3 Battery Generating System

[Matthew Jones]

More than likely it was just condensation from the heat of charging the battery. And you don't have to have moisture in the room for that to show up the granite is full of it all the time. It will concentrate it areas like that and it can take days for it to dissipate again.

I do not have enough finger and toes to count the amount of home owners who complain about the "Staining" on granite after the first time they see it. A hot pot will cause the same thing.
Its like Moisture wicking in sand. Where hot usually goes to cold, moisture does just the opposite. The hot sun warms the surface of the sand and the sand warms up then the moisture come to the surface.
Same thing on a concrete slab. Thats why they use plastic between the slab and the soil. So as the surface of the slab warms higher that the ground temperature the moisture starts to wick through the slab. Without the plastic you would always have a wet floor.

Matt

[Duncan]

Thanks Duncan,

Were there any photos of the granite work surface?

Many thanks,

Luther

I'm afraid not Luther Its pretty much as it sounds very much more concerned with the shagged work surface and now .. after days of polishing an years of use very little to be seen .It is exactly as it appears an off hand comment in passing that I grabbed hold of. I have asked the guy if a controlled experiment might be done with two batteries side by side one charged with magnetic current a'la George Wiseman and one charged with smoothed DC well its a big ask Luther isn't it? If I started telling you what to do I'm pretty sure I'd soon be shown the door. Still I think he's warming to the idea and also .. has some granite left! In the mean time if that stuff moves a compass or alters resistance ,, or ,, or
well it makes a world of difference doesn't it ? Anyway rest assured if it happens .. I'll tell you .
In the mean time it just might be a bit of the jig saw that matters. So I've reported it as is .

[LutherG]

I'm running on a bit of a tangent as you all know .. still we are trying to boot the ball into the same net, so If I see something or its reported and I think it pertains .. I'll post . Such is the case in this regard . I did not know granite is radioactive .. neither did I Know it is magnetic . All that aside this was posted..

I know full well there are strange thing happening when an LA battery is being charged !! I got a serious ear bashing from my wife, when after a couple of days charging a battery on one of our Granite work surfaces, upon moving the battery the Granite had taken on the shape of the cell structure within !! And despite a whole day of re polishing there is still the faint outline !!

The pleasures of OU research !!

It may not mean much to you .. but it speaks volumes to me . I questioned the man, That occurred with a standard battery charger.

Thanks Duncan,

Were there any photos of the granite work surface?

Many thanks,

Luther

[Duncan]

I'm running on a bit of a tangent as you all know .. still we are trying to boot the ball into the same net, so If I see something or its reported and I think it pertains .. I'll post . Such is the case in this regard . I did not know granite is radioactive .. neither did I Know it is magnetic . All that aside this was posted..

I know full well there are strange thing happening when an LA battery is being charged !! I got a serious ear bashing from my wife, when after a couple of days charging a battery on one of our Granite work surfaces, upon moving the battery the Granite had taken on the shape of the cell structure within !! And despite a whole day of re polishing there is still the faint outline !!

The pleasures of OU research !!

It may not mean much to you .. but it speaks volumes to me . I questioned the man, That occurred with a standard battery charger.

[wantomake]

still fun

Yes, I took that post down. Now you're one of the few who will have that bit of info. Hope it helps. I have all kinds of things I need to test out before I am going to post anything more here. I have no desire to lead anyone down the wrong path as I have seen people do in other threads, where interested parties have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars for something that isn't working.

I have always felt that the 3BGS was for the average guy, because it is simple to build and relatively inexpensive. I thought there would be thousands of folks trying it. I was wrong. It seems destined to slip to the back pages of this forum like a page 3 story in the newspaper.

But that's ok, because when those of who continue to work finally figure this out, we'll have our reward. It may not be flashy, but this sucker can put out the power. I have seen it. And once you have seen it, nobody can convince you otherwise.


Your guess is as good as mine about the aluminum plate. There are so many different variations of that idea that I decided to pull the comment so I don't send folks all down dead end tracks. If I run into a dead end, I really don't mind.
Dave

Dave,
Still trying to enjoy this project, but the extreme cold here in southeast has slowed me to a standstill.

I understand your reason to remove the post. I did try the same set-up with same size plate. But, if you did something extra to the plate then would be easier to replicate. PM me if you want. If not I still will try this when time and weather allows.

Either way you decide is ok,
Thanks , wantomake

[Turion]

3bgs

The 3BGS is like a box of chocolates....

Which is, of course, the problem.

[Duncan]

The plate ...

hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle adding a plate why not? I heartily agree ! so does Ed L he tells us in his book on the very stuff that I keep suggesting is vibrating these batteries like this

Amazing Resonance Experiment! - YouTube

magnetic current ... (which you may know as reactive current .. which is attracted by resonance) that LA batteries are unbalanced and another plate should be added ... you have done so bravo! throw it in water or bury it either which way it'll help you drink from natures well

About Capacitors ... Part 2 Why it helps to have an odd number of plates, by Andy Davies - YouTube

stick a decent antenna on the other pole that'll be a bonus too I'll warrant

[Turion]

Glad to see you are having some success with this. The more people who try it the better. As more and more people have doe success with this, it will become more difficult for the nay sayers to convince people that there isn't anything to this.

Dave

[cornfused]

Hi Dave,
As I am writing this I have the basic setup running. Its been running for 30 minutes or so, and my batt. 1 and 2 are currently higher than when started. Batt 1 is 15.4 batt 2 is 14.2 and batt 3 is at 22.2. Batt. 1 and 2 started out at 11 something and batt 3 at 4 volts. #3 started at 27.3 after I hooked everything up, it took 5 minutes or so for the motor to start. Since motor started, I have split the negative with the motor and an aluminum plate in water, in hopes that I can go negative.
This is my first try at the 3bgs. A few nights ago I tried it with two batteries and did get # 2 to go negative, but it didn't stay. It would however run a motor negative when disconnected, but I unhooked the setup and went to bed. The next morning it was back to positive, 3.91 volts. This is really cool, thanks for sharing with us. I have followed your thread since day one, but never took the time to try. I don't have an inverter, but will get one so I can try to balance loads. I did hook an idinical motor to #3 and. Rpm and torque were really high, then unhooked and motor ran slower.
Thanks again for sharing, I plan on fooling with this as my intelligence and time allows.
Jason

Motors are from a peg perigo ride on 4 wheeler. My "good" batteries aren't really that good, they go dead in a day or so.

[shylo]

Killing that battery

If your gonna kill it ,you may as well use it.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

Bad batteries will get fixed somtimes. You can prevent that from shorting them out when in storage.

Matt

[Sawt2]

I left the energizer run off the 3BGS all night, it took the charge batt to 14.65V, the primary 1 dropped to 11.3V, primary 2 dropped to 9.6V, Batt 3 went up 13.66V.
Couple thoughts.
1. Primary 2 could have a bad cell
2. I maybe should have worked my way up to 24hr run.
3. Curious to see where batt 3 comes to rest.
4. I think batt 3 is actually improving as a batt.
5. Sadly I may actually have to charge the primaries up.(we'll see tomorrow)

Brian

[Turion]

Results

Sawt2,
Sounds like you are able to see many of the positive aspects of this setup that many of us have seen. There will be those who say you are seeing a "fluff" charge on your batteries and your voltage readings are therefore incorrect. But obviously you have done a few runs with this setup so you know the difference. And seeing is believing.

We need lots more folks like you trying this setup and not giving up. That's the way we'll come up with the answer. Good luck my friend, and thanks for sharing your results.

Dave

[Sawt2]

Yes, I took that post down. Now you're one of the few who will have that bit of info. Hope it helps. I have all kinds of things I need to test out before I am going to post anything more here. I have no desire to lead anyone down the wrong path as I have seen people do in other threads, where interested parties have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars for something that isn't working.

I have always felt that the 3BGS was for the average guy, because it is simple to build and relatively inexpensive. I thought there would be thousands of folks trying it. I was wrong. It seems destined to slip to the back pages of this forum like a page 3 story in the newspaper.

But that's ok, because when those of who continue to work finally figure this out, we'll have our reward. It may not be flashy, but this sucker can put out the power. I have seen it. And once you have seen it, nobody can convince you otherwise.

Your guess is as good as mine about the aluminum plate. There are so many different variations of that idea that I decided to pull the comment so I don't send folks all down dead end tracks. If I run into a dead end, I really don't mind.
Dave

Dave
Just wanted to share some results. I don't do a lot of posting (I don't even do a little posting) but I didn't want you to be discouraged and think that no one is paying attention. I don't get a lot of extra time so I spend it in the shop not on the computer. But in reading your post I realize that maybe it is important to post results or at least present an update from time to time.. So here goes!!!!

All
I started experimenting with the 3 BGS several months back with some various motors, some 12V some 24V ( all wheelchair related motors) saw some very encouraging things happening. Like batteries not depleting there charge when they most certainly should. I've tried the basic setup, motor running between the positives, small lights hooked to batt #3 causing the motor to speed up etc. If you have tried it you know what I mean. The very first time I tried it I checked the voltage of each battery added them up and ran the test, did just as others have seen, batt 3 Voltage started to drop slowly going to 17.1 then the motor kicked on and ran till the voltage climbed back up to around 24.6 at which time the motor would stop and the voltage would fall again to 17-18 volts and start over again. I found this so fascinating I let it do it for about 2 ½ hrs at which time I stopped it and watched to see what the batteries would do. I had to leave the shop for a little while and when I came back I was very curious to see if the batteries would recover and to what degree.. well when I checked the voltages I once again tested each one added them together for a total voltage. When I compared to the starting voltage I saw that I had a net gain of .57 volts across all 3 batteries. I thought I checked them wrong so I checked each one again (in fact I checked them several times) just to be sure. Sure enough there was a net gain.
I have run this test several times since using the same batteries and motor, haven't seen a gain since but the primary batteries recover to the original voltage almost every time, sometimes may miss it by .1 volts or less. In all my tests I have yet to charge the primaries on a charger. These batteries are only 2.9 amp hour batteries..The kind they use in emergency lighting fixtures.
The batteries stay in my shop and its been kind of too cold to be out testing till today, so, I had an idea.... let's test this with the Bedini energizer. I just have a very simple single bifilar coil energizer.
I use it to rejuvenate some of these small batts and have even used it on some big ones.

Start voltages
Primary 1 12.68V
Primary 2 12.68V
Battery 3 11.78V
Charge battery 12.61V

So today I hooked the energizer between the pos. started the energizer and it ran up to about 240 rpm and the charge battery ran up to 13.8V within 10 minutes then leveled off and climbed slowly to 13.9 when I got the idea to see what would happen if I put a load on batt 3. I took an automotive taillight and hooked it up to batt 3 (keep in mind these are only 2.9 amp hr batts and a taillight bulb pulls just short of 1 amp)..... Well, the speed of the energizer moves up to 334 in about 2 minutes the charge batt goes up to 16.27 and batt 3 voltage drops to 5.68 All in about 7 minutes. I let it run about 10 more minutes then disconnect to check recovery.

Voltages on the primaries during the test dropped to about 12.08V, after test, 5 minute rest 12.15V and after 1 hr 12.54V Battery 3 went to 5.68 during test after 5 min rest 10.64V after 1 hr 12.09V.
I want to continue testing this system, Maybe get some bigger batts. I actually put the energizer on them again to see if it would charge the battery overnight. Well this got pretty long I will stop for now.
Keep going Dave I find this very encouraging.
Brian

[Turion]

Missing post

Yes, I took that post down. Now you're one of the few who will have that bit of info. Hope it helps. I have all kinds of things I need to test out before I am going to post anything more here. I have no desire to lead anyone down the wrong path as I have seen people do in other threads, where interested parties have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars for something that isn't working.

I have always felt that the 3BGS was for the average guy, because it is simple to build and relatively inexpensive. I thought there would be thousands of folks trying it. I was wrong. It seems destined to slip to the back pages of this forum like a page 3 story in the newspaper.

But that's ok, because when those of who continue to work finally figure this out, we'll have our reward. It may not be flashy, but this sucker can put out the power. I have seen it. And once you have seen it, nobody can convince you otherwise.

Your guess is as good as mine about the aluminum plate. There are so many different variations of that idea that I decided to pull the comment so I don't send folks all down dead end tracks. If I run into a dead end, I really don't mind.
Dave