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  • Zero Force Motor Project

    I am trying to compile good information here on our now departed
    Dearest John Bedini's "ZERO FORCE MOTOR" Please help.

    Thank you all for you kind regard.

    BTW i heard this motor really cranks out the R's. And iron cores
    regulate speed? Wow, iron inside the core.


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-GZerEwObo


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    Last edited by BroMikey; 10-03-2017, 01:59 AM.

  • #2
    air core only

    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    I am trying to compile good information here on our now departed
    Dearest John Bedini's "ZERO FORCE MOTOR" Please help.

    Thank you all for you kind regard.

    BTW i heard this motor really cranks out the R's. And iron cores
    regulate speed? Wow, iron inside the core.


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-GZerEwObo


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUajezZUng















    Ideally, NO iron in the core for the ZFM.
    Sincerely,
    Aaron Murakami

    Books & Videos https://emediapress.com
    Conference http://energyscienceconference.com
    RPX & MWO http://vril.io

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Aaron View Post
      Ideally, NO iron in the core for the ZFM.
      Is that like fantasizing? Ideally?

      John was talking about it tearing itself apart so he put the iron in
      to keep the speed down to what? 20G's? Keeps climbing.

      I'm just playing around here so whats the rest of the story?
      Maybe with a load on it you don't need
      to regulate it down to 20,000 rpm's?

      Can you imagine a 2 foot rotor at 20 G's? Better to load it. It is hard to
      use a motor that is everywhere on rpm's, motors need to stay the same
      I think so they can have a practical use. But the zero BEMF shows that
      the motor does not waste.
      Last edited by BroMikey; 10-03-2017, 09:40 AM.

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      • #4
        air core

        Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
        Is that like fantasizing? Ideally?

        John was talking about it tearing itself apart so he put the iron in
        to keep the speed down to what? 20G's? Keeps climbing.

        I'm just playing around here so whats the rest of the story?
        Maybe with a load on it you don't need
        to regulate it down to 20,000 rpm's?

        Can you imagine a 2 foot rotor at 20 G's? Better to load it. It is hard to
        use a motor that is everywhere on rpm's, motors need to stay the same
        I think so they can have a practical use. But the zero BEMF shows that
        the motor does not waste.
        If it has iron, it is not a ZFM.

        The window motors also should not have iron in the cores - iron gives lower speeds more torque and air gives higher speeds less torque so everyone has to figure out what balance they want, efficiency, recovery, etc...

        It is important to go to John's early school of thoughts on the air core concept. I have more early notes from John that he never disclosed publicly that I will publish at some point that goes into much of this.

        The ZFM actually does have back emf by the way.
        Sincerely,
        Aaron Murakami

        Books & Videos https://emediapress.com
        Conference http://energyscienceconference.com
        RPX & MWO http://vril.io

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Aaron View Post
          If it has iron, it is not a ZFM.

          The window motors also should not have iron in the cores - iron gives
          lower speeds more torque and air gives higher speeds less torque so
          everyone has to figure out what balance they want, efficiency,
          recovery, etc...

          It is important to go to John's early school of thoughts on the air
          core concept. I have more early notes from John that he never
          disclosed publicly that I will publish at some point that goes into
          much of this.

          The ZFM actually does have back emf by the way.
          Yes I remember John doing video with those tiny air core jobs. So why
          not take an SSG, (a Bedini) turn the coils sideways and remove the core?
          You have the air force mtr? Or Zero IRON air Force mtr. Or let's call it zero iron force motor.

          Thanks Aaron, I need those notes.



          Last edited by BroMikey; 10-04-2017, 02:34 AM.

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            • #7
              Pictures of similar builds






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              • #8
                Bromikey,

                I got some crazy ideas for this, like always I got to build, play and have fun with it... yes its interesting that its a non iron coil with little amp draw and Now only us to work it out as Johns moved on. Aaron can be of help but the best teacher is experience.

                Good luck!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bodkins View Post
                  Bromikey,

                  I got some crazy ideas for this, like always I got to build, play and have fun with it... yes its interesting that its a non iron coil with little amp draw and Now only us to work it out as Johns moved on. Aaron can be of help but the best teacher is experience.

                  Good luck!
                  John and Peter built prototypes, like a toy model to show off at the
                  science fair. Now it is up to us to build a practical one. Like all motors
                  and generators you want close tolerances. No more 1/2" gaps.

                  What this means is that like in a real motor the gap where slip in
                  calculated the gap must be brought down to at least 80 thousandths
                  of and inch. .060 is better but .090 will get you in the game. Weak
                  ferrite magnets are out. You want big strong magnets. This machine
                  has no cogging without iron in it so the bigger the better on Gauss.

                  After that, I have no words to add. I hear it runs up in RPM's without
                  any stopping point, like days I guess. It just keep going higher till it
                  explodes if you let it. I am sure it will fly into pieces. John didn't want his
                  explode so he added iron in the core after the motor reached extreme
                  speeds.

                  It is not practical to have a motor so unstable that it runs away to
                  detonation so something must be done on the order of what John did.
                  Maybe a circuit that lowers the input to match the amount of torque
                  loading needed so the rpm's do not present a danger to human life.

                  Any motor you can't turn your back on that runs away must be refined.

                  Maybe some form of magnet transmission could tap in mechanically to
                  regulate the speed.


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                  • #10
                    Bro. Mikey,

                    I am going to try and be polite about this. But you don't know what you are talking about. Aaron has already told you that the ZFM DOES have BEMF. Any motor that has BEMF will only reach a speed where the BEMF balances with the current needed to over come friction and windage losses.

                    I have built two totally different versions of motors that had only air coils with no iron anywhere in the motor. Both of them will come up to speed and then stabilize. Use your head for a little bit. A magnet is passing a coil in the ZFM. A magnet passing a coil will generate a voltage in that coil. There is your BEMF that will control the speed of the motor.

                    Yes a Zero Force Motor will turn at a higher speed just as Aaron has already told you. But it will not run away.

                    You really need to build something and test it before you start telling everyone else how to do it.

                    Respectfully,
                    Carroll
                    Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone. This means YOU especially BroMikey.

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                    • #11
                      A Zero Force Motor with nice stable speed.

                      https://youtu.be/IHtL6lGovwM
                      Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone. This means YOU especially BroMikey.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by citfta View Post
                        Bro. Mikey,

                        I am going to try and be polite about this. But you don't know what you are talking about. Aaron has already told you that the ZFM DOES have BEMF. Any motor that has BEMF will only reach a speed where the BEMF balances with the current needed to over come friction and windage losses.

                        I have built two totally different versions of motors that had only air coils with no iron anywhere in the motor. Both of them will come up to speed and then stabilize. Use your head for a little bit. A magnet is passing a coil in the ZFM. A magnet passing a coil will generate a voltage in that coil. There is your BEMF that will control the speed of the motor.

                        Yes a Zero Force Motor will turn at a higher speed just as Aaron has already told you. But it will not run away.

                        You really need to build something and test it before you start telling everyone else how to do it.

                        Respectfully,
                        Carroll
                        Hi Carroll
                        I was trying to draw a response, I got it didn't I? Thanks
                        for the video, good stuff. I am only going on hearsay at the moment
                        as I am over loaded building other projects. However any beginning
                        needs a start where information is collected.

                        Aaron has more notes on the subject so I would like for him to see if
                        is okay to release anything on John's early test. Oh yeah I got his
                        response also.

                        Thanks guys, I am getting what I asked for. I have never built this one
                        yet so all I have to go on is these tube video's however some typing is
                        good also without the real experiment in progress.

                        You and a few others have built this, like Aaron so you guys have it
                        nailed down. I am glad to hear somebody shut me down to stop me
                        from rambling that makes good sense.

                        Yes I am going to use my head now and agree with you that the RPM's
                        will stabilize due to BEMF. This one and others are toy motors. What about
                        a real motor? I am asking only. What kind of RPM's are we looking for?

                        I think John B. stated 10,000 rpm's was possible.

                        So we have a tiny bit of BEMF that will eventually slow down a
                        real motor. You have to close the gaps and use strong magnets.

                        I am not sure about what you were saying about the coils? 4 coils
                        is better than 2 coils? Is that the generator or are you talking about
                        the coils on the ZFM?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by citfta View Post
                          A Zero Force Motor with nice stable speed.

                          https://youtu.be/IHtL6lGovwM
                          And I quote John Bedini in minute 1:30 he says QUOTE

                          "THERE REALLY IS NO BEMF ASSOCIATED WITH IT"

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUajezZUng

                          Here is my point, if it has BEMF and John says there is none then
                          where do I stand on my assumptions? The reason i bring it up is because
                          others have also stated that there is no BEMF so if there is I need to
                          know because multifilar coils should be used if that is the case.

                          Anyone care to explain what John meant?

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                          • #14
                            ZFM motor thread

                            Originally posted by citfta View Post
                            A Zero Force Motor with nice stable speed.

                            https://youtu.be/IHtL6lGovwM
                            Awesome - glad to see a ZFM build - come share here if you're willing: Zero Force Motor Replication Project that is where most of the ZFM action is at.
                            Sincerely,
                            Aaron Murakami

                            Books & Videos https://emediapress.com
                            Conference http://energyscienceconference.com
                            RPX & MWO http://vril.io

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                            • #15
                              Long way to go

                              Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
                              Hi Carroll
                              I was trying to draw a response, I got it didn't I? Thanks
                              for the video, good stuff. I am only going on hearsay at the moment
                              as I am over loaded building other projects. However any beginning
                              needs a start where information is collected.

                              Aaron has more notes on the subject so I would like for him to see if
                              is okay to release anything on John's early test. Oh yeah I got his
                              response also.

                              Thanks guys, I am getting what I asked for. I have never built this one
                              yet so all I have to go on is these tube video's however some typing is
                              good also without the real experiment in progress.

                              You and a few others have built this, like Aaron so you guys have it
                              nailed down. I am glad to hear somebody shut me down to stop me
                              from rambling that makes good sense.

                              Yes I am going to use my head now and agree with you that the RPM's
                              will stabilize due to BEMF. This one and others are toy motors. What about
                              a real motor? I am asking only. What kind of RPM's are we looking for?

                              I think John B. stated 10,000 rpm's was possible.

                              So we have a tiny bit of BEMF that will eventually slow down a
                              real motor. You have to close the gaps and use strong magnets.

                              I am not sure about what you were saying about the coils? 4 coils
                              is better than 2 coils? Is that the generator or are you talking about
                              the coils on the ZFM?
                              As Cifta said, the ZFM will not go into runaway mode. Also, you can simply vary the input. Yaro has demonstrated 12, 24, & 36 volt inputs from batteries and each has its own top speed.

                              Peter's and Yaro's each has been at over 13,000 rpm I believe.

                              Real motor - Yaro hooked his to a water pump to do real mechanical work so it is a real motor that does real work.

                              The ZFM is in its infancy - there is a long way to go.

                              2 pole vs 4 pole, etc... even the 2 pole still needs to be explored as it acts a bit different than 4 pole when you look at John's old lab notes.

                              Peter made the first 4 pole version. He has coils covering 90 degrees of the rotation - each coil is 90 degrees that is. Perhaps 60 or 120 is better - all those variables need to be tested to see the optimum. Aluminum vs Iron rotor, etc.
                              Last edited by Aaron; 10-06-2017, 04:20 AM.
                              Sincerely,
                              Aaron Murakami

                              Books & Videos https://emediapress.com
                              Conference http://energyscienceconference.com
                              RPX & MWO http://vril.io

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