Announcement

Collapse

2020 Energy Science & Technology Conference - Pre-Register Free now

Pre-Register for FREE for the 2020 Energy Science & Technology Conference.

Registration Form: http://energyscienceconference.com/r...ation/2020.php
Schedule: http://energyscienceconference.com/2...ence-schedule/
Presenter Bio/Talk Descriptions: http://energyscienceconference.com/2020-speakers/
See more
See less

AC to Cap Dump

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • AC to Cap Dump

    A really simple circuit, makes it easy to calculate input to the battery.
    And yes, I'm splitting the positive in a FWBR ;-)
    Be aware that the cap may get hot.

    https://youtu.be/F2gmZ-9CmKM

    /Hob
    Attached Files
    Last edited by nilrehob; 11-16-2017, 11:20 AM.
    Hob Nilre
    http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

  • #2
    Originally posted by nilrehob View Post
    A really simple circuit, makes it easy to calculate input to the battery.
    And yes, I'm splitting the positive in a FWBR ;-)

    https://youtu.be/F2gmZ-9CmKM

    /Hob
    Could you say more about your splitting the positive experiences?

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
      Could you say more about your splitting the positive experiences?
      No, its a joke,
      look at the circuit and locate the FWBR and you will see that I have 'split the positive'.

      /Hob
      Hob Nilre
      http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

      Comment


      • #4
        Hi everyone,

        Comparing whats going in to whats coming out of the battery I'd say I have overunity:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9FoDQZulvQ

        /Hob
        Hob Nilre
        http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

        Comment


        • #5
          Hi nilrehob.
          Have some question:
          - have you try with a larger cap?
          -I see you have change the value of the resistor in your last video... what is the effect of using a bigger value resistor? Did you use a variable resistor to find the sweet spot?
          -what is the best voltage to use on ac side, you find ?

          Thank you for sharing your experiment!

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Wistiti View Post
            Hi nilrehob.
            Have some question:
            - have you try with a larger cap?
            -I see you have change the value of the resistor in your last video... what is the effect of using a bigger value resistor? Did you use a variable resistor to find the sweet spot?
            -what is the best voltage to use on ac side, you find ?

            Thank you for sharing your experiment!
            I have tried all kinds of caps, but caps are not made the same, different kinds of caps with the same capacitance can give very different results. Some get hot others don't, some charge the battery really well on low voltage others don't even though the have the same capacitance. I tried a really high-capacitance cap at low voltage but the diodes fried!

            A bigger gate-resistor requires a higher AC-voltage, otherwise it will not trigger, but once it triggers it just consumes energy so its god efficiency to have a high resistance. Note the possibility to switch the position between the SCR and the battery. No variable resistor, but a variable transformer.

            The current into the battery depends on capacitance*AC-voltage. But the energy in the cap depends on capacitance*AC-voltage^2 which makes me wonder whats going on. This together with the differences between cap-types makes it difficult to test. I need more caps. Motor-caps seems like the way to go.

            You're welcome, I'm glad you liked it.

            /Hob
            Hob Nilre
            http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

            Comment


            • #7
              I did a new run with a logging voltmeter on the battery. I calculate that the energy dumped from the battery to the resistor was 1643Wt (where a tick (t) is 255s) and the energy going into the battery during charging was 1068Wt (in the video I wrongly calculated it to be 1188Wt). For unity the charging should have taken 4 days but was finished 14h or so ahead.

              https://youtu.be/WBOPQOEBEIU

              /Hob
              Hob Nilre
              http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

              Comment


              • #8
                Power out is simply Vbat²/R where Vbat is the voltage across the battery and R is the dump-resistor.

                Power in is Vbat*f*C*(Vcap-Vbat) where f is the AC frequency, 50Hz where I am, and Vcap is the voltage across the cap just before the dump to the battery and C is the capacitance of the cap. C*(Vcap-Vbat) is the charge Q being dumped from the cap as in Q = C*V and so f*Q is the total charge during a second which in turn is the average current. Work done is Vbat*Q which for one second is the same as the avg power.

                Does it make sense or am I making a mistake somewhere?

                /Hob
                Hob Nilre
                http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by nilrehob View Post
                  Power out is simply Vbat²/R where Vbat is the voltage across the battery and R is the dump-resistor.

                  Power in is Vbat*f*C*(Vcap-Vbat) where f is the AC frequency, 50Hz where I am, and Vcap is the voltage across the cap just before the dump to the battery and C is the capacitance of the cap. C*(Vcap-Vbat) is the charge Q being dumped from the cap as in Q = C*V and so f*Q is the total charge during a second which in turn is the average current. Work done is Vbat*Q which for one second is the same as the avg power.

                  Does it make sense or am I making a mistake somewhere?

                  /Hob
                  Just the right frequency to the plates, some call it radiant, others say
                  growing finer material on plates TOO!! I think all of that is true. There
                  can be some sort of strange happening if the correct tuning is hit
                  but the chemical process keeps moving over and so you need to
                  follow it, whatever it is.

                  Your thoughts?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
                    Your thoughts?
                    Too early to tell, I have a few more experiments to do first.
                    But it's encouraging

                    /Hob
                    Hob Nilre
                    http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by nilrehob View Post
                      Too early to tell, I have a few more experiments to do first.
                      But it's encouraging

                      /Hob
                      I know a couple of guys who have abandoned batteries all together
                      because of the shift away from any process you engage it with. They
                      use capacitors and capacitor grow material on them as Bedini would say
                      about battery plates. Some say the capacitor was conditioned.

                      Anyway according to these other guys capacitors are easier to engage
                      with respect to increasing surface area but not only that. The new area
                      that took time to transformer had a much lower resistance to an incoming
                      charge. This made it not only a small amount more efficient to add charge
                      to a plate but made it twice. Caps do not have to follow a "C" rate
                      like a battery, but batteries can show all of these same increases.

                      If you create the standing resonance a transient may appear and be
                      absorbed into your battery or reflect off the battery plates into the
                      circuit, i am not sure what it does. It adds energy to the system?
                      This effect is magic.

                      One guy claims he rings his cap like a bell and has 5 watt units out
                      of a tiny circuit. It is a continuous output of 5 watts or bigger if he
                      wants.

                      he uses 2 ultra fast recovery diodes in a row after the transistor in
                      all of his circuits.
                      Last edited by BroMikey; 12-05-2017, 10:21 AM.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I've just completed another discharge and its almost exactly as the previous one,
                        so the charging seems OK!

                        /Hob
                        Hob Nilre
                        http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

                        Comment

                        Working...
                        X