Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[a.king21]

Zilano

Farmhand: I agree with you re Zilano's wrong use of terms. But remember experts very rarely create anything - Mavericks do. So Mavericks explain things according to their own understanding.
This is always one of the problems facing clasically trained physicists - they have to understand everything on their terms. If someone uses laymen's terms to try and convey a meaning it's very easy for a trained individual to pounce on semantic errors.
That's why I constantly refer to Tesla/Zilano/Don Smith/Kapanadze similarities. That way we can discern the truth regardless of wrong terminology used.
Whatever we may think of Don Smith or Zilano it is certain that Kapanadze did it.(And of course Tesla).
So we can agree the following
1 spark gap is important
2 L1 to L2 ratio has to be quarter wave or multiple of same - subject to Tesla's variations.
3 L1 to L2 coupling has to be loose
4 Ground wire affects wavelength if coupled direct and not blinded by a capacitor.
5 OU exists
6 L1 to L2 coupling is a radio coupling as well as inductive.
7 Resonance is vital. No resonance - No OU.
8 Resonant output transformer is vital
9 Zilano has given us answers to some of Don Smith's intentionally omitted secrets. ie resonant output transformer and possible use of ferite.

[Slovenia]

Fantastic!!

Fantastic a.king21!!!

Thanks for putting this together for us!!!

Farmhand: I agree with you re Zilano's wrong use of terms. But remember experts very rarely create anything - Mavericks do. So Mavericks explain things according to their own understanding.
This is always one of the problems facing clasically trained physicists - they have to understand everything on their terms. If someone uses laymen's terms to try and convey a meaning it's very easy for a trained individual to pounce on semantic errors.
That's why I constantly refer to Tesla/Zilano/Don Smith/Kapanadze similarities. That way we can discern the truth regardless of wrong terminology used.
Whatever we may think of Don Smith or Zilano it is certain that Kapanadze did it.(And of course Tesla).
So we can agree the following
1 spark gap is important
2 L1 to L2 ratio has to be quarter wave or multiple of same - subject to Tesla's variations.
3 L1 to L2 coupling has to be loose
4 Ground wire affects wavelength if coupled direct and not blinded by a capacitor.
5 OU exists
6 L1 to L2 coupling is a radio coupling as well as inductive.
7 Resonance is vital. No resonance - No OU.
8 Resonant output transformer is vital
9 Zilano has given us answers to some of Don Smith's intentionally omitted secrets. ie resonant output transformer and possible use of ferite.

[duff]

Hi, will you be using the FEP16JT on the secondary side too?

On the Farnell picture they have three terminals. Is this correct?

No, the diode is not rated for the voltage coming off the secondary.

Yes 3 terminals, The FEP16XX packages are handy for paralleling diodes.

[Duncan]

Hi Duncan, do arrestors run out?

What great ebaying!

Ive had one of these things connected to a 10Kv NST for a week or so now just to try it out .. no problems at all, and no change, very much like a big version of a little neon indicator I have had a look on Farnell for the life ex its +/- 6 years continious operation, what does worry a bit is Mr Clean is very clear that an ajustable SG is very important in the setting up.
Regards Duncan

[GSM]

After studying some of the links you kindly provided (Eue Jin, Correa ..) I got the strong feeling that the spark should:
1. come out of a capacitor (Tesla, Eue Jin)

2. provide energy to a resonant circuit (Zilano, Don, Eue Jin)

3. make use of the section of glow discharge (Correa -> saturated glow discharge). This is probably somewhere before the arcing area -> about 100mA (see graph at end of Korean patent). This is probably what Tesla stated as "spark thoroughly adjusted...." Don used small sparks and plasma tubes as well.

4. probably triggered synchronously with the resonating frequency. A glow discharge might be easyer to control compared to an arcing. (ignite / quench)


5. A positive push at most negative voltage point might be the correct point in order to make use of the Tseung effect. He states that this effect is valid in mechanics and at electrical oscillations. Push the "pendulum" hard exactly at turnaround point. The trigger can be adjusted to occure at most negative voltage swing in the coil.

Since there are many approaches for OU the notions above relate to the case if we intend to make use of sparks. It does not state that sparks are the only way.

Hi John.

Moray did this too; and I recon Tesla in his Pearce Arrow demo as well.
Moray was said to have designed 'sparking capacitors' utilising ground quartz as (piezoelectric) 'insulation'.

[GSM]

In Zilano's last circuit diagram, the device is described as a "lightning arrestor" which is how Don Smith describes the Gas Discharge Tubes supplied by Farnell, so it would not be unreasonable to consider that device as a spark gap.

The 350-volt supply used for both Zilano's diagram and the patent are so unusual that it seems highly unlikely that they are not related. Zilano's diagonal line from the power supply appears to be the trigger feed of the patent and so those are presumably not two contra-connected diodes, but instead, one triggered SCR connected to a spark gap and one diode, using a simplified circuit which feeds the resonant L1 coil and padding capacitor directly.

However, no matter how slick this circuit is, it is my opinion that we should not be distracted by it, but instead, stick with the basic DonSmith/Zilano design until such time as we understand it fully and can replicate it with ease.

Patrick

Maybe Zilano was meaning one of these.
(Please note I am only up to your post on page 85 quoted here Patrick, been away reading/studying/thinking. If this already shown in the thread then apologies.)Spark Gap tubes evaluation for project.swf - YouTube
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[GSM]

From your Tesla quote -

"So all that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed—only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle."

2012 ?

[GSM]

So the thing to remember in this circuit are the resonant transformers. They really are the key to understanding ou. Again thanks to Zilano for providing the missing piece of Don Smith information - the resonant output transformer.

Smith resonance - YouTube

but the resonance provides no more free energy than can 'free space' or the 'vacuum'.
The resonance (and its transduction) is the means of utiliing the pulses of energy, once developed.

[soundiceuk]

Length and Weight Match of Coils

Hi folks, my assumption was right.

Here are my findings:

4 AWG audio cable cross sectional area = 21.0439mm2

10 AWG audio cable cross sectional area = 5.2615mm2

5.2615mm2 x 4 = 21.046mm2


2 AWG audio cable cross sectional area = 33.4039mm2

8 AWG audio cable cross sectional area = 8.3518mm2

8.3518mm2 x 4 = 33.4072mm2

Almost perfect matches!! :

WIRE - The calculator is towards the bottom.

In the UK our domestic premises are equipped with either a 240v 60amp, 80amp or 100amp fuse.

The 100amp houses have a 25mm2 cable.

Should be a cheap starting point for anyone looking for a quick resonance match. Even better, most audio cable has every foot marked on the insulation.

Think how much juice you could get with the 2 AWG and 8 AWG coil!!!!! FREE ENERGY HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[soundiceuk]

What is so special about the B&W coil construction?

Mr Clean, please can you post a picture of the coil close up?

Cheers

[Dave45]

Its in the coil arrangement, dont you see that, there are countless circuits by very smart people all over the net for years, no ou, because it is the coil arrangement.
If the forums are shut down remember it is in the coil arrangement, and keep working.
dave

[soundiceuk]

Here is a slightly clearer picture. I am working on the Illustrator version.

I do not understand how the gauge of wire is right in your schematic.

Or are your coils only in resonance with length and not weight too?

[Dave45]

something my pic isnt showing because its not three d

[Slovenia]

Mr.clean YouTube Channel (Many Excellent Vids)

For those of you wanting to see Mr.clean's device up close an personal check out the his YouTube offerings. He goes by the name kdkinen on YouTube.

Don Smith Replication by kdkinen

kdkinen - YouTube

[GSM]

terminology

Another Five Star post from Zilano.

How can she get through to us if *we* think she is WRONG ?

It is up to each and every one of *us* to interpret her communication, not only through a language barrier, but also with regard to scientific terms *we* deem should be couched in English language comprehension, even though some words in her country do not even have a conceptual equivalence with ours, English being the poorer in this regard !
Our understanding is not Zilano's responsibility.

Zilano mentioned a ferrite sleeve based transformer. Where this sleeve is too thick, then the electron spin orbits within the material simply cannot remain precessionally aligned (axial coherence), and energy WILL be lost. Also where higher frequency resonance is essential then the overwind might be better insulation gapped slightly from the core to reduce capacitvely coupled voltage interference losses between the wire and the conductive iron molecules within the core. Ferrite is not an insulator at HF. Also the magnetic field generated by sleeve transformers is quite prodigious, so do be careful in case of induction into nearby sensitive equipment.
Any electric current generated within the coil due to electrical loading of the winding arises as a result of core electron orbit/wire turns coupling, so too great a coupling will dampen resonance/efficiency.
TROS - "transformer" - YouTube
The core may be cylindrical or fashioned from many ferrite/iron bars/rods/wires.
Even thin steel pipe might be tried with a longitudinal saw cut to prevent a shorted turn from developing. (Hendershot). And then if that pipe were mostly plain iron ?
At the kind of frequencies being discussed here, then Litz wire would also be better over such an an energised core, especially for the tuned winding.

A (hollow) ferrite toroid with ferrite moulded over a toroidally shaped insulating former would be best, also from a magnetic leakage viewpoint the most clean and least interacting with surroundings, but I am not aware of any suitable ones being manufactured anywhere.

It has been widely stated that this type of circuitry cannot go OU without a spark, and many different types of sparking gap/equipment/supply have been covered.
The use of SS pulsing has been to step-up generate for the HV DC only.
I don't think SS pulsing can efficiently replace a spark gap for Don Smith energisation

There has also been mention of the need for a positive supply to the spark gap for Don type circuitry:
Not negative and not AC, even though both are equally capable of generating really nice sparks.

The requirement has been for a positive discharge, with an extremely fast rise time, plus resonanant timing via coil tuning .......... why ? ......... to bombard the spark gap atom electron orbits with energy on the 'live' end of the coil !
Electron levels change and either radiation is emitted, or levels collapse and the atom transmutates, or high energy electrons knock other electrons out of their molecular valency bonds to produce an electric current, or to generate a plasma, that plasma itself being utilisable through resonantly maintained orbits which can generate EM field, EM radiation, or a scalar avalanche effect into linearly aligned matter (dangerous).

That 'Sea of Energy' we have in the supposed 'Aether' is NOT an energy which can magically be coaxed to flow out of the *free space* we share with all other matter, but it is already stored within the atoms of all matter, including ourselves, and that is why it is so easily released from our bodies with an instantly malodourous molecular change should any HV potential jump our way !

We are seeking to carefully release just a little of that energy, though *SAFELY*. Personally I have no 'hands-on' experience by which to know, and with there being so many variables which might not all be correctly addressed, I really don't know if Don Smith equipment can be deemed safe to operate or not ?

And you know what - for as long as folk believe there is an 'Aether', and they believe there are prodigious amounts of energy to be drawn from it - they will NEVER find what they are looking for - whilst all the time TPTB and classically trained scientists will ridicule and watch with bemusement !

Not for long though, for they too have much to learn, and 2012 WILL be the year of change !
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