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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi bromikey, yes, not very good efficiency as it is.
    Though guess it's possible it could be improved with more coil/cores, maybe.

    Been thinking about alex's magnetic diode design.

    So I pulled out the replication coil/core built previously.
    And used a small jewelers screw driver to test for magnetic flux.

    Then powered the generator coil with a battery, to see how much the screw driver is attracted to various parts of the core.
    It seems like the core may be saturating too much, for this design to work well with the core I have used.

    So the core needs to be a proper size, or a core that allows the induced magnetic flux to create a good magnetic loop upon itself.
    And thus, reduce to the greatest extent, the lenz effect slowing down the magnet rotor.

    So tried a large TV ferrite yoke with coil on one side, then placed a gap spacer on one side and powered up the coil to see and detect magnetic flux with the screw driver.
    Much more magnetic flux was created with this coil, as it was much lower resistance, and yet, with the larger core, it seemed to be able to accept the flux from the coil much better and create a better magnetic loop upon itself.

    So the screw driver was not attracted very much, at the junction where the rotating magnet would interact with and induce lenz, when in generator mode with rotating magnets.
    Maybe 50% or less reduction in lenz magnetic field, at the interaction point.

    So to conclude, with the magnetic diode design of Alex Manzanero, the core needs to of proper size or type, to be able to absorb the lenz induced magnetic flux, that is caused by the rotating magnet.
    To then create a sufficient magnet loop around the core and upon itself, to reduce to the greatest degree, lenz slowdown of the generator rotor.
    peace love light
    Last edited by SkyWatcher; 12-02-2019, 01:54 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Okay thx SKY so on efficiency 1watt=input as per a previous post
    and a 150mw output to the led. Got it. So maybe try 2 bulbs or 3 bulbs
    to see if there is an increase?

    So the COP is what right now?

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi bromikey, just checked the output.
    Output is 39.5 volts dc @ 3.8 milliamps or 150 milliwatts at led bulb.
    Compared to an input current increase of 39 milliwatts.

    Oddly though, the standard 6 watt led bulb is fairly bright.

    I also have a 10uF-200v electrolytic capacitor, in series with the multistrand coil, into the AC of the bridge rectifier.

    And yes, these are only experiments to try and replicate the effect with solid state.
    Overall efficiency is another matter.
    peace love light

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  • BroMikey
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    Wow this is good news. I immediately thought about my joule thief
    but mine did not go over 2X. Well then mine had real small windings
    and as I used it the spikes that manifest the extra brightness began
    degrading the LED'S til one by one my bulb got wrecked.

    Also using faster diodes helped dramatically on brightness the freq's
    got thru somewhere around 3000hz. This may be a wrong assessment
    on my part. It could have been more an over voltage condition that
    gave more brightness.

    In your case this is different and a simple measurement at the bulb
    will show volts and amps to give the correct power output because
    brightness is relative.

    Still in the end you may have something there like the BiTT or other
    split phase transformers gives on phase shift.

    Do you have correct output power figures yet or wasn't this the goal
    for the time being?

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply.
    Finished the new coil/core setup, using 26 strand-24awg. secondary coil, wound first onto 7" long by 3/4" diameter bailing wire core.
    Then, used 2 layers-single strand primary drive coil, of 18awg. magnet wire on top of the secondary coil.

    The effect can be observed again now.
    With the 555 timer, in astable-duty cycle adjustable mode.
    It seems the duty cycle, needs to be 50% or less, or the effect does not manifest.

    The circuit can be powered up and pulsing the primary coil and the input current observed.
    Then a 6 watt led bulb load can be connected across the DC output of the full wave bridge connected to the series wired multistrand secondary coil.
    The non-modified led bulb is then lighted to a good, particular brightness.
    While this is happening, the input current is not increasing.
    The led bulb is then disconnected and the full wave bridge output is then short circuited, and the input current again, does not increase or decrease.
    The 26 strand, series wired coil is 15.5 ohms.

    The coil is not longer, it just has more capacitance, because of the extra 12 coil strands, wired in series.
    This is probably causing a phase shift or lenz delay.
    Will continue to experiment.
    peace love light

    One correction, set the meter to the 200 miiliamp range and it does increase 2 milliamps, though the light is much brighter than that 39 milliwatt increase.
    The circuit uses 1 watt at the moment.
    Though, it is the effect that is being sought, at the moment.
    Maybe the frequency and duty cycle needs to be tweaked a little more or a few more strands are needed to stop any increase in current.
    Last edited by SkyWatcher; 11-29-2019, 10:21 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
    Hi all, just wanted to specify, the updated solid state version was using the lower strand secondary, 14 strands instead of the 26 strand previously used.

    So, will use the 26 strand this time and see the results, for the solid state experiments.
    Though also plan to continue working on and testing the mechanical, flux shifting generator design.
    peace love light
    So it looks like the 26 strand being a little longer gives you some phase
    shift. Good coupling,bad coupling still requires data on input-outputs same
    as the mechanical design where magnets whip by your coil instead

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi all, just wanted to specify, the updated solid state version was using the lower strand secondary, 14 strands instead of the 26 strand previously used.

    So, will use the 26 strand this time and see the results, for the solid state experiments.
    Though also plan to continue working on and testing the mechanical, flux shifting generator design.
    peace love light

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi bromikey, thanks for that.
    Point taken, I will not throw out ideas shared and you are probably correct, dave is trying to help guide in a good direction.
    peace love light

    Oh, tested the improved inductive coupling version SSLS 1.0 and so far, am not seeing the same effect.
    The multifilar secondary cranks out the power, though the amps increase with it.

    Also made a quick test with the flux shifting mechanical generator, similar to this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2NH8t8WC6E

    I secured 4 iron or steel slugs to the iron weight lifting plate and spinning slowly by hand, can get 1.2 vac.
    The coil/core gap to iron slug is not very tight, plan to make an axial version, to get tighter air gap and then add many more iron slugs around the rotor.
    What's interesting is, is that one could use a large diameter wheel, rotor probably doesn't need to be iron and we could place 100 or more flux extending slugs and really make some power.
    Last edited by SkyWatcher; 11-26-2019, 05:03 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
    Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply and sharing again your confirmation.
    One other point to make here. Remember the thread "ANOTHER BASIC
    FREE ENERGY DEVICE" huh? Do ya? Well I got to thinkin that how
    it resembles the diode arrangement Alex is showing. We need to be
    led to find the reason why Dave said that.

    Hum.... So let's not throw out the idea. K?

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
    Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply and sharing again your confirmation.

    Yes, the solid state version does the same thing it seems.

    Have time today to finish the new solid state version.
    We shall call it, SSLS 1.0 (Solid State Lenz Shift 1.0).
    peace love light
    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    I was using a 300 watt AC bulb as my load and thought it would be interesting to use a small AC motor I have. To my surprise, the lower voltage was able to speed up the run motor when the AC motor was used as load. In fact, I was able to LOWER the voltage quite a bit.
    Yes let's call it SSLS so folks know it is a solid state test. Have you tried
    other loads like Dave is talking about here?

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply and sharing again your confirmation.

    Yes, the solid state version does the same thing it seems.

    Have time today to finish the new solid state version.
    We shall call it, SSLS 1.0 (Solid State Lenz Shift 1.0).
    peace love light

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    It looks like testing of the multi strand series connected coil to offset or delay Lenz has been discontinued.
    I found that the simplest method. It is NOT the only one though.
    Here is another:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=GOGpE6AXDUI

    If you guys are SERIOUS about this stuff, you will find a way.
    He doesn’t have everything exactly right, but he is close enough
    that if you replicate you will figure out the rest.
    I went thru Alex video's some in Spanish and some in English. One video
    shows the diode arrangement with double coil producing power to
    the light using 200 turns on each coil without drawing more current
    on the drive motor. Without the diode arrangement, just using half
    like a normal or conventional coil the increase goes as follows.

    850ma= free wheeling rotor then upon powering the light goes up
    to 950ma with a single standard coil. This is normal generating as
    used today. This is a 100ma increase.

    The diode style does not drag down the rotor more than 10ma yet
    still generates the same power (guessing) lighting the light.

    This is a definite improvement. However with my coils the amp draw
    of the drive motors goes way down while producing more power. I
    like mine better. Thanks to you.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi turion, thanks for the reply.
    No, it has not been discontinued.
    Solid state test results, using the series connected, multistrand coil, have been positive so far.
    What exactly is occurring and is it similar to the mechanical version, maybe.
    Working on a simple version to improve inductive coupling with the multifilar secondary.

    Also plan to make tests with a generator Alex Manzanero showed in one of his videos. Though have built something similar in the past.
    Plan to use a 10 pound, iron weight lifting plate and some short ferromagnetic extension pieces off that rotor, to alter the magnetic flux from a neo magnet backed coil/core.
    The idea is, that with such a mass of iron, the maximum amount of flux can be shifted away from the coil/core, that has a neo magnet attached to the back side and it might generate some good power that way, we shall see.
    peace love light

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  • Turion
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    Lenz Free

    It looks like testing of the multi strand series connected coil to offset or delay Lenz has been discontinued. I found that the simplest method. It is NOT the only one though. Here is another:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=GOGpE6AXDUI

    If you guys are SERIOUS about this stuff, you will find a way. He doesn’t have everything exactly right, but he is close enough that if you replicate you will figure out the rest.
    Last edited by Turion; 11-23-2019, 06:37 PM.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi lotec, thanks for the reply.
    It seems like the duty cycle is not as important as a proper frequency, probably enough to cause a delay.
    With the 26 strand coil, it definitely has some capacitance, just sitting there with a meter connected, a voltage is gathered and when touching the wire ends, more than 12 volts is held.

    I'm building a different version at the moment, to try and improve the inductive coupling to the multistrand secondary coil.

    This version uses a 14 strand-24awg. magnet wire coil, wound first on the core.
    Then a low turn primary will be wound on top of that.
    This core is somewhat longer, to spread out the winding's and keep the primary winding closer to the core.
    Had limited output on the secondary, with the previous versions inline coil geometry.
    peace love light

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