Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

principal operation

He's seeking a patent on a much more complicated efficient version of a similar device, so he's not wanting to get into specifics as to why it works and/or how it works.

He did say that even though what he has shared appears simple enough, that the device would not work well if the can is not tuned properly and/or the provided gaps are either not used or maintained.

Hello all.

Can some one please tell me the principal operation of this heater?

If mr C could explatn that the bilding of this device would be very easy.

Thanks

[RAMSET]

My 3 cents cavitation

Ahura Mazda,
I say Cavitation ,the patent that you and Masterplaster shared speaks of the relatively weak bonds that hold the water together,this is why we can do electrolysis at such Low to Nil currents.
I believe we are working ultimately with A mechanical Cavitation maintained by resonance on a weak bond,, with
I spritz of voltage /current to boot.
An example of how easy it can be to cause a mechanical cavitation Heat event in water here!
youtube pistol shrimp - Bing Videos
If this device will do any thing close to the above ,or cause a resonance
to maintain this conditoin????????

If you've seen the Davey Instant heater

Peter Davey's Sonic Resonance Boiler - 02.2008 - YouTube

@boguslaw had some nice frequency related theory??

We are building this device ,I have chosen to Find the right Can [taking some time in USA] before I attempt a replication.

I don't like wiggle room when it comes to copying some one elses work of such a sensitive nature.

I know there is a can out there some where ,I get some strange looks walking into the Liquor store with a ruler and a set of calipers measuring their inventory.
I love when I tell them "it don't measure up" !! [I have very high standards}
Nobody's Chased me with the crazy man Net!
Yet!
Chet

[MonsieurM]

from: Intuitor Physics of Resonance, Tesla, Master of Resonance

Nikola Tesla (1856 - 1943) - Master of Resonance

It was an innocent experiment. Tesla had attached a small vibrator to an iron column in his New York City laboratory and started it vibrating. At certain frequencies specific pieces of equipment in the room would jiggle. Change the frequency and the jiggle would move to another part of the room. Unfortunately, he hadn't accounted for the fact that the column ran downward into the foundation beneath the building. His vibrations were being transmitted all over Manhattan.

read on...

[TEKTRON]

I don't like wiggle room when it comes to copying some one elses work of such a sensitive nature.

I know there is a can out there some where ,I get some strange looks walking into the Liquor store with a ruler and a set of calipers measuring their inventory.
I love when I tell them "it don't measure up" !! [I have very high standards}
Nobody's Chased me with the crazy man Net!
Yet!
Chet

Chet,ROFLAMO!

[WeThePeople_USA]

None of my questions previous were answered,
like if the 400-Hz was external,
or a multiplicative of the mains.

So I'll just let them go until they become obvious later...

Let me throw this out there about the insane idea of having
a tin can float in a gap this tight and not shorting out to the "Ring"
in catastrophic failure sooner than later in this current design...

Why not place the ring on the can with
as little spacers as is necessary
to keep it at the desired "Gap",
but let it still be free of the can.

Something like a few short pieces of tubing at three points.
(three legged stools don't wobble...)

Then attach a flexible braid to the ring to keep things safe ?

[RAMSET]

only one source for power

we the Peeps
There is just one hook up!![well two physical connections for one supply source]
No additional feed....
I admit the 400 hz at this time seems to be hanging in the breeze?
perhaps it intimates an actual drive frequency that will develop??

RE Sparks

If Mr.C can get the ring stable with out getting all Sparky
Then thats the first choice!!

Perhaps a test [continuity] to check a dead short prior to throwing the power switch would be an appropriate precaution{of course it would]
Plus a weak breaker?? [not too the Valve [ring] is designed to draw X amount or current]
Thank you for your continued interest and contributions!!!
I expect things to get much more interesting around here "shortly"!!

Chet

[WeThePeople_USA]

we the Peeps
I admit the 400 hz at this time seems to be hanging in the breeze?
perhaps it intimates an actual drive frequency that will develop??

I've resigned it to mean that the ring should resonate at a periodic that is X4 of the can, but have little proof of this concept in all the posts here and elsewhere.

No mention of an external source has ever been confirmed.

RE Sparks

If Mr.C can get the ring stable with out getting all Sparky
Then thats the first choice!!

I, for one, strongly insist at least some sort of
insulator be applied to the outer surface of the can,
or the inner surface of the ring to prevent making this
an underwater welding project at the very least people (?!).

Perhaps a test [continuity] to check a dead short prior to throwing the power switch would be an appropriate precaution{of course it would]

Thank you for your continued interest and contributions!!!
I expect things to get much more interesting around here "shortly"!!

I've been quiet after very little reception
to my initial technical questions (to be polite),
but this is now getting very dangerous to all !

have you seen how far a glass moves
while in resonance in high speed vids ?

now think about a friggin tin can,
and look at the gap clearance used!

This can't end well...

If the choice is to "Suspend" the ring seperately from the can,
please utilize a protective measure from a full short circuit, OK ?


Core, your a lifer HVAC dude by nature,
I have an opionion I'll PM/IM if interested.

I almost never PM/IM anyone, so I'm asking.

[RAMSET]

Thanks for your concern

Uh Oh I see S has posted
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If you didn't read the disclaimer ,you should.....

If your not comfortable with experimenting, You shouldn't
But don't assume the worst....

I started my working life hanging on to the sides of airplanes
inches from the screaming prop... "Tuning"!!
Jets soon followed.

After that the things I have done for a living were even more risky
and "always" involved the safety of others,and still do to this day,
if you have ever been to NYC you most likely have come in contact with some of my work!

Lately My life has taken a change for the simpler [not by choice]
but one of the customers I still take care of is a nice sized boat yard with floating docs and Very high voltage at very high amperage
Always playing in the water with electricity.......

Just be safe ........and you will!!
Its not knowing the danger that is dangerous , not the case here

We the people ,your a cool guy ...please don't feel we are ignoring your concerns
As usual with this kind of thing ,it ain't perfect [the field support]
but its enough for me .......

And Frankly
I'm freakin excited!!
Chet

[WeThePeople_USA]

Thanks Chet, that helps
good luck "S", wish you didn't think that way,
others, BE CAREFUL PLEASE !

If requesting an insulator between conductors
connected to a houses mains causes all this,
then I am not the problem here at all, am I...

EDIT:
I will be quiet again,
no need for rebutal.

[WeThePeople_USA]

I started my working life hanging on to the sides of airplanes
inches from the screaming prop... "Tuning"!!
Jets soon followed.

After that the things I have done for a living were even more risky
and "always" involved the safety of others,and still do to this day...

I understand,
Mine was both over water und under water
as a marine electronic technician myself.
(OK, sometimes tops of tall masts...)

Amazing wonderful phenomina water has
mixed with HF/RF electricity at great potential.

I'm excited about this (project) too,
but it has grown unsafe currently.

Laymen reading this may cause harm,
no discalimer covers this responsibility.

I offered plausable alternatives...

Your awsome Chet, thanks.

Good luck all, use small fuses/breakers !

[RAMSET]

Whew that was close ....
One more "ASS" and we would have gone Overnudity!!

Fellahs Its just us in these pages ,we have to work together
it won't always be pretty.
But we have the same goal.......

That makes us Pals !=,}

And Peeps the insulators will have part #'s in the PDF[when it gets that far]
Slovenia is one of the most thorough men I have ever seen.

He does amazing things with absolutely nothing to work with!

Chet

[WeThePeople_USA]

Yeah, "S" does very well at scaping available info into a pdf format,
and does do pretty darn good at trying to keep them updated too.

I'm sure he will do well here too.

I'd loose ground to comment on the current PDF,
so I'll look past all that.

Your indicating some form of insulator part #'s
between the two mains was all I seeked above.

I have to admit your right,
"S" is resolving minimal info,
the gaps needed are huge.

Core is taking the first huge risk this weekend,
at least it is on the threads (Davey's) topic,
and he is seeing success on that front.

[RAMSET]

Core has it going on

Core has a replication here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post161435

Now we can Pull this whole thing apart and see what makes this Happen

Chet

[Slovenia]

Peeps

If you are concerned about us and the experiment that is one thing. I don't want anyone to be killed or maimed either. All I know about this Serbian device is what my contact has shared with me. I'm just trying to replicate a device that has been stated by my contact to work.

The only facts I know about the device are what I have already shared in my pdf file. I am an alternate fuel researcher of ten years now and am trying to find a good device that will work for my own needs. The only reason I shared on this channel was to get a little help from some like minded folks. I'm not a trouble maker but I'm as red neck as the next guy when someone scraps with me. If I misunderstood your intentions I do apologize.

I don't have the answers to most of the questions you posed to me. I didn't want to pose them to my contact because he would have just cut me off and not shared any more facts about his device with me. He doesn't feel like he has to prove anything to anyone. He says he has a working device and I took him at his word.

It is as you say potentially a very dangerous device. Things need to be insulated and also grounded properly. This is a Serbian device and not a USA OSHA approved device. So, with that in mind everyone needs to be very careful. Mr. "C" has not explained everything about his device. There is still a lot of missing information. Anyway, be careful everyone and don't take any unnecessary risks!!!

[RAMSET]

Cop overunity on the way

Mr.c's stock just went up big time Slovenia!!
now its off to the races!!

We'll see if Tesla Beats Davey?



Chet