How to turn plastic waste into diesel fuel cheaply

[Asad Farooqui]

jetijs R u selling plants ???

Hi jetijs ;

i was surfing through the following website :
Tires To Oil | Oil | Generator | Thermal depolymerisation | tires | tire | Waste | Into | Oil | ERM | fuel | diesel

They are selling small pyrolysis plant of capacity 13-50 & 100 gallons.

Amazingly all the plant drawings, literature even the picture of the plant they offer are exactly the same as you provided on this forum at different times .

Is this your company ???

[Jetijs]

LOL
Asad, that is not my company nor my web page. But the pictures are mine. Nobody asked for my permission to use those pictures. In one of them they even changed the color of the outer oil barrel. I don't know what to think about that.

Anyways, the messy extruder setup works well at least. Here are the pictures:





and here is a video:
YouTube - A messy homemade plastics extruder

This is just the first run. The motor is at its limits, need a stronger one. Everything else seems to work fine.

[CRMoore]

Energy Recovery Machines (ERM) website

When I stumbled upon the ERM website ~2 weeks ago I had mixed reaction: great concept but a sense that as a business there was some questiionable aura. After several emails and a couple of phone calls it seems that I asked too many questions-essentially was told I might take my business elsewhere. Although abit down that ERM is not the company I'd hope would supply us with a 10, 50 or 100 gallon plastic to oil (P2O) unit I'm glad to have found this forum. If there are P2O unit (would be) tinkerers near/in DE please post!

[dutchdivco]

Jetsis

A shame, if your material is 'open source' on this forum, and not copywrited, it may be that you can't stop someone from using it.Want to bet this is from the same,....'member' that started that whole phoney dioxin scare? Unscrupuolous SOB. I'm wondering if anyone will actually recieve anything from this company, other than a lightening of their wallet.
As you may recall, can't watch videos. have you tried using a rotisserie motor? They are geared down to develop a heck of a lot of torque.Jim

[Jetijs]

Hi Jim.
They don't even have the info right, so I guess that is a typical scammer thing. Anyway, I already have a bigger motor and a serious gear reducer (13:1), will use that for the next setup

[dutchdivco]

Only $25,000

to become a 'regional dealer'.Yeah, right! I would move on this, and quick. Only thing is, all my $'s tied up in this deal in Africa. Se this corrupt government official died, and he's got my last name,.....and all his $ is sitting in this bank account, and,...
Seriously, I think its a scam.
"ENERGY RECOVERY MACHINES MAKES NO WARRANTY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, REGARDING THE ACCURACY OR COMPLETENESS OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED HEREIN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR USE OR PURPOSE. ENERGY RECOVERY MACHINES SHALL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, DAMAGES FROM LOSS OF USE OR PROFITS, OR COST OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES, IN CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN.

SAFETY DISCLAIMER: We are in no way responsible for damages to you, your family, your property or anyone else's property caused by operating this machine and making your own fuel. You are doing this at your own risk. Please be safe and think about the consequences of your actions, insurance is not going to pay for your house when they find out you burned it down making fuel. Even worse, you cannot bring a loved one back from the dead if something happened. Please be responsible." Jim

[bcc063]

A shame, if your material is 'open source' on this forum, and not copywrited, it may be that you can't stop someone from using it.Want to bet this is from the same,....'member' that started that whole phoney dioxin scare? Unscrupuolous SOB. I'm wondering if anyone will actually recieve anything from this company, other than a lightening of their wallet.
As you may recall, can't watch videos. have you tried using a rotisserie motor? They are geared down to develop a heck of a lot of torque.Jim

Isn't that how Bill Gates started Microsoft by taking free public information, developing it a little further (or maybe not)and out popped DOS?!?!?

Curry

[Aaron]

energyrecoverymachine.com

Here is a thread dedicated to energyrecoverymachine.com and all some
contact info to log complaints:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...chine-com.html

There isn't anything wrong with making money with public domain info. That is the point that
anyone can make money with it, use it, sell it, trade it, give it away.

But proper credit should be given and scam artists shouldn't take credit for other people's
inventions! And copyrighted info should be used only with permission.

[Asad Farooqui]

Rotary feeder

Dear Jetijs ;

I was quite sure that this seems to be a SCAMMERS site NOT YOUR's.
I thought it would be better to let you & forum comunity should know how scammers are exploiting ......

The Rotary feeding machine , well done.
The concept is very good & most of the Chinese suppliers offer there system for fuel recovery with this kind of rotary infeed .
I saw the video & I wonder the RPM of the motor you attached seems to be quite on the higher side , what we do here in Pakistan, the RPM is between 15-30 RPM only.

I can listen the sound produced by the motor as if it has to apply too much torque . If you reduce the speed I believe the same motor will work fine .
The waste plastic will get more time to melt in the chamber & will come almost liquid-like .
At the end normally a metal mesh disk is attached which filters out most of the dirt particles which went with the waste plastic .So the molten plastic than fed into the reactor has minimal waste/carbon particles in it .

[Asad Farooqui]

Dear JETIJS ;

I would like to have comment’s from our COMMUNITY About the following article .
Is anyone using any stabilizers for there fuel ???


FUEL INSTABILITY

Newly manufactured diesel fuel from waste plastics can sometimes begin to deteriorate
as soon as it is produced. Within days of the diesel fuel being produced it goes through a
repolymerization and oxidation process. This process forms sediment and ‘insoluble gums’
in the fuel caused by the unsaturated fuel molecules (i.e. reactive olefins) lengthening
and linking together.
These components then drop to the bottom of the fuel storage
tanks and form a sludge. The fuel also begins to turn dark in colour and develop a
strong smell.
This will result in an increase in asphaltene agglomerations, polymerization and a dramatic
loss of combustion efficiency. The chemistry of diesel fuel instability involves the
chemical conversion of precursors to species of higher molecular weight with limited solubility.
The conversion process often involves oxidation of the precursors. Fuel solvency
plays a role, since the development of insolubles is always a function of both the presence
of higher molecular weight species and the fuel’s capacity to dissolve them.

‘Dark fuel’ is in general indicative of oxidation and is a sign that the process of fuel
degradation is in a far advanced stage.
Hazy fuel’ is indicative of polymerization of the fuel.

These components sink to the bottom of the fuel tank and form asphaltene also known as diesel sludge. The fuel begins to turn dark, odorous and in most cases causes
engines to smoke.
The engines smoke because some of these clusters in the early stages
are small enough in size to pass through the engine filtration and into the combustion chamber. As these clusters increase in size, only part of the molecule gets burned. The rest exits the exhaust as unburned fuel and smoke. With increases in cluster size they begin to reduce the flow of fuel by clogging filters.
The diesel needs to be ‘stabilized’ with diesel fuel additives that will inhibit ‘diesel polymerization’ and inhibit oxidation, darkening and agglomeration of certain components of the diesel.

One such effective stabilizing additive is Octel FOA-6. Octel FOA-6 and FOA-3 are amine-based antioxidants that are recommended for antioxidant protection of distillate fuels such as diesel.
FOA-3 and FOA-6 together with AO-22, generally give their best performance when added ‘hot and early’ to the fuel, usually to a cracked component in the run-down from the cracker.

[dutchdivco]

Jetsi

"He" does give you credit, if "This is similar to a pocessor developed by 'some guy in Latvia' counts as credit. May not be an exact quote, but I did see something like that on the site. Haven't gone back, cause i don't want to flatter 'him', or give his site the 'hits'.
Here is a link to the insulation paint additive.
Insulating Paint Additive Makes Paint Insulate
I'm thinking it may be useful in some way in insulating the reactor, piping, etc.Less energy lost= more efficient, right?
On the additive, good point. My understanding is that all fuels, i.e. Diesel and gasoline, regardless of how their made, go thru this polemerisation process, and I think its starts as soon as they are formed.There are additives for both, to 'retard' this process, and considering the cost of the fuel, the additives shouldn't add that much to the price, and would be a good idea.
Also, a water injection system on a diesel engine that is going to be using 'alternative' diesel is a cheap form of insurance.Set it up with a pressure switch, under the gas pedal, so it activates when you 'floor' it; periodically 'steam cleans' the cylinders, blasting out any carbon build-up.Simple to make, using a windshield washer set up.Jim

[Asad Farooqui]

Hi Dutchdivco ;
Any additive you experienced ?
Would you recommend it to us ?

[Aaron]

insulating pipes

I have that exact additive on every square inch on the walls and ceilings of my house. It works.

BUT - it is in primer that is not meant to be superheated.

I have mixed that additive in some high temp black paint for some
experiments. It can be used to insulate pipes, etc... but it is only radiant
reflective.

There are other additives that are also insulative and not just reflective.

For pipes, depending on temp, probably easier to just insulate with high
temp fiberglass exhaust wrap for headers then cover that with aluminum
wrap.

[dutchdivco]

I think its what they use

in 'ceramic' (actually, epoxy with this stuff added) paint for exhaust headers.I was thinking of either mixing your own, or buying the paint, THEN wrapping in fiberglass as you say.
I definetly want to use that stuff, to paint the inside of the walls of my housetrailer.Good to hear it works.
Was just thinking; heat used motor/WVO, (filtered, first) to a high enough temp to melt the plastic. Add in the plastic and stir.Then pipe/pump that mixture into the reactor.I don't know, it was just a random thought on a similar way to get the plastic into the reactor.

Oh, and no, sorry. I don't have any experience with additives, or reccomendations. Just recall on the WVO/Veg oil forums, reading that polymerisation can be a problem.Apperently some metals can greatly accelerate the process. I think I recall them saying avoid steel tanks, but (I think) aluminum is o.k. Not sure about stainless, copper is bad.Just going from memory, tho.Jim

[Aaron]

reflective coatings

in 'ceramic' (actually, epoxy with this stuff added) paint for exhaust headers.I was thinking of either mixing your own, or buying the paint, THEN wrapping in fiberglass as you say.
I definetly want to use that stuff, to paint the inside of the walls of my housetrailer.Good to hear it works.

Nansulate Home and Industrial Thermal Insulation and Asset Protection Coatings
SUPERTHERM CERAMIC INSULATION COATING SUPER THERM OUTPERFORMS PAINT

Those two would work even better than the Hytech one I used
because in addition to being radiant reflective, they are also insulative -
a huge bonus for additives.

I did mix the hytech additive with some black paint used for wood stoves,
etc... and painted it on my hot water pipes, then I wrapped aluminum radiant barrier around that and then on top of that I put the foam
insulation tubes.