The bistander thread

[Turion]

Not rocket science, it's BS.

2 things.

1. Tesla wound coils. Turion says "A standard coil will increase the amp draw in the motor for a certain output. A Tesla wound coil will not."[1]
Not true. The debunk video demonstrated it that both coils, when loaded, used the same power from the source.

2. Magnetic neutralization. Turion says his neutralization magnets "neutralize" the attractive force between the primary field magnet and the core.[2] That is false. The force (attraction) between the primary field magnet and the core is still present even with his extra magnets in repulsion. Those do reduce cogging, but do not affect the primary magnet field flux in the core.

Both 1 and 2 have nothing to do with power output or input at constant speed and load. They are irrelevant. Why do we labor with irrelevant BS? It is a distraction tactic by someone who knows that he is unable to prove his basic claim, 2000 watts out with 300 watts in.
Regards,
bi

1. The video shows that BOTH coils when UNLOADED cause additional amp draw by the motor and that the “Tesla” coil draws more amps, which is exactly what I said. You choose to pick out the facts you want which demonstrates just what you are. Regardless, BOTH coils cause amp draw which can be neutralized by the offsetting magnets.

2. Once again, you play with semantics to try and discredit what I have shown. The rotor magnet has two “effects” as it passes the core. It induces flux in the core material, which the opposition magnets do not effect. Two, it is attracted to, and tries to “lock” on the core material which the opposition magnets “neutralize” just as I have said.

Anyone who believes that the increased amp draw of the motor and its reduced RPM as a result of the attraction of the rotor magnets to the core being eliminated will NOT affect the output of the generator at load is an idiot. The decrease in input power ALONE means an increase in net output.

Anyone who believes that eliminating the increased amp draw of the motor and its reduced RPM as a result of Lenz will not have an effect on power at load is an idiot. The decrease in input power ALONE means an increase in Net output.

I have proven my watts in watts out claim to SEVERAL people. I just haven’t proven it to YOU. If this is such bunk, why waste so much if your time trying to discredit me? Hmmm? Because you are a paid shill. A COWARD who hides in the dark and can say whatever he wants because it doesn’t reflect on him. Be a man and come out of the dark. COWARD. I put my name on what t say and I stand by it. Yes, I have made mistakes. The difference between us is I admit mine. That’s what a MAN does. Come on, put on your big boy pants and step up. Or keep wearing that diaper and slinking around in the dark.

Probably stinking around in the dark. Gotta change that diaper once in a while.

[Quantum_well]

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference!

[bistander]

Quantum,

If you have a rotor with magnets on it turned by a motor, you pay a specific amount for that in watts. Call this your Baseline Cost. Every time you add a coil to that rotor there is an increase in watts drawn by the motor as shown in the debunk vide and as I have seen on the bench. I referred to this as magnetic drag. With a standard coil it is a certain amount. With Tesla wound coils the amount is greater, which is also shown in the video. With magnetic neutralization, THIS DOESN’T MATTER. You can almost zero this out, bringing the cost of turning the rotor back to what it was when NO coils were in place. Baseline plus a couple amps. This was NOT my idea and was patented over 100 years ago. The concept is now in the public domain.

So now we put our coil under load. A standard coil will increase the amp draw in the motor for a certain output. A Tesla wound coil will not.[1] You will have the same amp draw you had at Baseline plus two amps.

Add as many coils as you want as long as you have magnetic neutralization. Very little cost. Put them under load. NO additional cost if they are Tesla coils.

This is not rocket science. bi can do everything he can think of to discredit this. He is allowed to hide in the dark like a coward and do that while I put my name on everything I claim. He can call me a liar and a con man and a fraud, but it makes no difference. The truth will come out. He has no guts. He claims to be doing this to save everyone, yet he has not built and demonstrated a single thing to disprove what I have said. Even the guy in the debunk video showed that speed up under coils are REAL. He just sees no value in them. Without magnetic neutralization to offset their negative effect, NEITHER DO I.

But is it so hard to understand that a magnet attracted to the core (a negative) can be offset or “neutralized” by two magnets in opposition to each other that can be adjusted?[2] Really? I have to SHOW that to prove it is real? Really? You can’t take my WORD that it is possible?

Because everything else is proven in the debunk video. If the negative effects of the speed up under load coil are “zeroed out” by magnetic neutralization you are left with coils that have NO effect on the motor when they are put under load.

Not rocket science

Not rocket science, it's BS.

2 things.

1. Tesla wound coils. Turion says "A standard coil will increase the amp draw in the motor for a certain output. A Tesla wound coil will not."[1]
Not true. The debunk video demonstrated it that both coils, when loaded, used the same power from the source.

2. Magnetic neutralization. Turion says his neutralization magnets "neutralize" the attractive force between the primary field magnet and the core.[2] That is false. The force (attraction) between the primary field magnet and the core is still present even with his extra magnets in repulsion. Those do reduce cogging, but do not affect the primary magnet field flux in the core.

Both 1 and 2 have nothing to do with power output or input at constant speed and load. They are irrelevant. Why do we labor with irrelevant BS? It is a distraction tactic by someone who knows that he is unable to prove his basic claim, 2000 watts out with 300 watts in.
Regards,
bi

[Turion]

Hi Turion,

That is what I was referring to as increased machine loss. And why I thought those anticogging magnets would increase required motor power.









Sounds like they'll last long enough to stabilize speed and power so you can get some good test data. And BTW, it's probably the nickel plating on the magnets that harbor eddy currents causing the bulk of the heat. Non-conductive coatings may be available. But then again, I doubt the magnets are of any real value. Has Alex tested with and without the anticogging magnets?

bi

”You thought”. That’s your whole problem. Everything is based on what you “think” rather than what we see on the bench. It’s all what you “think” rather than facts. I “think” you are a COWARDLY idiot, so it MUST be true! The opposition magnets don’t increase required motor power, they REDUCE it. I have SHOWN that in videos. Do you even bother to watch?

Alex can verify this. Once again, it’s called research. Ever hear of it? It’s what you do when you “think” something is true to prove to yourself whether you are right or wrong BEFORE bayou open your mouth to try and discredit the work of others who have actually DONE the research.

[bistander]

I did it YEARS ago. It’s called research. Ever hear of it? It’s what you do BEFORE you insist you know what you’re talking about. Give it a try sometime.

Cool. Let's see the data, test procedure and documentation.
bi

[BroMikey]

Please do this and surprise us all.
bi

rockinchair commanders

[Turion]

I did it YEARS ago. It’s called research. Ever hear of it? It’s what you do BEFORE you insist you know what you’re talking about. Give it a try sometime.

[bistander]

Take a "special coil and adjust the motor speed so that the coil causes the motor to neither speed up nor slow down when the coil is under load.
Measure the input in volts and amps to the motor and the output in volts and amps to the load

Then take a monofilar coil with the same amount of wire on it and do the same thing and compare the results.

SUPRISE!!!!!!

Please do this and surprise us all.
bi

[BroMikey]

I see the speed up as the result of removing 165 watts braking effect that the open circuit bifilar coil is causing.

Dave he can't understand what you are saying. The problem is if an experimenter has a rotor turning at 150 watts befor he installs a coil and core that afterward the draw will slightly increase to say 155watts. This is what he is calling BRAKING "5W"?? Then when the coil is engaged goes back to 150w again but now the coil is generating 75w. I guess you need to go high accuracy testing? How brilliant does one need to be here?

These people not only have no common sense they don't think for themselves at all. Pride brings a huge fall. Maybe you are over the pride thing? Naw, it couldn't be, you are so smart we can't even get you to see. All you see is what teacher told you. Everything you know is a lie and based on lies. A con job.

The libtards must think I am the meanest man who ever lived.

[Quantum_well]

And you have been wrong from the start.

In the video he SHOWS us this is a “speed up under load coil” and at the RPM he is running the motor it DOES speed up the motor and he shows the increase in RPM’s.

As I have stated like a hundred times, if the coil is speeding the motor UP it is NOT putting out its maximum as a generator coil. So slow the motor down by DECREASING its input and the coil output will go UP.

I see the speed up as the result of removing 165 watts braking effect that the open circuit bifilar coil is causing.

[Turion]

Take a "special coil and adjust the motor speed so that the coil causes the motor to neither speed up nor slow down when the coil is under load.
Measure the input in volts and amps to the motor and the output in volts and amps to the load

Then take a monofilar coil with the same amount of wire on it and do the same thing and compare the results.

SUPRISE!!!!!!

[bistander]

And you have been wrong from the start.

In the video he SHOWS us this is a “speed up under load coil” and at the RPM he is running the motor it DOES speed up the motor and he shows the increase in RPM’s.

As I have stated like a hundred times, if the coil is speeding the motor UP it is NOT putting out its maximum as a generator coil. So slow the motor down by DECREASING its input and the coil output will go UP.

I don't think so. But the point is that the "special" coil will not run with less power input than a standard wound coil at the same load (output power) with conditions being equal.
bi

[Turion]

Efficiency = (power output) / (power input) * 100%. Look it up.

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{From the debunker video}

https://youtu.be/kfRxsC9yumQ

Using bifilar coil at load, power out = 10 watts, power in = 280 watts, efficiency = 10w/280w*100% = 3.57%.

Using single wire coil at same load and same conditions, power out = 10 watts, power in = 280 watts, efficiency = 10w/280w*100% = 3.57%.

Exactly the same. This is what I've been saying from the start. There is no advantage at load. All the "speed-up-under-load" coil does is to increase loss at no load.
bi

And you have been wrong from the start.

In the video he SHOWS us this is a “speed up under load coil” and at the RPM he is running the motor it DOES speed up the motor and he shows the increase in RPM’s.

As I have stated like a hundred times, if the coil is speeding the motor UP it is NOT putting out its maximum as a generator coil. So slow the motor down by DECREASING its input and the coil output will go UP.

[bistander]

When you look at the extra input vs output it is pretty good. For the bifilar it works out at 10/8 which is 125%.
For the ordinary coil it's 10/11 which is 90%. So if you had 30 bifilar coils you'd get 300 watts out for 240 watts
in plus the 270 iding which is total input 410 watts. 300/410 which is 73% overall efficiency.

Hi Quantum,

Input power when the coil is shorted doesn't enter into any type of efficiency calculation.

The only reason I see that he took that data was because Thane and others used to short circuit the coil leads to demonstrate speed-up-under-load. But the short circuit of the coil output leads necessarily sets the load (output) voltage to zero making any efficiency = zero.
bi

[Quantum_well]

Just think if Thane could add Regenx.