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  • #76
    11/3/17 (5th day) 31st bat switch

    Link to video:
    https://youtu.be/QwRfpOHP6Po
    Last edited by gotoluc; 11-06-2017, 11:54 AM.

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    • #77
      11/3/17 (5th day) 32nd bat switch

      Link to video:
      https://youtu.be/O9n3PS6mdAA
      Last edited by gotoluc; 11-06-2017, 11:55 AM.

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      • #78
        11/3/17 (5th day) 33rd bat switch

        Link to video:
        https://youtu.be/EtUrQ7HeLaU
        Last edited by gotoluc; 11-06-2017, 11:55 AM.

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        • #79
          2nd update on new battery load test

          Link to video: https://youtu.be/EPdQy2csVi4

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          • #80
            11/3/17 (5th day) test stopped for the night at 2:08 am

            Link to video:
            https://youtu.be/Zag4_BpDbmM
            Last edited by gotoluc; 11-06-2017, 11:58 AM.

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            • #81
              Hi all, Hi mike, i would say, the meters have been keeping a better recording.
              Also, i will defer to joseph newmans terminology, lucs setup gave 135 watt/hours of obvious usable work so far and 135 watt/hours or so of not obvious work, which is the unseen charging done within the 3rd battery.
              peace love light

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              • #82
                Yes BroMikey

                Unfortunately it looks like you have it right

                Since your calculations comes close to the motors watt meter, then I would also support that the meter Ahr reading may be a true reflection of the power that has gone in the motor.

                I resumed the test at 9am but I don't think it would run any longer then a few hours.

                Regards

                Luc

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                • #83
                  135 vs 120?

                  Originally posted by BroMikey
                  Okay guys correct my math if this is wrong please.
                  ...

                  Yet Luc's meter is showing that the motor has had 135wh go thru it
                  when theoretical for for 2 five amp hour batteries can never exceed
                  the 120 watt hour mark.

                  I am sort of puzzled at this point.


                  Anyone thinking this thru?
                  The 120Wh is nominal. (12V * 5Ah * 2 batteries)

                  Maybe actual voltage is a bit higher on average.

                  At low C-rates, batteries can output higher than the C/20 Ah rating. Maybe up to 5% so I've heard.

                  Wattmeter accuracy may be questionable at such low current. 0.14A is 0.7% of full scale Amperes.

                  It will be interesting to compare to the one (or 2) battery test with the same load (0.14A).

                  For the $12, I think I'll order one of these Wattmeters and run a few calibration tests against some other meters/testers I have, like the CBA II (from West Mountain Radio).

                  bi

                  {edit}
                  I think most of the extra Watt hours come from the first 5 or 6 hours of the test where the motor voltage is high, starts out at 16+. So current is higher and power (W) is higher and Wh in the motor (system load) accumulate faster. At first battery swap, at 6 hours, there is 33 Wh shown for the motor. Using nominal or average numbers one would have expected about 10 to 12 Wh.
                  Last edited by bistander; 11-04-2017, 03:23 PM. Reason: Adition

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                  • #84
                    Test resumed @ 9:03am 11/4/17 (6th day) 34th bat switch

                    Link to video:
                    https://youtu.be/vIYHp1iOD0o
                    Last edited by gotoluc; 11-06-2017, 11:57 AM.

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                    • #85
                      Updates

                      The test ended today at 10:20 am and Motor Wh meter total was 135 Wh.
                      The final video will be available once upload is complete.

                      Also, I've received Carroll's "Matt modified motor" so we can begin tests once I've established the Wh capacity of the new batteries.

                      Thank you Carroll for your help

                      Regards

                      Luc

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                      • #86
                        11/4/17 (6th day) 35th bat switch

                        Link to video:
                        https://youtu.be/OKsnaSePaEo
                        Last edited by gotoluc; 11-06-2017, 11:56 AM.

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                        • #87
                          Great Stuff Luc ! Nice of your friends to supply some batteries for you and Carroll to send a pulse motor. Kudos sir!
                          You are of course your 'own man' and will proceed as you see fit me thinks that's as it should be, your an accomplished experimenter in your own right after all.
                          I guess over the years those that have seen success with this system have become enthralled (and I do include myself) each understandably wants you to follow their particular avenue,use their particular battery or motor to reach the same plateau, (I'm sorry to say you saw me doing so myself)
                          I for one hope you don't do that with out very good cause.
                          The reasoning is simple something very special happens in that system at times and many folks have experienced it, Some have managed to amplify it by trial and error but I don't think anyone would disagree if I wrote 'No one has nailed it down', - That is to 'an explainable specific' in short The effect is being amplified and utilized whilst the cause remains unknown.
                          That doesn't mean that when someone eventually does (and I'm sure it is 'when' and not if) I doubt it will be because they are more persistent, cleverer or built more motors I rather think it will be some one with some little and unusual plus in their skill set , a little strange niche or experience overlooked by most.
                          I guess really every bodies rooting for you to spot the missing link, (for all the *****ing here and there) As far as I'm concerned Its a new pair of eye's and hands with different test gear and different skill set , something new can happen anytime . Believe it! Its exciting ! Particularly as I Have read and watched a lot of your work over the years Luc . I will refrain from clutter on your thread as you run your tests Luc, however When I return from Budapest in a weeks or so's time, I have some four year old untouched gel cells and I'll have a gallant attempt to recreate that huge energy gain and icing on camera for you . There is no mistaking this visitor when it comes a visiting Kindest regards Duncan
                          Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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                          • #88
                            11/4/17 (6th day) End of test at 10:20 am all batteries discharged to 10 volts

                            Link to video:
                            https://youtu.be/f4UvOtr1qzU
                            Last edited by gotoluc; 11-06-2017, 12:00 PM.

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                            • #89
                              Thanks for your post Duncan

                              I wish you a good trip to Budapest.

                              Looking forward to see the test of Ice forming on the battery when you return

                              Regards

                              Luc
                              Last edited by gotoluc; 11-04-2017, 11:56 PM.

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                              • #90
                                Testing to see how much current the Matt Pulse Motor needs.

                                Link to video:
                                https://youtu.be/CE6DbJ_frnc
                                Last edited by gotoluc; 11-04-2017, 07:20 PM.

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