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Fleet - solid state generator using Lead-Out principles

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  • Fleet - solid state generator using Lead-Out principles

    Here is an interesting new design from Lawrence Tseung, running on his Lead Out principle, expecting to run COP> 1.

    The left hand coil will be fed with a pulsed DC voltage to generate a magnetic field which passes through the magnet. This magnet becomes a vehicle for energy to be "lead out", and thus, the power in the right hand coil is expected to exceed that in the left one.

    The LH coil could be fed from a 555, and since we have an oscillating exciting voltage connected to a LR circuit, there will be a resonant frequency, at which we should, presumably, run.

    Any offers to put together a 555 circuit with a battery and transistor switch?
    Plenty of scope needed for variation of frequency and input voltage.
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    Last edited by wrtner; 02-26-2010, 04:40 PM. Reason: Dodgy spelling, I'm afraid.

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    The 555 will give out 200mA on its own. Possibly sufficient for some test purposes

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    • #3
      I've seen this discussed at OU and have skimmed the thread. I don't believe he has had an actual working unit yet with > COP 1 has he? I think they have been discussing a best configuration to go into production with but have they had actual good results over unity? I certainly like the concept of a solid state magnetic OU device.
      There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ewizard View Post
        I don't believe he has had an actual working unit yet with > COP 1 has he?
        No, it is a theoretical postulation at this point. But it should be inexpensive and easy to try it out. I am cutting up some laminations from one of those 8:1 transformers in a microwave oven to create the core.

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        • #5
          Sounds good - I've got several of those microwave transformers also and a band saw that'll do a fairly fast job on them. I look forward to your results. My biggest holdup is getting my shop put back together. I did manage to get my good o-scope fixed yesterday though (I replaced two blown caps and fixed a broken HV transformer wire). I really look forward to tinkering again with some of these ideas.
          There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine

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          • #6
            [QUOTE=ewizard;87134]Sounds good - I've got several of those microwave transformers
            QUOTE]
            They are not very conveniently shaped. I am looking for another.
            Possibly an isolating transformer. Also, a toroid would be easier
            to deal with.

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            • #7
              Off the peg cores.

              I am sure Lawrence will not mind my quoting him here:

              "Found a Company in Shenzhen that sells transormer cores.
              Welcome to Gaotune Technologies Co. Ltd
              Looks like we can find a match between their products and our magnets.
              I made a mistake of trying to get a transformer from dismantling an existing product. That transform was of the E I type construction. It was not the C core type needed".

              We should be able to find a local dealer.
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              • #8
                I really don't like to be a damper, but there is absolutely now way I can see this working. The picture given is also an impossibility. As the input coil increases and decreases the flux seen by the pick up coil, the pick up coil will respond with an induced EMF whose sign is dependent on if flux is increasing or decreasing.....so how is it possible to get a DC pulsed output on a transformer with a dc input....Its not possible.

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                • #9
                  Watched GAP videos GAP Power, Magnetic Amplification & Neutralization and I think it can be easily used to produce something very similar to MEG. Very powerfull.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Armagdn03 View Post
                    ...so how is it possible to get a DC pulsed output on a transformer with a dc input....Its not possible.
                    Nobody is saying that the output pulse will be the same as the input (but bigger). It could be a strange signal, and to be useful, made need a rectifier (with high voltage diodes)and a battery to take the load. There may be spikes.

                    As I see it, the issue is: without the magnet, there will be roughly the same out as in (albeit in a different shaped signal) but with the magnet, the same applies but the flux coming through will be added to the magnet's flux, and so, the output will be as before, but bigger.
                    Last edited by wrtner; 03-03-2010, 12:02 PM.

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                    • #11
                      hmm..

                      Originally posted by wrtner View Post
                      Nobody is saying that the output pulse will be the same as the input (but bigger). It could be a strange signal, and to be useful, made need a rectifier (with high voltage diodes)and a battery to take the load. There may be spikes.

                      As I see it, the issue is: without the magnet, there will be roughly the same out as in (albeit in a different shaped signal) but with the magnet, the same applies but the flux coming through will be added to the magnet's flux, and so, the output will be as before, but bigger.
                      This is what I see it doing. It is gonna boost only one side of the dc pulse. Much like my proposed magnetic diode. It should work but you might have to have another unit but of opposite polarity then take the two and apply it to a load or transformer if the voltage gets to high. One unit for boosted plus then one for boosted negative. Timing could be a bit tricky but I see it working in theory. Weather it works in the real life is up to the experiment to prove.
                      There was an experiment that showed that magnets could boost the bemf collection when used as the make or break contactors. It would be interesting to see if this would increase the output but Also I see one thing stopping it. With the magnets in the core it would be like using a 10v base for the dc pulses and going to 20v on the max. So it would only be 10v gain.
                      ........_______.............20v peek
                      ........|.........|
                      ........|.........|
                      _____|.........|_____... 10v base voltage...... The mags would in effect just change the base voltage.

                      A regular transformer would naturally start out at 0 then rise to 10 volts. So I am expecting that you wouldn't see the gain at all but I could be wrong. Experiment away.

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                      • #12
                        Hi Jbignes5
                        That's how I see it,just moving the base,so no gain,unless there is some way to get round it.
                        peter

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                        • #13
                          Well

                          Originally posted by petersone View Post
                          Hi Jbignes5
                          That's how I see it,just moving the base,so no gain,unless there is some way to get round it.
                          peter
                          As I suggested they could do both polarities and then sum them to get more i think... Here is an example:
                          ..........._______.....<-20v+
                          ...........|.........|
                          ...........|.........|
                          _______|.........|______ Base 10 from magnet

                          _______.........._______ Base 10 from magnet
                          ...........|........|
                          ...........|........|
                          ...........|_____|.....<-20v-

                          Add them together and you get 40v ac swing. You would need to time it so that the wave looks like this:

                          ...........______.....<-20v+
                          ..........|.........|....
                          ..........|.........|....
                          ______|.........|.........._______ =40v peek to peek??? out of a 20v input?
                          ....................|..........|
                          ....................|..........|
                          ....................|______|....<-20v-

                          Thats how I was trying to explain it earlier. But I might be wrong as well about this.

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                          • #14
                            Hi Jbignes5
                            Unless I'm missing something,base 10 plus 10 is 20,but base 10-10 is zero, unless you are somehow turning the mag. around,what am I missing?
                            peter

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by petersone View Post
                              Hi Jbignes5
                              Unless I'm missing something,base 10 plus 10 is 20,but base 10-10 is zero, unless you are somehow turning the mag. around,what am I missing?
                              peter
                              Don't forget that we should get some heavy BEMF voltages on
                              both sides - the input and the output. There should be a need for
                              a diode to stop the 555 from getting trashed and rectifiers to feed
                              these pulses back to a couple of batteries (one for the input side
                              and one for the output side; I'm not sure we can connect them
                              together).

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