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  • alexelectric
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    Here is the schematic
    It can be changed according to what you want
    This is the connection that gives you 130 volts, according to Mr. Dave's specifications.

    It already depends on what you want, voltage ?, amps ?, you can change the configuration.

    I remember that in one of the tests, I put it all in series, I had an oversight, my voltage whiplash.
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    Last edited by alexelectric; 03-12-2021, 05:17 PM.

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  • Turion
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    I think the confusion is we are talking about two different things. Quantum was talking about how coils are wired NOW and his description was correct and his drawing is correct

    You were commenting on what I said about CHANGING that configuration to get lower voltage and higher amps and use a simple cap to get the capacitance that wiring in parallel and connecting in series provides and YOU are correct.

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  • Quantum_well
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    This is how I see twelve strands, four in series then in parallel.
    IMG_20210312_144639~2.jpg

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ... Now that I know we are going to run the machine at around 3,000 RPM I can start looking for what capacitor gives us neutral coils with all 12 wires in parallel I want to see what voltage I get, and how many amps. ...
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    bi

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  • Turion
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    Four strands in series and three WIRES in parallel from the SAME coil.

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  • Quantum_well
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    Bistander I think he's using four strands in series and then three coils in parallel.


    Using 22 magnets, new cores, 10 coils, going to 12 strands in parallel, realize that you're changing many design features all at once. Conventional wisdom would establish a known working benchmark and make one change at a time from there. But you ignore convention. So there will be lots of excuses for you to choose from.

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  • Turion
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    I won't change anything without talking to you first. Seriously. Once this is up and running with the new cores, I will work with everyone possible to get this to where it needs to be. I want the best machine I can get when I present at the conference.

    From my friend tonight:

    "When I said I have tons of this *%^#% I literally have tons. Most of these sizes we are not even using anymore. Should you choose to go this route there is no reason to buy any *%^#% I have straight 10 ft. lengths of all sizes and no money in it. It will sit till it oxidizes and turn grey and the scrap man gets it. I have machines set up to cut it and bend it with stops made and measurements known, If you like the design. I will cut it, bend it and ship it to you at no charge. All you got to do is glue em together. I have developed a simple glue and assembly process that is repeatable and works. Now point #2. You are testing permalloy. If that works out, we know the sizes and combos that fit the holes. We could order permalloy together in 0.120 or what ever we decide on and I can calculate the amount needed, cut and bend it and we could use this design. The adjustment part works great and I do believe each core/ rotor clearance will have to be set individually. It is the only way to be accurate. I cut all my plastic disks for my core adjustments today. I cut up all 3 sizes of *%^#% for 10 cores in under an hour tonight."

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    I cannot add, subtract, multiply or divide today. My wife says I am totally distracted by something. It’s all these numbers in my head from all these different core tests my friend is sending me, but I think we have settled on a size of the material. It doesn’t put out as much voltage at the high RPM, but it does great at the lower RPM and ZERO heat. So I have some experimenting to do as soon as I get my cores done. Now that I know we are going to run the machine at around 3,000 RPM I can start looking for what capacitor gives us neutral coils with all 12 wires in parallel I want to see what voltage I get, and how many amps. Every day is an adventure. I had to make two trips to town today because on the first trip l left both my drink and my wallet lying on the kitchen counter with the list of things I was supposed to pick up in town. And I was thinking about coils all the way there.
    ​​​​​​12 wires in parallel of size AWG #23 = a single strand of AWG #12 wire in cross sectional area (very closely), or = 2 wires in parallel of size AWG # 14.

    Parallel wires used coil winding is commonplace often called 'in-hand' where all wire starts are connected together and all finish ends connected together. In other words, such coils are not the Tesla winding and are equivalent to standard monofilar windings.

    The equivalency holds for coils of equal copper mass and effective # of turns (T/c).

    Using 22 magnets, new cores, 10 coils, going to 12 strands in parallel, realize that you're changing many design features all at once. Conventional wisdom would establish a known working benchmark and make one change at a time from there. But you ignore convention. So there will be lots of excuses for you to choose from.
    bi

    ps. All 12 wires in parallel will no doubt generate lower voltage with higher ampacity so the lamp load will be way too small.

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  • Turion
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    I cannot add, subtract, multiply or divide today. My wife says I am totally distracted by something. It’s all these numbers in my head from all these different core tests my friend is sending me, but I think we have settled on a size of the material. It doesn’t put out as much voltage at the high RPM, but it does great at the lower RPM and ZERO heat. So I have some experimenting to do as soon as I get my cores done. Now that I know we are going to run the machine at around 3,000 RPM I can start looking for what capacitor gives us neutral coils with all 12 wires in parallel I want to see what voltage I get, and how many amps. Every day is an adventure. I had to make two trips to town today because on the first trip l left both my drink and my wallet lying on the kitchen counter with the list of things I was supposed to pick up in town. And I was thinking about coils all the way there. I also forgot a check to pay the carpet guys. They hate credit cards!

    Carpet will be here in two weeks, and then a couple days more until it is installed. That's the last step in the remodel. I have some details here and there to wrap up during the next two weeks, but then I will be on this stuff full time for the foreseeable future. Right now I am putting in half days there and half days on the generator.
    Last edited by Turion; 03-12-2021, 12:49 AM.

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  • Quantum_well
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    100 watts input and 91 watts output is 91% which is brilliant . He is inputting 50 volts at 2 amps into the motor. That's 100 watts. Now his output is 122 volts at .75 amps since he is only using one coil. That's 91 watts. According to the math in your video, that's 74% efficient. THAT'S nothing special. What's special is, he can add a second coil and double the output while the input remains relatively the same. THAT"S where it gets interesting. And that's the advantage of using Tesla style wound coils and magnetic neutralization. His input will hardly change while his output doubles.

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  • Quantum_well
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    400 watts input 100 =4 so 1% is 4 watts....... Times by 500 =2,000

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  • Turion
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    Yeah, I understand about accuracy of measurement, and I realize I'm not all that accurate, but if this ends up being a couple hundred watts input and a couple thousand watts output, the difference ought to be enough to catch somebody's attention. That's only 10 times the input, not 500. I WISH it were 500!

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  • Quantum_well
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    Turion, in the real world of generator testing people are probably looking for something in the region of 1% improvement, what you are showing has nowhere near that accuracy.
    Example. 10 lb/in at 1800rpm = .29hp. As easy as that!
    I can see for your case where you're looking at 500% times input power accurate testing isn't applicable.

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  • Turion
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    Quantum,
    Anything can be faked which is why I have said people need to build this for themselves. If you believe the volt and amp meters, you see what is going to the light in watts and it is a 200 watt bulb, so you can compare output on meters to how bright it is. I also plug a light bulb into a standard extension cord plugged into a wall socket and use an infrared thermometer to measure and compare the heat output of the “wall” bulb to one powered by the generator.

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  • Turion
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    You figure it out

    PS. Thanks for pointing that out. I fixed it.
    Last edited by Turion; 03-11-2021, 07:11 PM.

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