The bistander thread

[bistander]

Says the man who hides in the dark taking potshots at the work of others. Afraid to say who he really is.

This will all be settled at the conference. But you just can't let it go can you? Why is that I wonder? Will you lose a paycheck?

I though you said I was irrelevant. My identity matters not.
bi

[Turion]

Real researchers invite scrutiny so they can identify shortcomings and learn and improve their experiment. They don't hide from those skilled in the field.

bi

Says the man who hides in the dark taking potshots at the work of others. Afraid to say who he really is.

This will all be settled at the conference. But you just can't let it go can you? Why is that I wonder? Will you lose a paycheck?

[bistander]

No, I did not stand by that 6-cell battery on my bench. I made a statement, you called me on it, I took the battery the rest of the way apart so I could see all the connections, and admitted IMMEDIATELY that I made a mistake. You keep bringing it up to prove what a "big man" you are. It's about character. You have displayed yours. You are indeed more knowledgable than I am when it comes to motors, generators, physics and electrical circuits and their construction. When it comes to THIS machine, you know less than nothing, and when it comes to how electricity actually works and what it can be made to do, you also know less than nothing. I am secure in the absolute knowledge of these facts.

I never said I know more than Faraday, Lenz, Maxwell and Newton. You are the one who keeps bringing them up, not me. Inferiority complex? We will see after the conference. You insist on hashing this out NOW, because you know that after the conference you are dead in the water. How does that feel?

You made a false statement about that LiFePO4 battery. I corrected you. You then insulted, belittled and ridiculed me because you had it right in front of you on your bench and you were absolutely sure you were right and I was wrong. Only when I was able to see from a photo you posted and refer you to the product specification in front of the forum that you had to admit your error. And that is why you won't show your tests and proofs. Because you know I'll find faults and mistakes and correct misinterpretations which you'd prefer to stay hidden so you can continue your scam. Real researchers invite scrutiny so they can identify shortcomings and learn and improve their experiment. They don't hide from those skilled in the field.

With regards to the famous scientists that I mentioned, you certainly disagree with them and when I point that out, you say you know better or something to that effect. You know more than me about the electromechanical energy conversion involved in that apparatus you built consisting of the same magnets, copper, steel and materials I've used and studied for longer than you've been around. You know how the forces act on the core better than Newton explains it. You know how to fool Lenz. You ignore Lorentz. You leave out half of what Faraday teaches. You misinterpret Tesla. You know how to count to six.

Character? Truth?

Good luck.
bi

[Turion]

No, I did not stand by that 6-cell battery on my bench. I made a statement, you called me on it, I took the battery the rest of the way apart so I could see all the connections, and admitted IMMEDIATELY that I made a mistake. You keep bringing it up to prove what a "big man" you are. It's about character. You have displayed yours. You are indeed more knowledgable than I am when it comes to motors, generators, physics and electrical circuits and their construction. When it comes to THIS machine, you know less than nothing, and when it comes to how electricity actually works and what it can be made to do, you also know less than nothing. I am secure in the absolute knowledge of these facts.

I never said I know more than Faraday, Lenz, Maxwell and Newton. You are the one who keeps bringing them up, not me. Inferiority complex? We will see after the conference. You insist on hashing this out NOW, because you know that after the conference you are dead in the water. How does that feel?

[bistander]

I stand by my claims. Always will. My device follows all the rules. There is nothing exceptional here. Lenz can be engineered around d because it is a reaction. It's THAT simple. I have "robust evidence" in the form of a working prototype sitting on my bench. I am now searching for the best core material. I will update my progress on that front by videos posted on YouTube. Don't buy a burrito from bi!!!!!!!!

You stood by that 6-cell battery on your bench also. When it comes to motors and generators, energy and physics, I am more knowledgeable than you. You're foolish to believe otherwise. You're also foolish to believe that you know more than Faraday, Lenz, Maxwell and Newton, but you obviously do.
bi

[Turion]

I stand by my claims. Always will. My device follows all the rules. There is nothing exceptional here. Lenz can be engineered around d because it is a reaction. It's THAT simple. I have "robust evidence" in the form of a working prototype sitting on my bench. I am now searching for the best core material. I will update my progress on that front by videos posted on YouTube. Don't buy a burrito from bi!!!!!!!!

[Turion]

Quantum,
My response was directed at bi, not you. I apologize for the lack of clarity. I am editing that response to reflect what I have just stated .

[Quantum_well]

I was being serious. I remember hearing on a news bulletin in the early morning the announcement by Fleischman and Pons that they had witnessed cold fusion. Honestly, I was so excited and hoping oh so much that it would turn out to be real.

[Turion]

bi,
I cannot “work with” someone who doubts everything I say and assumes his “superior knowledge” means I’m a liar fraud and con man when I have had working machines on the bench that prove everything I have said. Just because you “think” you are smarter than I am does not make it so. I will buy MY burritos from a reputable source.

My machine will be presented at the conference. Then we will see who knows what. If you are unwilling to wait for that, bi, just do a couple 7th grade science experiments for yourself. But you won’t. Because they prove you the fool.

[Quantum_well]

Just imagine if Turion's claim is verified. The news would be round the world quicker than Covid! Headline news in every bit of media and physicists bemused. The whole of physics would have to be re-invented.
Stone age, Iron age, Bronze age, Computer age, Turion age.

[bistander]

Alex,
The more strands you have in parallel connected in series, the lower the RPM at which the effect occurs. But it will occur with a single strand coil at high enough RPM. And it will occur with ANY coil that has the correct capacitor in parallel with it.

But remember. When you connect a load to the coil, you are putting that load in series with the coil and that changes its capacitance and CAN definitely change the frequency at which the effect takes place, depending on the load. My current machine has an even number of magnets on the rotor and an odd number of coils, so only one pair of coils (one on each side of the rotor across from each other) is “energized” at the same time. One of the experiments I have wanted to do is to put a second pair of coils in series with these two coils, doubling the capacitance, and see what it does to the amp draw of the motor, the RPM of the motor and the output of the coil. The second pair of coils COULD be another pair on the machine or another pair simply sitting beside it. What effect will this have on required RPM? How is it different than just adding a capacitor? I have no idea. What happens when I put a coil that is exactly the same as (in resonance with) one of the generator coils right next to it? What output do I get out of that coil, even though it is not electrically (physically) connected to the machine. I have lots of questions that still need to be answered, which is why I brought this here in the first place, hoping to get the help of other researchers. Instead I have to deal with people like bi who contribute nothing to the forward progress. And no one has replicated a complete machine because it is too expensive. At least until recently. Now there are five machines that are complete and in operation. If you count mine and the pathetic amount of time I have to spend on it.

Turion,

You say: "have lots of questions that still need to be answered, which is why I brought this here in the first place, hoping to get the help of other researchers."

You could work with me instead of against me. After all, I've just been trying to help. Like I can tell you that putting a second pair of coils in series will halve the equivalent capacitance compared to the first pair. To double capacitance you need to use a parallel connection. Look it up. But you'd rather ridicule me.
bi

[bistander]

The truth will come out. It usually does. And you don’t know your butt from a burrito. So please, folks, buy NO Mexican food from this man.

And as USUAL, you avoid or ignore the issue and attempt to focus elsewhere. How about that 7th grade science experiment? Hmmmm???

How about proof of your 2000watt_out/300watt_in claim? And you accuse me of "avoid or ignore the issue and attempt to focus elsewhere". It's been a month or two for me to demonstrate something irrelevant to the main issue but multiple years for you to stand up and prove your extraordinary claim, which is exactly the issue. Let's count to six again.
bi

[Turion]

The truth will come out. It usually does. And you don’t know your butt from a burrito. So please, folks, buy NO Mexican food from this man.

And as USUAL, you avoid or ignore the issue and attempt to focus elsewhere. How about that 7th grade science experiment? Hmmmm???

[bistander]

I already have. I just haven't shown the proof to YOU. Because YOU are what is irrelevant. If you think Lenz cannot be engineered around, you obviously don't have either the skills or the knowledge required.

But lets examine what YOU have contributed the last ten years to the advancement of free energy. Uh, that would be NOHING. Neither have you shown ONE SINGLE EXPERIMENT that disproves anything I have claimed. If I am such a liar and fraud, why is that I wonder? What happened to that 7th grade science experiment you were going to show that would prove or disprove HALF of what I claim to be true? Couldn't be bothered? Most likely you tried it and saw that I am absolutely CORRECT so you choose to ignore it or sweep it under the rug. Too bad. I know of at least THREE other people who have done the same experiment and now support what I have claimed.

I'm perfectly happy with knowing what I know and you knowing what you know. And by the way, I haven't been working on this generator for ten years. I actually started my experiments with the 3 Battery System, and worked on that as my MAIN focus for the first six or seven years while trying to perfect the generator. It wasn't until we had a breakthrough on the 3 Battery stuff that I decided to release all the info on the generator on the forum because it was obsolete anyway. I abandoned the generator project for a time, even though the machine was at Greyland's shop to be fixed because it wasn't worth my time. Until Aaron asked that I present last year at the conference, at which point I began to work at putting a more efficient version that was more mechanically sound together to do that presentation. If not for THAT, I wouldn't be messing with the generator at all. Once this one is all assembled with WORKING core material that doesn't heat up, I am done with it. It was to prove the concepts, nothing more. A far more practical means of producing power exists, I know how to do it, and that is what I will spend my energy on once the conference is over.

Once you understand how electricity really works, you can manipulate it to do what you want it to do. A single battery can be used to power there world. Cool huh? But all YOU will ever know about it is what you read on Wikipedia. Oh, I know. "Another outrageous claim with no proof." Jut because I haven't proved it to YOU doesn't mean it isn't so.

You write volumes of nonsensical babble but have never produced a single joule of free energy as you claim. That is the truth.
bi

[BroMikey]

Turion,

We've heard it all before, for years,

Truth is relevant,

Truth is your claim is false.

Go ahead, prove me wrong.
bi

He has already done that but you can not see it. After the meeting you still won't see it. Not our problem.