Leon Dragone | Energetics of Ferromagnetism

[Aaron]

I've had this PDF for a long time but never had time to experiment with these concepts. The very specific thing I wanted to learn about was using magnets as a core in an electromagnet. That is when I stumbled upon this.

Leon Dragone | Energetics of Ferromagnetism

If anyone has understanding of all of this, please contribute your understanding to this thread.

[Aaron]

Leon Dragone references

Google Leon Dragone Search:
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www.intalek.com/Papers/DragoneAnalysis.pdf

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/NewMcool.htm

[Aaron]

Electric arc explosion: A thermal paradox

Does anyone have a copy of this?

Leon Dragone Electric arc explosion: A thermal paradox J. Appl. Phys., V.62, 1987, p.3477-3479

[Vortex]

Electric arc explosions: A thermal paradox BUY THIS ARTICLE (US$24)

[Vortex]

Warm and Fuzzy Feelings?

I do not claim any understanding.
I have a "feel" (fuzzy and generic) for some of the magnet info I've recently been finding.

We all know magnets lose power/force/energy when heated.
Since the source of that energy/magnetism are 4 vortexes (see 3D image)
(Ref Link : Secret World of Magnets), then heat would slow the vortex down and
thus a loss of energy would be the expected result.
If this is correct, you would expect a reverse in cooling up to maybe a threshold point? (it should be infinite)

The Electromagnet, and Electromagnetic Mechanism
The mentions conditions under which strength increases when cooled
more so than the heating decreases strength.

This is typical of a vortex, cooling of input would increase the vortex output strength.

Vacuum + Sunlight = Vortexes
What is causing the vortex .. magnetism?

A curious read under catagory: Religion & Spirituality, is here, this guy said:
"The Spirit tells them how to behave" speaking about how he lit an
LED with a magnet and heating/cooling it.

Why can not you cause a ram pump or water hammer like effect in with
a magnetic field?
Two bar magnets end to end have a field of one twice as long.
If one of them suddenly vanished, then pole/magnetism that was in contact with
the vanishing pole would have to reform.
Would not that be a surge or a movement in some kind of direction?
How fast is magnetism?

just food for
Randy

[Vortex]

Alpha Institute for Advanced Study (AIAS)
Unified Field Theory papers
126 pdfs, many about magnetism

[Ted Ewert]

I've had this PDF for a long time but never had time to experiment with these concepts. The very specific thing I wanted to learn about was using magnets as a core in an electromagnet. That is when I stumbled upon this.

Leon Dragone | Energetics of Ferromagnetism

If anyone has understanding of all of this, please contribute your understanding to this thread.

It's not a very clear paper, but from what I could tell he is using a permanent magnet for a core in a coil and turning it "off and on". He wonders where all the magnetic field has gone once he turned the magnet "off".
Just because no external magnetic field is measurable outside the coil doesn't mean the field has disappeared. It has merely been compressed back into the magnet.
The rest of the paper is a garbled mess.

Ted

[Spearmaster]

arc switch

Mr Dragone makes reference to an "arc switch" that "has a shut off time of 5 microsec for a current of 60 Amps as demonstated on the scope."

Does anyone have any information on this 'arc-switch' ? If it's not huge and complicated, it might be used to quickly shut off the capacitors in the Ed Gray experiments.

There is a much better copy of the original paper referenced by Aaron here:

http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Energeti...%20Dragone.pdf

Later,
Carl

[Aaron]

free article

Electric arc explosions: A thermal paradox BUY THIS ARTICLE (US$24)

I'm looking for it freely available online.

[Spearmaster]

Leon Dragone experiment

While fiddling around on Google looking for Leon Dragone, I found a snippet of an email by Bill McMurty (1998) on Keeleynet that seems to sum it up quite nicely;

>>>>>
Leon Dragone outlines the very simple nature of his electrical 'heat pump' effect. His system consists of nothing more than a coil, a magnet, a power supply, and a switch. He places a permanent magnet within a copper coil and energizes the coil so that the external field of the magnet is removed/compressed from the space around the magnet, without changing the polarity domains within the magnet itself. He then employs an arc switch (simple contacts) to quickly disconnect the power supply from the coil, and leaves the coil open circuit. Suddenly the field of the permanent magnet is free to expand back out to its 'normal' geometry around the magnet. But the process of expanding this field requires work. The coil is open circuit, so the energy can not be drawn from current in the coil. The field must reinstate itself. Energy is drawn from the vibrating molecular domains within the magnet, causing a measured drop in temperature of the magnet. Essentially, ambient heat is transformed into work to reinstate the field. Any inductive load applied while the field is expanding/relaxing is driven by extraction of ambient heat energy from the surrounding environment. Dragone claims to have measured experimental system energy gains on the order of 20:1, using this approach.
<<<<<

That seems to meet the criteria of radiant energy or negative energy and serves to explain the 'cold electricity' effect. Note that he also states that any inductive load applied at this time will also be powered by ambient heat. Hmmm, Bedini/Bearden keep saying the same thing. Sorry, thinking and talking at the same time .


Later,
Carl

[Ted Ewert]

Mr Dragone makes reference to an "arc switch" that "has a shut off time of 5 microsec for a current of 60 Amps as demonstated on the scope."

Does anyone have any information on this 'arc-switch' ? If it's not huge and complicated, it might be used to quickly shut off the capacitors in the Ed Gray experiments.

There is a much better copy of the original paper referenced by Aaron here:

http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Energeti...%20Dragone.pdf

Later,
Carl

5 microseconds is slow by today's standards. The nominal shutoff time of an IGBT is in the tens of nanoseconds range. 60 amps is a lot of current to use to turn "off" a magnet, but certainly well within the range of an IGBT. Perhaps Mr Dragone performed these experiments before the advent of fast, high power semiconductor switches.

Ted

[Ted Ewert]

While fiddling around on Google looking for Leon Dragone, I found a snippet of an email by Bill McMurty (1998) on Keeleynet that seems to sum it up quite nicely;

>>>>>
Leon Dragone outlines the very simple nature of his electrical 'heat pump' effect. His system consists of nothing more than a coil, a magnet, a power supply, and a switch. He places a permanent magnet within a copper coil and energizes the coil so that the external field of the magnet is removed/compressed from the space around the magnet, without changing the polarity domains within the magnet itself. He then employs an arc switch (simple contacts) to quickly disconnect the power supply from the coil, and leaves the coil open circuit. Suddenly the field of the permanent magnet is free to expand back out to its 'normal' geometry around the magnet. But the process of expanding this field requires work. The coil is open circuit, so the energy can not be drawn from current in the coil. The field must reinstate itself. Energy is drawn from the vibrating molecular domains within the magnet, causing a measured drop in temperature of the magnet. Essentially, ambient heat is transformed into work to reinstate the field. Any inductive load applied while the field is expanding/relaxing is driven by extraction of ambient heat energy from the surrounding environment. Dragone claims to have measured experimental system energy gains on the order of 20:1, using this approach.
<<<<<

That seems to meet the criteria of radiant energy or negative energy and serves to explain the 'cold electricity' effect. Note that he also states that any inductive load applied at this time will also be powered by ambient heat. Hmmm, Bedini/Bearden keep saying the same thing. Sorry, thinking and talking at the same time .


Later,
Carl

That's very interesting, thanks for finding it. I'm doing some experiments right now that are similar to this, only my magnet is in a keeper.

Ted

[Aaron]

timing

The effects can be had in the low microsecond range.

[dave_cahoon]

The Hissing gap &amp; Old Memorys

He wrote about a hissing arc gap somewhere.

I was able to recreate (92?) the hissing arc gap effect
with a light bulb and an ignition coil.

I used; Function generator, sine waves.
low volt lamp (stick type) function gen could light the bulb.
I than ran a old can type automobile ignition coil with FG.
When I had the hissing gas sound from the GAP. The lamp
would light at hivolts. As if i got the current back.
An EE at work said "Your resonating the filament"

State A Bulb connects to FG.
State B Bulb connects from HV to gap to gnd.

One thing I cant remember is, if i had a door knob cap
from hv to gnd. If I did it was 500mmf 30kv.

It was easy to repeat. And cool as the sparking effects
could still be seen inside the bulb along with the hot filament.

Dave

[Aaron]

filament resonator

Very cool Dave!

Have you seen anything on youtube that closely matches your experiment or do you have a diagram easy for anyone to understand?