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  • #16
    Part 8, Crew Cabin and Landing Gear

    The Crew Cabin is stationary relative to the other clockwise and counterclockwise rotating components. This Crew Cabin may house: humans/animals, electrical circuitry, control systems, etc. The Crew Cabin is set on the top of the Outer Hull with one of the Main Shaft Halves sticking through the center.

    X-Ray View Of Cutaway Section.PNG

    You may see there are also portholes in the Crew Cabin for people to presumably look out, it's not necessary to include them in smaller OTC-X1 models unless there's an actual functional purpose to it.

    "Otis T. Carr: This too... this is a... the beginning... of an answer to the solution. We have... capacitor plates and electromagnets... a... as a part of this system. Now... this is counter-rotating. The electromagnets rotate... in one direction... and the... accumulator... the battery... rotates in another. The capacitor plates rotate in conjunction... with the... battery... so that we have a clockwise and counter clockwise rotation. Now... the third system... is the cabin that maintains the crew. This does not rotate. It is fixed... due to the fact that the two bodies are rotating clockwise and counter clockwise as an extenuation of the cabin. Therefore... the system that causes the craft to become... escape from the gravity pull. The craft itself... itself (do) this system... still has internally gravity... because it still has the same weight... that it had in the beginning... there is no lose in weight." (Long John Nebel 4-19-1958 Radio Interview, 1958).

    Keep in mind that the Crew Cabin should be mounted in such a way that it can sit comfortable next to the Outer Hull, and not spontaneously rotate counterclockwise. Remember that the Crew Cabin is in an alcove that is stationary and not connected directly to the Outer Hull, even though its quite close to touching other components. Also, it seems indicative that the material of the Crew Cabin is aluminum or some insulating material due to the colors/shades on the pictures. Now, there are parts of the Otis Carr story that involve more components being present in the Crew Cabin, I will cover those at a later time.

    Now, the Landing Gear is also stationary, the same as the Crew Cabin. The Landing Gear is commonly seen as having 3 hemispheres which are mounted on Y-shaped structural shape, each hemisphere place on each end of the "Y". The below pictures may hopefully give a better illustration of what I'm saying.

    OTC-X1 Toy Plans Side View.PNG
    OTC-X1 Toy Side View.PNG

    OTC_X1 Bottom Half.PNG

    You may see in the first picture, from the OTC-X1 Toy Kit Plans, that part of the Main Shaft Halves sticks into the Landing Gear. This shouldn't interfere with the stationary aspect of the Landing Gear however, and should be engineered with that in mind. Also, in the above picture the hemispheres are replaced with wheels, consider that the above 6-foot model is about 600 pounds, so keep in mind wheels are more practical when the weight of the materials goes up. However, the above model was using mostly machined parts, and the first "flying" 6-foot model was only 16 pounds since it used very light materials.

    "Otis T. Carr: The last one was six feet... when we put a leading edge around... a... six inches... a... of diameter... great than it was before. The... these... the last model that we flew... six feet in diameter... hand made believe me... all but the machine made parts... of the electromagnet and the accumulator.
    Ellery Lanier: What was the weight... of this...?
    Otis T. Carr: The mechanical parts in the model... weighed... a little over... 16 pounds. The... the actual... a frame of the model... weighed two pounds and 7 ounces..." (Long John Nebel 11-15-1958 Radio Interview, 1958).

    "Otis T. Carr: ... it was built light. Believe me... it was built the same as a model airplane. Now... and the heaviest part about it was the... was the... roller skate bearings... which we got for nineteen cents... union hardware." (Long John Nebel 11-15-1958 Radio Interview, 1958).

    600 Pound OTC-X1 Saucer Model.jpg


    1. The Crew Cabin is located in an alcove in the top half of the Outer Hull. The Crew Cabin is stationary and doesn't rotate clockwise or counterclockwise, but has part of the Main Shaft Halve sticking through the center of the Crew Cabin. The Crew Cabin could include: control systems, human/animal accommodations on larger OTC-X1 craft, or other useful components/systems. The material of the Crew Cabin appears to be aluminum or an insulating material, since control devices and humans are housed in the Crew Cabin care should be taken to insulate the cabin from electrical sources.
    2. The Landing Gear is located in an alcove in the bottom half of the Outer Hull. The Landing Gear should be stationary relative to the other rotating components, it does not rotate. The Landing Gear may support the OTC-X1 Circular-Foil Spacecraft using 3 hemisphere's, or 3 wheels depending on the weight of the model. The Landing Gear has part of the Main Shaft Halves sticking into the structure of the Landing Gear, however it should not effect its stationary behavior. Also, The Landing Gear's structure seems to be made of an insulating material, while the hemispheres seem to be made of a metallic (aluminum?) material. However, the Landing Gear itself should be insulated from electrical sources to prevent electrical flow in unwanted places.

    Long John Nebel 4-19-1958 Radio Interview Transcript Part 1:
    Long John Nebel 11-15-1958 Radio Interview Transcript Part 1:
    OTC-X1 Toy Kit Plans:
    The Saucers That Time Forgot (The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr - Part 3: The Trial): https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blo...carr-part.html
    Otis T. Carr and Dimensions of Mystery Facebook Page:
    WKY KTVY KFOR Archives Video (F2013.134.1.00208):


    • #17
      Part 9, Remote Control System and Control Systems

      This post will cover the Remote Control System or other control systems that may be present in the OTC-X1. There isn't very much material on this system, but it's necessary for controlling an OTC-X1 Circular-Foil Spacecraft without any attachments to devices on the ground. It seems assumed that the Remote Control System would have the capabilities for controlling the electrical properties of the circuit, Circuit Breakers or other devices that can be controlled by radio.

      "Otis T. Carr: They were our... counter rotating bearings. And... the... other... material... weighed approximately a little over... sixteen pounds. Now... we had... a little electronic... built by the guy from the model shop... the same... as the boys use... in model airplanes... a little timer... and this functioned beautifully... with a... couple of batteries. So that a... a... we had... a system of remote control... shutting on and off power. Which worked on the ground. But when this... craft became airborne... my little system... refused to work... and I lost this craft. It went out of sight." (Long John Nebel 11-15-1958 Radio Interview).

      As in the above quote, it should be of concern to consider how the control system may be affected while an OTC-X1 is "flying". It seems likely that the counter rotating dielectric and magnetic fields have contributed to the Remote Control System failing in Carr's sixth successful test flight. So, precaution will need to be taken when choosing to engineering a control system that is radio-like in nature. However, it should be remembered from the above quote that a simple option to controlling an OTC-X1 model is just through controlling one Circuit Breaker (electrical relay).

      Another conception of a control system may be considered when the OTC-X1 is closer to the ground.

      "Otis T. Carr: Yes... now... this... the circuit breaking rheostat... a... a... regulators... and all of the standard electrical equipment. We have really unique control... panel... which has... for each electromagnet where the circuit is first made... and where the power system begins... we have one control for that. So that our control panel here consists... of... of a circle... of twelve... of these controls. Now... bisecting this by... a horizontal and vertical line... we can go in any direction... by changing this field. As these magnets... magnets go through this field... by reducing them... we go in this direction." (Long John Nebel 11-15-1958 Radio Interview).

      I don't think a fancy control system the Otis Carr has proposed above is necessary, however a control system with sufficient functional purpose is something I recommend. Also, for people who want to consider the future consideration of however the OTC-X1 actually works, keep in mind the quote above is a clue to how its true propulsive action may be linked to.


      1. The Remote Control System may be looked at as practically a common radio system to control something wirelessly. This Remote Control System appears to have been used in the past by Carr to control the switching of a Circuit Breaker, or even other electrical components that can control the circuit of the OTC-X1. It should be experimented and taken into account how the best Remote Control System may be arranged for consistent operation without failure.
      2. Other control systems that are on the ground and not remote, may be realized by additional electrical connections. This may involve a system to control the electrical quantities present in the OTC-X1, and control of Circuit Breakers or other variable components.

      Long John Nebel 11-15-1958 Radio Interview Transcript Part 1:


      • #18
        Part 10, Miscellaneous Components and Details 1

        There are a few components which I haven't covered until now or even listed. This is because I'm talking about them now, in this post. Ultimately, some of the components I may list may not have a fully defined purpose, at least to me. Others have been completely explained in past reference material, so I'll point out those factors.

        Structural Components:

        There are some components I have mentioned in past posts that factor toward the structure of the OTC-X1 itself. These components include: Top/Bottom Mid Ribs, Main Shaft Halves, Landing Gear, Outer Hull, and Equatorial Field Correlator. I may have missed one past component, it has been awhile since I last talked about them. There are some other components that are less obvious, for those other components I would recommend reading what (I've termed) the "OTC-X1 Toykit Plans". I will put them in the references section of this post. I'm not a mechanical engineer or much of a builder, so I feel I cannot give any advice whether "expert" or not, at least right now. So, the people with the better experience on building things are on their own, at least with the structural foundations, and actually "putting the pieces together". Anyway as an example of some of the components I may not have mentioned yet, look at the following pictures.

        OTC-X1 Toy Plans Side View.PNG

        OTC-X1 Toy Plans Bottom Half.PNG

        OTC-X1 Toy Plans Top Half.PNG

        The Elusive "Grounding Point/Antenna"

        There is one interview video of Ralph Ring in 2011, where he responds to a question about a wire sticking out an OTC-X1 model in a picture (video in the references section, 34:06-35:02 for section I'm referring to). Below is the picture I'm talking about.

        OTC-X1 Model on Table.PNG

        At the top you can see what looks like a wire sticking out the top of the model. Anyway, Ralph talks in the video how the aerials were necessary, which would make sense since these craft would sometimes be controlled by a Remote Control System, and levitating around the 65-mile range Otis Carr had in Apple Valley California by early 1960. It would be necessary to have a ground/reference for your radio control system, which has been done in the past with flying apparatuses such as airplanes or helicopters. However, what Ralph mentions next doesn't really make sense to me or seems familiar, he talks about how they were able to "tweak it" so they could "ground into the Earth's magnetic field". I've never heard of such a thing until I heard it from him, it does remind me of "one-wire circuit methods" that impulse currents (people call it radiant energy sometimes) can accomplish, where it's said that one end of the circuit is grounded into counterspace (counterspace just means a kind of located space, inward, into the intermolecular dimensions, nothing magical we need to misrepresent about it). However, there's not really enough information to make a definite conclusion on that, its stuck, an enigma where people can fill the hole with their stuff. I don't think we should jump to conclusions on this, it could be some detail that's actually not very important, or something that's accidentally misrepresented by Ralph Ring, I don't know. It is something for the experimenter to find out what truth lies in this statement.

        Also, the wires sometimes sticking out of these OTC-X1 models should be brought upon. It has been mentioned in the past that Otis Carr used a specific control system that had to directly connected by wires, I'd make sense if that were the case of these wires. Below is an example of what I'm talking about for the wires.

        Norman E. Colton with Crew and Saucer.jpg

        "At the warehouse, Norman Colton warned photographers not to touch the saucer or look at or photograph underneath it. Reporter Gene Campbell took a peek, and reported that it 'revealed nothing more interesting than a tri-wheel landing gear and an electric cord attached to the saucer.'" (The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr - Part 2, 11/5/2020).

        This discussion will be continued in another post...

        OTC-X1 Toy Kit Plans:
        ​​​​​​​Ralph Ring Q&A YouTube Video:
        Ground Plane Wikipedia:
        Ralph Ring's Website Blue Star Enterprise:
        The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr - Part 2: https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blo...rr-part_5.html