wow check this out !

[Samemf]

just found this on youtube

YouTube - Magnetic Motor

from user renderrob

very interesting , and simular to some mods tried on the ssg .


Amazing .

what do you guys think .

Sam

[Jetijs]

Hi Sam,
There was already a thread about this:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa.../1554-pmm.html
So far no one of the enthuziasts have been able to replicate this
Check this guys videos, for example:
YouTube - Eltimple's Channel

Tahnks,
Jetijs

[Samemf]

just found the speed it started spinning at was amazing , pretty good accomplishment ,

in the end he stopped the 2 little stator magnets and the thing sped up .

so in theory he could construct a starter on that last one couldnt he ?


Anyways I wonder what the torque would be ? if any it could take


Sam

[sykavy]

Hi Samemf,
here is a motor that is interesting and seems similar to what Peter Lindemann wants to do.
Jetijs do you think it is legit?

video:
OverUnity Pulse Motor - Doug Konzen

[Jetijs]

Hi sykavy
I have seen this video before. This guy looks a little weird
But his motors look more like an ordinary SSG, its just that he is using a reedswitch to trigger the power coil instead of additional trigger winding. This has nothing to do with Peters attraction motor, except perhaps the principle of the energy recovery.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[sykavy]

yeah he seemed strange. But what he said seemed to make sense from all that I have read. Thanks

[ewebie]

From the strobed videos I've seen of the MPMM, all the stator magnets could easily be geared to the main rotor to maintain optimum timing.

[Peter Lindemann]

Koneheadx

Hi Samemf,
here is a motor that is interesting and seems similar to what Peter Lindemann wants to do.
Jetijs do you think it is legit?

video:
OverUnity Pulse Motor - Doug Konzen

Hi Sykavy,

Doug Konzen has been working on these kinds of motors for many years. He contributes to a lot of different forums and goes by the name koneheadx. The one demonstrated on this YouTube clip looks like a simple Bedini type design with a coil of wire and a wheel with magnets on it. In this case, though, instead of triggering a transistor switch with another coil, he is turning the coil ON and OFF directly using a magnetic reed switch activated by the magnets on the wheel. He then gathers the energy of the inductive collapse through a full-wave-bridge rectifier and charges a second battery with it. As we all know, a single diode would work here, just as well.

The efficiency of this arrangement is very high because the voltage drop on the mechanical contacter/magnetic reed is very low and the switch OFF is very abrupt. The drawback with this method is that the magnetic reed contacts eventually burn out, though they can run for a pretty long time.

This is a good example of just how simple this can get.

Peter

[sykavy]

Hi Sykavy,

Doug Konzen has been working on these kinds of motors for many years. He contributes to a lot of different forums and goes by the name koneheadx. The one demonstrated on this YouTube clip looks like a simple Bedini type design with a coil of wire and a wheel with magnets on it. In this case, though, instead of triggering a transistor switch with another coil, he is turning the coil ON and OFF directly using a magnetic reed switch activated by the magnets on the wheel. He then gathers the energy of the inductive collapse through a full-wave-bridge rectifier and charges a second battery with it. As we all know, a single diode would work here, just as well.

The efficiency of this arrangement is very high because the voltage drop on the mechanical contacter/magnetic reed is very low and the switch OFF is very abrupt. The drawback with this method is that the magnetic reed contacts eventually burn out, though they can run for a pretty long time.

This is a good example of just how simple this can get.

Peter

Hi Peter,
Thanks for the info. Sorrry for coming off a little too judgemental of Doug. He seemed to be saying the right things from what I've read about energy recovery but he just seemed to be a little eccentric. Anyway the more pieces of the puzzle out there helps us all to understand this stuff better.

I have been hearing this more and more that a

Peter wrote: mechanical contacter

, in this case a reed switch, is better for this kind of recovery system, than say optical switch that tends to be more solid state. Is this true?


Anyway again thanks for all you insights and knowledge!

[Peter Lindemann]

Mechanical Contacters

Hi Peter,
Thanks for the info. Sorrry for coming off a little too judgemental of Doug. He seemed to be saying the right things from what I've read about energy recovery but he just seemed to be a little eccentric. Anyway the more pieces of the puzzle out there helps us all to understand this stuff better.

I have been hearing this more and more that a, in this case a reed switch, is better for this kind of recovery system, than say optical switch that tends to be more solid state. Is this true?


Anyway again thanks for all you insights and knowledge!

Sykavy,

Those of us who know Doug know he is ..... a little "high strung", so to speak. We ALL have our faults and idiosyncrasies, so the fact that Doug has a few is no big deal. He builds stuff that works.

John Bedini has been saying that mechanical contacters work best for over 15 years. The problem is longevity of operation. Transistors are more reliable, but slightly less efficient for the application. In 12 volt systems, a transistor can have an "unrecoverable" voltage drop of up to 1.2 volts, which is 10% of the energy lost to the switch. This means that systems that use solid-state switching are more efficient when run on higher voltages. A good, clean mechanical contacter can have anywhere from 0 to about .2 volts drop across it. This represents only about a 2% loss across the switch, when it is working properly. This is much better in low voltage systems.

There are a number of methods that can be employed to protect the contacter from damage caused by the arcing that Doug shows on the film. Each of these methods consumes a little more power that is unrecoverable, so the simplest methods are always the best. The circuits that do these things are a constant compromise between efficiency (least losses) and practicality (works the longest time without malfunction). Each experimenter finds his own balance.

Peter