The bistander thread

[Turion]

Testing of input and output with two coils WILL be done today. Won’t pick my stuff up until tomorrow. By then the switch will also be here. Won’t have all my coils for the machine for a few more days, but that gives me some time to get it put together. Coils are easy to add.

[BroMikey]

Make that bet and I’ll be happy to take your money. Put it where your MOUTH is. I’m willing. But you’re just a coward.

Or show us all his PP rebuttal, I can't wait.

[Turion]

Make that bet and I’ll be happy to take your money. Put it where your MOUTH is. I’m willing. But you’re just a coward.

[BroMikey]

I found Bye's rotor. Isn't it wonderful? FREE ENERGY

[bistander]

The truth needs no silly games or cute words. I stand with truth, and fact, reality, science. By all means, prove me wrong, show us all that you have not lied. Do it clearly and cleanly using simultaneous meter readings on the input and output without using your usual erroneous extrapolations and assumptions.
bi

[Turion]

THEN HOW ABOUT THAT BET, COWARD! Put your money where your mouth is. But you won't. Because you will lose and you know it. You avoid a bet like the plague. DO you think no one notices? Do you think it isn't apparent to everyone that you won't stand behind your words? That you have no backbone? LOL

WRONG? YOU, WRONG? ABSOLUTELY

As the poet said....(kinda)

How wrong can you BE? Let me count the ways.
You are wrong to the depth and breadth and height
YOUR soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of being and ideal grace.
You are incorrect to the level of every day's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
You are wrong as often as MOST men strive for right.

[bistander]

My intention is to go to Sacramento tomorrow. I would go today, but my friend there is a little tied up with his wife giving birth today, so not a really good time. The coils have been removed from the machine, but I’m sure we could stick them back in, since my reason for going there in the first place is to pick some up. So yes, I can take a video.

pmg, I believe I have your email address, and I will send you a link. It may not be until Sunday as I will be getting back late tomorrow.

bi, I will be happy to post a link for you the moment you make that bet. Can’t admit when you’re wrong. Just avoid it. Won’t put your money where your mouth is. You are just a distraction. I have no desire to EVER prove anything to you. And no reason to.

Can’t admit when you’re wrong.

No, actually I can and do admit when I am wrong. It is something that I seek, and I consider it a learning experience. There have been a couple of occasions on this board, but I have never been wrong in anything I've said about your project.
bi

[Turion]

My intention is to go to Sacramento tomorrow. I would go today, but my friend there is a little tied up with his wife giving birth today, so not a really good time. The coils have been removed from the machine, but I’m sure we could stick them back in, since my reason for going there in the first place is to pick some up. So yes, I can take a video.

pmg, I believe I have your email address, and I will send you a link. It may not be until Sunday as I will be getting back late tomorrow.

bi, I will be happy to post a link for you the moment you make that bet. Can’t admit when you’re wrong. Just avoid it. Won’t put your money where your mouth is. You are just a distraction. I have no desire to EVER prove anything to you. And no reason to.

[bistander]

Yes, the word law can apply to the study of "law", which would mean the study of "laws", plural. But that is not the contest you used it in. You said "Newton's Law." In that context, law is singular and you know it. Nice try, but no cigar. But that's your MO isn't it. Never admit you're wrong. Always attempt to squirm out from under. How about that bet? Did you think I would forget? You can't squirm out of that either. Put up or shut up. You are without a doubt the biggest phony I have ever had the misfortune to run across.

The only "stupid" person here is you, if you don't know which of Newton's laws apply or how, since YOU'RE the one who brought it up in the first place. Can't decide? LOL. Read a book. That's all you're good for anyway.

Yes, I DO have a working machine. That is not a lie. It outputs considerably more than is input. It is the old clunker we have been using to test coil configurations and core material. Funny thing. With the OLD coils, that only put out 120-130 volts at .5 amps, it wouldn't be worth looking at, but the NEW coils put out 270 volts at .75 amps. It is sitting in my friends garage. With just two coils (and their cores) in it, it outputs more than it takes to run. That's why the EE that was there a couple weeks ago brought his boss back to so it. Is it putting out 1,800 to 2,000 watts? No it is not. But it IS outputting around 400 watts on an input of less than 200 watts. That was enough to impress the EE. And it does not even have the magnetic neutralization dialed in. Just "neutral" coils. With only two coils the "drag" is minimal. So you can babble all you want about this stuff not working. The truth is on the bench.

Can you post a video of it? Would be nice to see it in live in action.

Hi pmg,

Good luck with that request. It is basically what I asked him to do 6 years ago, and ever since.

Regards,
bi

Turion,

Thanks for, at least, clarification on your most recent claim of having a functioning over unity device "outputting around 400 watts on an input of less than 200 watts."

I'm with pmgriphone. Please post a video of it live in action, actually doing what you claim.
bi

[pmgriphone]

It is sitting in my friends garage. With just two coils (and their cores) in it, it outputs more than it takes to run. That's why the EE that was there a couple weeks ago brought his boss back to so it. Is it putting out 1,800 to 2,000 watts? No it is not. But it IS outputting around 400 watts on an input of less than 200 watts. That was enough to impress the EE. And it does not even have the magnetic neutralization dialed in. Just "neutral" coils. With only two coils the "drag" is minimal. So you can babble all you want about this stuff not working. The truth is on the bench.

Can you post a video of it? Would be nice to see it in live in action.

[Turion]

Yes, the word law can apply to the study of "law", which would mean the study of "laws", plural. But that is not the contest you used it in. You said "Newton's Law." In that context, law is singular and you know it. Nice try, but no cigar. But that's your MO isn't it. Never admit you're wrong. Always attempt to squirm out from under. How about that bet? Did you think I would forget? You can't squirm out of that either. Put up or shut up. You are without a doubt the biggest phony I have ever had the misfortune to run across.

The only "stupid" person here is you, if you don't know which of Newton's laws apply or how, since YOU'RE the one who brought it up in the first place. Can't decide? LOL. Read a book. That's all you're good for anyway.

Yes, I DO have a working machine. That is not a lie. It outputs considerably more than is input. It is the old clunker we have been using to test coil configurations and core material. Funny thing. With the OLD coils, that only put out 120-130 volts at .5 amps, it wouldn't be worth looking at, but the NEW coils put out 270 volts at .75 amps. It is sitting in my friends garage. With just two coils (and their cores) in it, it outputs more than it takes to run. That's why the EE that was there a couple weeks ago brought his boss back to so it. Is it putting out 1,800 to 2,000 watts? No it is not. But it IS outputting around 400 watts on an input of less than 200 watts. That was enough to impress the EE. And it does not even have the magnetic neutralization dialed in. Just "neutral" coils. With only two coils the "drag" is minimal. So you can babble all you want about this stuff not working. The truth is on the bench.

[bistander]

How about your ignorance of the fact that Newton is credited with THREE laws, not one and your constant babbling about "Newton's Law" shows how little you know. So which of the three laws is it that you believe applies here? And how? I have no illogical reasoning. I have a working device. Pretty hard to make THAT go away by wishing and babbling. I have my observations. I have my results. I'm very happy with all of those. You have nothing, which is what you deserve.

The noun law can be countable or uncountable. Look it up. And "which" applies, you ask. That's stupid.
bi
edit:

You said "I have a working device."

That is a lie. You do not have a device which works as you have claimed.

Oh yeah, you'll say I put words (as you have claimed) in your mouth. So tell us, what do you mean by working? Sitting in your shop spinning and looking black and beautiful while producing no excess energy?

[Turion]

Yes, because this is your ignorance of Newton's Law and related physics manifesting in illogical reasoning on your part.

How about your ignorance of the fact that Newton is credited with THREE laws, not one and your constant babbling about "Newton's Law" shows how little you know. So which of the three laws is it that you believe applies here? And how? I have no illogical reasoning. I have a working device. Pretty hard to make THAT go away by wishing and babbling. I have my observations. I have my results. I'm very happy with all of those. You have nothing, which is what you deserve.

[bistander]

No bi, I am not confusing cogging with core loss. That is YOUR interpretation of what I said. I love that you post YOUR opinion and then ask that I not argue the point. LOL. Who died and made you king? Nobody. I don't care what you choose to believe. I have had working prototypes of this stuff for years. I know what works and what does not. I agree 100%, core loss is NOT cogging. Never said it was. Cogging (the visible effect of it anyway) goes away at speed. But that magnetic attraction that created cogging in the first place NEVER GOES AWAY. It is just smoothed out at higher RPM. Here's a fun little 7th grade science project for you. Slow the motor turning a rotor and watch as cogging becomes apparent again. Watch what happens to a motor on an actual scope. Have you bothered to even TRY that? But tell me bi, what caused cogging in the first place? YOU said that the attraction of a rotor magnet to the coil core as it approaches is cancelled out by it's attraction BACKWARDS as it is leaving. I say that is incorrect. There is a moment in time when they are perfectly aligned when the magnetic attraction is "lined up" that is NOT cancelled out. I have said that forever. You ridiculed it. As USUAL. I believe it is THIS MOMENT IN TIME that causes cogging. YOU can believe whatever you want. I say when you speed up and the jerking motion is eliminated by the increased RPM, the attraction is STILL THERE, only smoothed out. A "STEADY drag". Now multiply this by the number of coils you have, and then by the number of magnets, and then by the number of revolutions per minute. This is the "magnetic drag" I speak of. You give it whatever name you choose. It is NOT cogging. It is NOT core loss. It is attraction between the rotor magnets and the coil core. That is NOT core loss. Look up core loss. Neither is it "cogging" because cogging is the jerking MOTION that goes away at high enough rpm. It is the exact same FORCE that causes cogging, but smoothed out so much that it is constant. And it is a considerable force. It causes my MY1020 to draw over 36 amps and burn up when there are 12 coils in place. Unless, of course, I implement magnetic neutralization, and then it goes away, and then the 'effect' it has is neutralized. It doesn't "go way" It is just countered by an equal and opposite effect. If you think it takes the same amount of amps to turn a rotor past one coil (with core) as it does to turn it past 12 coils (with cores) you are a moron. I mean besides a COWARD who won't put any money where his mouth is. Drag, not core loss. If you had ever built more than a tinker toy model, maybe I would listen to you for, oh, a second. But you haven't shown ANY evidence of building much of anything. Where's that video of the 7th grade experiment you "claim" to have conducted. YOU can't convince me of something contrary to what I have seen with my very own eyes on countless occasions, when all you do is babble. Where's YOUR proof.

Now if you want to shut up and leave it at that, you with your opinion and me with mine, I'm fine with that. If you're going to continue to speak, how about you put your money where your mouth is? Otherwise shut up. You keep avoiding that bet. Don't EVEN mention it. Don't have the courage of your convictions huh? All mouth and no substance. You're not fooling anyone. A paid school, Your mother would be ashamed of you.

There is a moment in time when they are perfectly aligned when the magnetic attraction is "lined up" that is NOT cancelled out. I have said that forever. You ridiculed it.

Yes, because this is your ignorance of Newton's Law and related physics manifesting in illogical reasoning on your part.

So get your hardware, meters, put it together and prove what you say. Please.
bi

[Turion]

No bi, I am not confusing cogging with core loss. That is YOUR interpretation of what I said. I love that you post YOUR opinion and then ask that I not argue the point. LOL. Who died and made you king? Nobody. I don't care what you choose to believe. I have had working prototypes of this stuff for years. I know what works and what does not. I agree 100%, core loss is NOT cogging. Never said it was. Cogging (the visible effect of it anyway) goes away at speed. But that magnetic attraction that created cogging in the first place NEVER GOES AWAY. It is just smoothed out at higher RPM. Here's a fun little 7th grade science project for you. Slow the motor turning a rotor and watch as cogging becomes apparent again. Watch what happens to a motor on an actual scope. Have you bothered to even TRY that? But tell me bi, what caused cogging in the first place? YOU said that the attraction of a rotor magnet to the coil core as it approaches is cancelled out by it's attraction BACKWARDS as it is leaving. I say that is incorrect. There is a moment in time when they are perfectly aligned when the magnetic attraction is "lined up" that is NOT cancelled out. I have said that forever. You ridiculed it. As USUAL. I believe it is THIS MOMENT IN TIME that causes cogging. YOU can believe whatever you want. I say when you speed up and the jerking motion is eliminated by the increased RPM, the attraction is STILL THERE, only smoothed out. A "STEADY drag". Now multiply this by the number of coils you have, and then by the number of magnets, and then by the number of revolutions per minute. This is the "magnetic drag" I speak of. You give it whatever name you choose. It is NOT cogging. It is NOT core loss. It is attraction between the rotor magnets and the coil core. That is NOT core loss. Look up core loss. Neither is it "cogging" because cogging is the jerking MOTION that goes away at high enough rpm. It is the exact same FORCE that causes cogging, but smoothed out so much that it is constant. And it is a considerable force. It causes my MY1020 to draw over 36 amps and burn up when there are 12 coils in place. Unless, of course, I implement magnetic neutralization, and then it goes away, and then the 'effect' it has is neutralized. It doesn't "go way" It is just countered by an equal and opposite effect. If you think it takes the same amount of amps to turn a rotor past one coil (with core) as it does to turn it past 12 coils (with cores) you are a moron. I mean besides a COWARD who won't put any money where his mouth is. Drag, not core loss. If you had ever built more than a tinker toy model, maybe I would listen to you for, oh, a second. But you haven't shown ANY evidence of building much of anything. Where's that video of the 7th grade experiment you "claim" to have conducted. YOU can't convince me of something contrary to what I have seen with my very own eyes on countless occasions, when all you do is babble. Where's YOUR proof.

Now if you want to shut up and leave it at that, you with your opinion and me with mine, I'm fine with that. If you're going to continue to speak, how about you put your money where your mouth is? Otherwise shut up. You keep avoiding that bet. Don't EVEN mention it. Don't have the courage of your convictions huh? All mouth and no substance. You're not fooling anyone. A paid school, Your mother would be ashamed of you.