    Your trying to bolster yourself into a higher authoritarian position because in reality you were to lazy to even try. So instead of posting results you post you arrogance.

    Its lucky we have already anticipated this behavior, because your type is a dime a dozen around here, and we are working hard on a KIT, for people who are unskilled such as yourself, That will work right out of the box. Not for profit, just proof.

    So then if you actually know anything you'll be able to measure and see results. Oh that is if your not to busy or you can actually afford it, with that wonderful job of yours.

    Matt

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  • Skeptic
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    Turion:

    You said "You've just hit the nail on the head as far as what the problem is. I brought this to the forum to get a bunch of people involved in figuring out a solution and to work together toward a common goal. Instead, what we have is three or four people spending a lot of money and time building and then the rest sitting back and handing out theory while they try to get others to do the work for them. So why should those of us who are doing the work share where we are with anyone?"

    Virtually every principle known to man has an accompanying proof of concept that clearly demonstrates the validity of that principle. If something is true, there must be a way to clearly demonstrate it. I'm afraid that this group has put far too much time, energy, and money into this project to seriously seek proof of concept when there is a chance that the entire premise of 3BGS may not hold up to the concept of more energy available then is initially put into the system. I realize that at this point the system is not a "turn-key" application that can be switched on at will. This does not mean however, that a convincing proof of concept cannot be constructed. It just makes it more difficult and requires persistent and repeated effort. Putting that much effort into something that could possibly "pull the rug out" goes against human nature. That's why the proof of concept should occur as early as possible in the project. It has been said of 3BGS in the past (paraphrasing) "We do not need proof of concept - we already know it works". I maintain that you owe it to yourselves to pursue a solid proof of concept, no matter what the outcome. If it cannot be proven, then you will see one thing after another that will go wrong in the attempt. At some point, one would have to admit that there is no additional energy to be had. On the other hand, if the proof can be obtained, they you will have more people willing to help and spend time and money to refine the process. You would not be doing this for me, but for yourselves. You would either stop wasting your time or get the help you need to be a success. There is third possibility in that you enjoy the pursuit, and don't care if it never ends. There's nothing wrong with that! You're not hurting anyone and it IS a fascinating way to spend your time (and money).

    Best of luck - I'm not holding my breath on this one

    By the way - I make my living making sure that very large software systems do what they are supposed to on data that is accurate. In other words, a paid skeptic.

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  • cubalibre
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    Originally posted by tachyoncatcher View Post
    Welcome @cubalibre!
    Here is what I used instead of a chain. No friction loss, quiet, and if you are going to buy that chain, this is much cheaper.
    Tight Flexible Shaft 10 mm x 10 mm CNC Stepper Motor Coupling Coupler D 25 L 30 | eBay
    Nice start.
    Good Luck,
    Randy
    Till now I did not manage to dismount the chain wheels mounted and glued on the motor shafts, 11 Teeth. Therefore I ordered the adapted pocket bike chain, pitch 6.5mm, about 20$.
    Even though your coupler would run smoother, thats right.
    Regards
    cubalibre

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  • a.king21
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    Originally posted by tachyoncatcher View Post
    Welcome @cubalibre!
    Here is what I used instead of a chain. No friction loss, quiet, and if you are going to buy that chain, this is much cheaper.
    Tight Flexible Shaft 10 mm x 10 mm CNC Stepper Motor Coupling Coupler D 25 L 30 | eBay
    Nice start.
    Good Luck,
    Randy
    Thanks, just bought a couple. Now to wait for that slow boat from China...

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  • tachyoncatcher
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    Chain

    Originally posted by cubalibre View Post
    Dear all

    Generator: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 300W (not attached, chain missing)
    cubalibre
    Welcome @cubalibre!
    Here is what I used instead of a chain. No friction loss, quiet, and if you are going to buy that chain, this is much cheaper.
    Tight Flexible Shaft 10 mm x 10 mm CNC Stepper Motor Coupling Coupler D 25 L 30 | eBay
    Nice start.
    Good Luck,
    Randy

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  • CrystalDipoleMatrix
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    Originally posted by cubalibre View Post
    Dear all

    You inspired me to jump in, thank you.

    The setup is not complete, but I like to report about the starting conditions, like on the attached picture:

    Source Batt 1: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12,66V
    Source Batt 2: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12.62V
    Transducer Batt 3: old car FLA 12V/50Ah flat, -10V
    Transducer Batt 4: old car FLA 12V/50Ah flat, +5V
    Buffer Batt 5: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12.64V

    Motor: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 250W
    Generator: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 300W (not attached, chain missing)
    Light Bulb: 14W / 12V

    Inverter: 12VDC / 230VAC 300W
    Light Bulb: 30W / 230V (dimmer switch dosn't function, will have to check the connecters)

    Without ground.
    Without bifilar coil.

    First results:
    After running the motor 1 minute, the transducer batt 3 now rests stable in high minus voltage.
    Before running the transducer batt 3 was always around 0V.

    Turning the inverter on with the switch together with the 30W bulb results in a slightly higher motor speed.

    Source and Buffer Batts are going down. Balancing will follow.

    Regards
    cubalibre
    HI and congrats for your time spent on this. If you can't get it to work in overunity mode after some testing then you should consider finding some AGM's for the transducers batt's. Thank you again for sharing this.
    Jean

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  • LutherG
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    Thanks for jumping in!

    Originally posted by cubalibre View Post
    Dear all

    You inspired me to jump in, thank you.

    The setup is not complete, but I like to report about the starting conditions, like on the attached picture:

    Source Batt 1: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12,66V
    Source Batt 2: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12.62V
    Transducer Batt 3: old car FLA 12V/50Ah flat, -10V
    Transducer Batt 4: old car FLA 12V/50Ah flat, +5V
    Buffer Batt 5: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12.64V

    Motor: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 250W
    Generator: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 300W (not attached, chain missing)
    Light Bulb: 14W / 12V

    Inverter: 12VDC / 230VAC 300W
    Light Bulb: 30W / 230V (dimmer switch dosn't function, will have to check the connecters)

    Without ground.
    Without bifilar coil.

    First results:
    After running the motor 1 minute, the transducer batt 3 now rests stable in high minus voltage.
    Before running the transducer batt 3 was always around 0V.

    Turning the inverter on with the switch together with the 30W bulb results in a slightly higher motor speed.

    Source and Buffer Batts are going down. Balancing will follow.

    Regards
    cubalibre
    Hello cubalibre,

    Great report and nice looking setup! Looking forward to seeing more.

    Best regards,

    Luther

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  • cubalibre
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    First start up

    Dear all

    You inspired me to jump in, thank you.

    The setup is not complete, but I like to report about the starting conditions, like on the attached picture:

    Source Batt 1: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12,66V
    Source Batt 2: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12.62V
    Transducer Batt 3: old car FLA 12V/50Ah flat, -10V
    Transducer Batt 4: old car FLA 12V/50Ah flat, +5V
    Buffer Batt 5: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12.64V

    Motor: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 250W
    Generator: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 300W (not attached, chain missing)
    Light Bulb: 14W / 12V

    Inverter: 12VDC / 230VAC 300W
    Light Bulb: 30W / 230V (dimmer switch dosn't function, will have to check the connecters)

    Without ground.
    Without bifilar coil.

    First results:
    After running the motor 1 minute, the transducer batt 3 now rests stable in high minus voltage.
    Before running the transducer batt 3 was always around 0V.

    Turning the inverter on with the switch together with the 30W bulb results in a slightly higher motor speed.

    Source and Buffer Batts are going down. Balancing will follow.

    Regards
    cubalibre
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    Last edited by cubalibre; 10-12-2013, 10:55 PM.

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