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  • As long as we are on this bang up job of speaking to disembodied beings, be they spiritual alien beings, or merely ones disembodied via the internet and hiding out at army counter intel at fort upchuck, or their many comrades in arms, so whatever or whoever these clowns are, well we might as well go back to the real sources of this whole supposed story of speaking to disembodied beings with blueprints for flying saucers and dispense with boozo's from left field.

    There is one interesting text I've recently run across in regards to the aforementioned and some might be interested in taking a look at this.
    Extraterrestrials Messages to Maria Orsic in Ana'kh Aldebaran Script to Build the Vril
    by Maximillen De Lafayette.


    Some of the text is visible on google books. I found this book under a search for "Jenseitsflugmaschine" and this is note worthy because of the wilful obstruction taking place to try to hide info. In this case a name so obscure as Jenseitsflugmaschine is now suddenly so important for some obscure unknown band that the first dozen feedbacks are to this band instead of the word or the more likely obvious connection it has to history and Nazi Saucers, but hey I'm sure google's searches are completely in line and has nothing to do with trying to hide knowledge, but if not then you have to be suspicious because it's absurd and simply cannot be anything other than wilful obstruction. It's CRAP like this that makes me wanna see CEO's hung by their codlings upsidedown from a lamp post.

    Not to be outdone by Google it seems Rationalwiki has jumped in to dogpile on the author as well, and seems to have done everything they could to smear the author as a flim flam artist, but a quick review of this book actually shows some very interesting fragments of little to unknown history. For example, I was unaware that Major (later General) Erich Hartman validated that Maria Orsic and her accomplice, physicist Winfried Otto Schumann, had built two smaller versions of a larger saucer, and so now I'm seriously thinking about buying this book instead of just skimming over what can be read on the net. Whether or not Maximillen De Lafeyette is a scam artist or not is really of no importance if what's contained in the book are truths.

    As for Erich Hartman, it goes without saying that most every living person of my generation and all of the ones which were living during WWII either knew who Erich Hartman was or at least had heard his name because his name is legend. Now it turns out he may have been far more important than anyone had previously realized. Gee, why would they be trying to deep six this book with credentials like those inside validating these stories?

    If you don't know who Erich was then you need to know otherwise you're an idiot in my book...Ok, not really but still I would think less of you for not knowing, and certainly not well heeled in contemporary history. And of course there's more connections, because who authors the legend's biography other than the legendary Trevor James Constable & Raymond F. Toliver.

    So much of this coming too late, most of these people are now gone, but what burns is the obvious; Like what did Trevor James Constable really hear Erich Hartman tell?



    Extraterrestrials Messages to Maria Orsic in Ana'kh Aldebaran Script to Build the Vril
    by Maximillien De Lafayette
    https://books.google.com/books?id=Ua...schine&f=false


    https://www.amazon.com/Extraterrestr.../dp/1312479280
    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ext...=9781312479289
    Last edited by Gambeir; 02-28-2020, 05:59 AM.
    "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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    • Originally posted by Gambeir View Post

      Hey man thank for posting. I mean that. I continue to work towards making experimental test models while making conjectures about how to utilize counterspace for energy and transport. Now allow me to recap a little by starting off with a hypothesis of what dielectric counterspace appears to be and how we can use it as a hyperspatial medium for travel.

      So the first thing I deduce is that a condensed form of hyperspace is the magnetic field and which can be viewed through a ferrocell. You can see hyperspace in this sense and it remains a 3 dimensional world which seems to resemble a hologram, but remember this is recirculating condensed hyperspatial medium.

      What I deduce from an observation of the magnetic field is that hyperspace is not another place. It is not a holographic world any more than water is holographic world. Hyperpspace is just another form of another medium. Water is a good analogy for the hyperspatial field because water exists all around us no matter where we are on planet earthl. For example, you could be in a desert and still the atmosphere around you has some moisture in it. With the right knowledge and some materials you can extract that moisture and condense it into a liquid fluid.

      Condensing hyperspace to form magnetism is by analogy like condensing water out of the atmosphere. We can create magnetism everywhere, at any time, in every place, and from that we can deduce that this medium which makes up the magnetic field is all around us just like the atmosphere itself is. However unlike the atmosphere hyperspace is thought to be present everywhere throughout the Universe. If it is everywhere in the Universe then it also appears to be like water vapor in the atmosphere and in that it is usually too is spread out and not condensed in to a solid state to be seen.

      The same medium that makes up the magnetic field can be also become electricity so electricity and magnetism are one and the same thing. They are not two different things but simply one thing moving in two different ways. Magnetism is a stationary recirculating form and electricity is a linear movement of the same hyperspatial medium. From these two forms of flow we could deduce the hyperspatial field as some kind of dielectric medium. *Note that this is conjecture on our part. We do not know what this substance is any more than we know what the substance is in a magnetic field line. They are one and the same material.

      Now the hyperspatial field appears to be behave as a kind of super fluid but is obviously not a liquid as we understand liquids. It merely seems to behave much like a liquid and to my knowledge the closest liquid which seems to really replicate some of it's qualities is an isotope of helium. Again we are back to using fluids as analogies for understanding. I really don't think anyone knows what the magnetic field is composed of so to my knowledge this is still a mystery, and this mystery is what produces both the magnetic field and it's variation, the electrical field, but we will for the purposes here say that is a kind of fluid or liquid.

      To travel through hyperspace means travel through another medium and we do that with other means just like we travel through water or the air with other means. We cannot do this, or even begin experimental steps to investigate how to do that without a hypothesis of what the hyperspatial medium seems to be, and that is why a person needs to have a hypothesis about the nature of hyperspace before they can seriously begin to make experiments and experimental craft which could operate in this environment. This is essentially the raison d'Ítre for the aforementioned.

      Since hyperspace is another medium which behaves like a liquid made from a seemingly dielectric soup then to travel through it means using a magneto~electric propulsion system. One, because you need both magnetism and electricity; magnetism is essentially stationary but out of which is produced electrical power, or propulsion as linear movement. So how is this ocean of magnetism that is counterspace able to work as a transport mechanism?

      Imagine that the Universe is an ocean made up of a hyperspatial (unseen and unsensed) fluid. We already know this fluid when condensed brings about a magnetic field as a form of itself recirculating back in and out of a center point; whatever the hyperspatial may be, it must be made of a medium which is essentially magnetic, and we already know that a linear propulsion system can be created by a shape which forms a V~Gate by using a tetrahedron form to act upon the magnetic/dielectric as a V~gate in 3D, and this same form can work to induct counterspace into a sphere as shown in the Virl Saucer illustrations.

      In the Vril illustrations the tetrahedrons are of two different sizes. A smaller on above the other with the center becoming a bloch wall, so there we are in reality seeing a design to induct the counterspatial field as magnetically unequal's, and evidently with an idea towards creating some kind of replusine type system involving a asymmetrical magnetic field.

      The first generation Virl drawings are showing us a Schumann Levitator, and you note that of course Schumann has a bell inside to create a resonance inside the spherical cavity, but what you may not have realized is that the purpose of this sound instrument is most likely aimed at the creation of a magnetic resonance and not a sonic resonance, and I believe that Joe Parr's experiments were aimed at obtaining a greater understanding of magnetic resonance, an which is why he was involved with spinning pyramids through a circle of alternating magnetic fields.

      All of this seems to suggest that the earth creates a resonate magneto~electric environment that interacts with surrounding bodies and keeps it in a somewhat regular orbital plane. That notion is similar to sonic induced states of suspended levitation, the earth and other heavenly bodies must also be standing in resonate standing magneto~electric waves, because after all, if gravity is the product of a magneto~electrical producing induction of hyperspatial materials then it should stand to reason that our own planets somewhat stationary placement has something to do with such a concept.

      Aerodynamics of Golf Balls in Still Air
      4. Conclusions
      This study measured the lift and drag of 13 production golf ball models propelled through still air in a laboratory setting.
      The coefficient of drag for golf balls was close to 0.5 at low speed, and decreased to 0.2 at high speed.
      The lift coefficient was positively correlated with the spin factor.
      Small differences in the drag and lift coefficient (0.02 on average) can result in large differences carry distance (18 m).
      A low and medium priced ball had the longest carry distance, travelling further than all top brand golf balls.
      https://www.mdpi.com/2504-3900/2/6/238/pdf


      Earth Revolves Around the Sun in a Spiral Path
      http://www.ijesi.org/papers/Vol%202(...-1/E243839.pdf


      Soyuz undocking, reentry and landing explained
      11:27-12:16
      https://youtu.be/-l7MM9yoxII?t=687

      13:38-14:17
      https://youtu.be/-l7MM9yoxII?t=818


      Al
      Last edited by aljhoa; 02-27-2020, 04:37 AM. Reason: 108,124

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      • Originally posted by aljhoa View Post


        Aerodynamics of Golf Balls in Still Air
        4. Conclusions
        This study measured the lift and drag of 13 production golf ball models propelled through still air in a laboratory setting.
        The coefficient of drag for golf balls was close to 0.5 at low speed, and decreased to 0.2 at high speed.
        The lift coefficient was positively correlated with the spin factor.
        Small differences in the drag and lift coefficient (0.02 on average) can result in large differences carry distance (18 m).
        A low and medium priced ball had the longest carry distance, travelling further than all top brand golf balls.
        https://www.mdpi.com/2504-3900/2/6/238/pdf


        Earth Revolves Around the Sun in a Spiral Path
        http://www.ijesi.org/papers/Vol%202(...-1/E243839.pdf


        Soyuz undocking, reentry and landing explained
        11:27-12:16
        https://youtu.be/-l7MM9yoxII?t=687

        13:38-14:17
        https://youtu.be/-l7MM9yoxII?t=818


        Al
        Thanks so much Alihoa, I've not had time to go through it deeply yet but will: Seems like this is the answer we seek.


        Aljhoa, all I say is but of course; how stupidly silly. So obvious in retrospect: Where's that dunce cap anyways? To have not thought of this before, well it's just the stupidest thing, or seems like it was. I can only hope that your epiphany was as surprising as my own. Vehicular control maneuvering by rotation huh? The less aerodynamic improvements the better huh? Hmm...? I believe I see Universe with a very large dunce cap sneaking up. No wonder the resistance to the helical orbit. It's all making a lot more sense with the lies unraveling.

        Last edited by Gambeir; 02-28-2020, 07:51 AM.
        "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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        • Originally posted by Gambeir View Post

          Thanks so much Alihoa, I've not had time to go through it deeply yet but will: Seems like this is the answer we seek.


          Aljhoa, all I say is but of course; how stupidly silly. So obvious in retrospect: Where's that dunce cap anyways? To have not thought of this before, well it's just the stupidest thing, or seems like it was. I can only hope that your epiphany was as surprising as my own. Vehicular control maneuvering by rotation huh? The less aerodynamic improvements the better huh? Hmm...? I believe I see Universe with a very large dunce cap sneaking up. No wonder the resistance to the helical orbit. It's all making a lot more sense with the lies unraveling.

          Anti-Gravity Cone?!
          https://youtu.be/LlYdjWP77Sg?t=34

          Al
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          • Pleiadian pilot explaining how they travel in space at great distance (light years ) in deep space .... very sophisticated computers and quantum mathematics calculations takes place .... she explaining the theory behind all this calculations that overcome humans mathematics and physics known on earth.... very exciting stuff and allot to learn from their science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcvTJlFqsYA

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            • What is gravity , how planets are formed , what is tractor beam and how is used by extraterestrials to make crop circles , matter out of energy and alter gravity lifting or moving objects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN-o8aumtrk

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              • Originally posted by aljhoa View Post


                Aerodynamics of Golf Balls in Still Air
                4. Conclusions
                This study measured the lift and drag of 13 production golf ball models propelled through still air in a laboratory setting.
                The coefficient of drag for golf balls was close to 0.5 at low speed, and decreased to 0.2 at high speed.
                The lift coefficient was positively correlated with the spin factor.
                Small differences in the drag and lift coefficient (0.02 on average) can result in large differences carry distance (18 m).
                A low and medium priced ball had the longest carry distance, travelling further than all top brand golf balls.
                https://www.mdpi.com/2504-3900/2/6/238/pdf


                Earth Revolves Around the Sun in a Spiral Path
                http://www.ijesi.org/papers/Vol%202(...-1/E243839.pdf


                Soyuz undocking, reentry and landing explained
                11:27-12:16
                https://youtu.be/-l7MM9yoxII?t=687

                13:38-14:17
                https://youtu.be/-l7MM9yoxII?t=818


                Al
                Now Aljhoa this part I grock.

                First off I want to remind people that there is no set distance from the surface of earth to achieve zero g's. Every skydiver has experienced zero g force, and beyond that it all comes down to orbital velocity, which according to Adam Johnston, BSC: University of St. Andrews, he states that; "7902 ms^-1 relative to the surface of the earth" is equal to zero g's as an orbital velocity relative the surface of earth. https://www.quora.com/At-what-distan...-start?share=1

                It's probably from this sort of understanding that the idea of spinning stuff really fast = gravity. That idea is, however, doomed to fail because it's lacking some important and almost always overlooked understanding and which is that: That the Earth is a Magnet and gravity is magnetic if it is anything.

                So as Soyuz returns it is first entering a magnetic field. Satellite's orbit in the thermosphere at 53 miles and above and so regardless of whatever else is claimed about gravity, it is above all magnetic and an exchange takes place between the Spacecraft Soyuz and the magnetic field as it is falling back to earth.

                The earth has a magnetic field and the space craft is falling back into an increasingly stronger magnetic field as it descends. Maneuvering is being accomplished through an interaction with the magnetic field and the conduction of the space vehicle. This control becomes greater as the falling spacecraft develops friction with the atmosphere and begins producing a visible plasma, but this effect does not happen immediately and maneuvering/control by rotation of the vehicle seems to be implied and is logical to deduce as a likely outcome.
                "The past is now part of my future, the present is well out of hand." Joy Divison "Heart and Soul LP."

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                • How gravity are canceled on pleiadian space crafts and how they are flying in gravitational field
                  ..... technical details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9914QYRENHI

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                  • Originally posted by sinergicus View Post
                    How gravity are canceled on pleiadian space crafts and how they are flying in gravitational field
                    ..... technical details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9914QYRENHI

                    Warning: This is real rant. :0

                    As an afterthought; I should say you're entitled to believe what you will but my opinion is that quantum physics is a crafted lie, a hoax, and in my opinion this pseudo-physics was created to keep the people of earth bottled up and to assume the mantel of Einsteinian Physics under a new name, and it is (without any doubt in my opinion) a criminally constructed psyop. Lies are unnecessary and often unexplainable inventions which do not make sense and usually cannot be corroborated by any logical means: Ergo, Quantum Physics.

                    The first and biggest lie in QT is that there are other dimensions:There are no other dimensions. It's idiocy and a sick joke to suppose there are, for the term dimension refers to a measurement and scales. Only an idiot mathematical savant would conclude that dimensions refers to other physical planes of reality and that's where this idea of other worlds sprung to life from; an idiot savant.

                    The other dimensions they speak of are the more complex platonic solids which are overlays that create more complex forms out a tetrahedron, but the tetrahedron is not a shadow cast off from higher realms as these lunatics imagine, rather a tetrahedron is but a form, and when you take that form and over lay it with more tetrahedron forms what you get are descriptions of other platonic solids, and this is what QT has imagined are higher planes of reality~

                    There are no other dimenison's, no other realities, it's all in one place in the hyperspatial reality, and as the dielectric conterspatial realm of the magnetic field. This idea, this perversion of sic science to say that our world is a hologram, a cast off as a shadow of other higher dimensions, it is a perversion of truth and logic, and it is a demented psyop intentionally created by criminals seeking to keep the world in darkness.

                    What is there in this perversion which makes people believe quantum physics? This is what I cannot understand because you can see that the field these people are calling the Quantum Field is in truth the hyperspatial field from which the magnetic field is born. So what these people are calling the quote "Quantum Field" is in reality the hyperspatial field of counterspace which creates magnetism. I implore others to question the objectives of this phony pretender to scientific inquiry and to instead seek answers with logical deductions and experimentation and not by filling your head with criminally inspired nonsense while paying money or, worse, going in debt with stupid loans to learn.


                    Next, the term gravity is a concept that is more than 300 years out of date and that is a description and not an explanation for energies which hold us to planet earth. Most people are walking around holding ideas in their head that are ancient history and this notion that gravity is something is one of those ideas.

                    Prior to Isaac Newton the word gravity had an entirely different meaning, as in for example; "The gravity of the situation was hysterical," or "People gravitate to beauty." Newton gave another additional meaning to the word and defined it as a part of physics: the tendency of objects to fall toward the center of the earth. Isaac Newton uses gravity in his Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica (1687, 3rd Latin ed, 1726) "A centripetal force is that by which bodies are drawn or impelled, or any way tend, towards a point as to a centre."

                    Today, thanks to propaganda, the word gravity is rarely used in it's proper context. It's been hijacked by academia to describe an effect while pretending it is something. * Note; it's a well known tool of propaganda that in hijacking an society, and overthrowing the reigning civilization, what you do is to overthrow the meaning of key words. So Newton merely added another meaning to word gravity. All the rest was done as part and party to creating a fake science with Einstein as the figurehead and now we have his successor QT. So today science is also a part of the planned future and as basic to it as a key part of the planned future and the economy that it will operate on.

                    There is no such thing as quote "gravity" Sinergicus. Gravity is not a thing, it's a description of an effect because Isaac did not know what produced the the effect, and so he chose a word that closely described the effect. Unfortunately he did not choose magnetic or magnetism or we might have a different world today if he had. Note that even under extremely conventional physics it is said that spinning matter produces gravito~magnetism, but what people do not seem to grasp is there are two forms of magnetism: Coherent and incoherent.

                    Wheeler is right and everyone else is wrong: You're magnetic, rocks are magnetic, almost everything we know of is magnetic to some degree. Pile enough crap together that's got some magnetism in it and you're going to get a coherent magnetic field. The earth has a magnetic field and poles too boot. Gravity describes what magnetism does and that's all it does is describe magnetism.

                    Ken Wheeler describes at least 7 or 8 ways to modify gravity in some of his video's, and Aljhoa posted some information a few pages back which is related to tractor beams. Gravity is a spurious term. You're stuck to a large mud ball because of a magneto~electric field which you're a part of and which is produced by the Aether passing through matter and creating an electrical field in matter. The Aether is the magnetic field. There is no quantum field, it's the Aether, and the Aether is visible as the magnetic field and you can see it in it's hyperspacial realm with a ferrocell lens. You can't touch it, you can't feel it, you can't see it normally. The dielectric field is the counterspacial field of hyperspace. That's what the quantum physics people are pretending is something else.

                    There is no single answer to over-coming this magnetic grip. The magnetic field of earth extends far in to space beyond the atmosphere. It is not the gravity field but the magnetic field of earth. The earths' magnetic field is very weak but the magnet is itself very large. All in all, and scale to scale wise, the shear scale of the earths' magnetic field is what makes it so powerful.

                    One way to approach the problem is to imagine you're this teeny tiny particle of iron and the earth is a magnet: Who shall win? You've got that as the problem and now with that simplex understanding you can proceed with ideas about how to deal with the problem. If you don't have this simplex understanding then it is highly doubtful any solution can be created which isn't one of pure chance.

                    See, look at this another way; if you can merge with the magnetic field, and which has been calculated as exceeding 10X billion times the speed of light, then ask yourself what is possible? Wheeler describes space as a shadow effect because in the hyperspatical realm of the dielectrical magnetic field space does not exist. Space does not exist because velocity is now the speed of thought. That's why they say UFO's are mentally controlled, because they are, and whatever you're holding as a thought becomes where they end up at, or seem to because, after all, your last thought before pressing the go button would be? Well where you want to go obviously. We also know this as teleportation. It seems to be something which happens from time to time to ordinary people for unknown reasons.

                    Finally and through it all, the reason I've drawn all these tetrahedrons seems to have been lost or un-comprehended, one or the other or both. Sad, but it's like why am I even trying if this is the outcome? Counter space is the ocean, the Dirac Sea's of the Universe, and it's essentially a magnetic sea for simplicity sake. If you see it that way, and if you assume that despite being idiot savants the mathematics behind QT are essentially fundamentally sound, the the base shape which produces movement in this ocean of energy is a tetrahedron.

                    It is not for no reason that Boeing is making black tetrahedrons. Oh sure yea they claim they don't but seriously how stupid do they think I am? Well obviously pretty damn stupid just judging by the sense of things, but they are, well them and their stooge friends, and that thing is flying/sailing/teleporting as it were through the dielectrical counterspatial field of hyperspace. If even a 100th of that is true then how far have we humans really gotten right now that the corporate oligarchs aren't telling you and me and everyone else about?

                    You, me, the people of this planet are being enslaved and the evidence is everywhere around us and still others insist that these mind control programs like QT are solutions. Solutions like the previous ones; like those of Einstein, like those of Nuclear Energy, and still there are those whom insist that UFO's are aliens when the evidence say's Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Airbus, Raytheon. The history of this inquiry in this thread does not argue for alien intervention but rather for human creation and imagination stemming out of practical known or suspected physics which dates back to at least the last Global War.

                    Now then: WTF is there that cannot be understood about that? Christ Sakes, how many freaking Star Destroyers does Lucass have to show you before you grasp the concept that Joe Parr stated about macro sized objects behaving like nano-scale ones?

                    Whether there are aliens or not is besides the point; what is positively sure is that by no later than the time of the Vril Drawings (WWII Epoch, or 80 years ago) this understanding of the theoretical finite shape which produced movement in the hyperspatial field was understood and that's why we see them in those same drawing, and that's why we had all these flying triangles, and now we have very speedy sharply pointed black tetrahedrons. How difficult is this to understand?
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                    • Originally posted by Gambeir View Post
                      There is no single answer to over-coming this magnetic grip.
                      Aether manipulation
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJ2fkbtQME

                      Al
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                      • 18pml026_kg_kibble_math.jpg
                        Credit Nist.Gov
                        Suplee/NIST


                        Go to the link, go down to the video, listen from 1:15 as it describes the interaction of an electromagnetic field with a permanent magnetic field. Alexey's levitator is basically described in 15 seconds @ 1:15 to 1:30

                        https://www.nist.gov/si-redefinition...kibble-balance
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                        • Discovery_of_Levitation.png
                          Credit Ovaltech

                          324 magnets and a metal disk. You just need some lightning. Or, just maybe a tesla coil with some spinning magnets going round an charged aluminum plate would do the same thing while producing an electrical current that kept the plate charged for a time.

                          http://www.ovaltech.ca/philyexp.html
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                          • I had posted A link here a few days ago to longtime FE open source researcher "Grumpy's" Topic on Gravity
                            which was sharing similar ideas to this topic...[At a Builder/experimenters forum]
                            https://www.overunityresearch.com/in...cseen#msg80271

                            had to remove old link due to access issues [now fixed]

                            As always if too off topic or ??
                            I will remove.

                            Thx
                            Chet
                            If you want to Change the world
                            BE that change !!

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                            • Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                              I had posted A link here a few days ago to longtime FE open source researcher "Grumpy's" Topic on Gravity
                              which was sharing similar ideas to this topic...[At a Builder/experimenters forum]
                              https://www.overunityresearch.com/in...cseen#msg80271

                              had to remove old link due to access issues [now fixed]

                              As always if too off topic or ??
                              I will remove.

                              Thx
                              Chet
                              Thanks very much for posting this Ramset.

                              Grumpys say; "There is a law in GFT that gives the force of gravity-like field and it is based on rotational speed, the strength of the magnetic, and the strength of the force producing precession."


                              In a nutshell;
                              this is about is gravito`magnetism, or spin dirt to get gravity (more or less) with precession as an enabling part to the whole.

                              The high velocity of rotation is required due to the fact that the dirt pile is not a coherent magnetic chunk of matter, in and of itself, it's not a magnet until it has acted upon surrounding counterspace to induct more incoherent counterspatial dielectrical energies which it does by rotating. Think accretion disk sucking in surrounding counterspace to produce a coherent magnet and that's what the spinning is about. Once you got that going on then the precession of a coherent magnetic field is produced by the change to the pitch of the rotational mass by the angle of the mass in it's orbit.

                              *Note: Think I've basically explained it, but it's off the cuff and really needs to be worked out on paper, or by a well versed helicopter engineer whom would understand all this instinctively. Basically a rotating mass has a control input which results in a change 90 degrees later. That's precession in a nutshell.

                              In other words, as another example, a spinning plate is pushed on and 90 degree's later the plate actually tilts as a response to being pushed on. That's what happens in the rotor disk of a helicopter, so if you work with those gyrations then this is all a little more common everyday thing, whereas to everyone else on planet earth it's an intense mystery.

                              The idea here is that you do this with a rotating magnetic field, either mechanically or electrically, and I'm tempted to say that of course this is what produces a gravitational field. At any rate, notice here that the whole business is about magnetism and the crap it pulls to make us all look like idiots.

                              The biggest issue is not getting lost in science. This is about magnetism first and foremost. Then it's about magnetic fields in rotation. Only after those two is it about the differences between magnetism as a coherent field and as an incoherent background or ocean that fills the universe. So the most perplexing part is to grasp why this dirt pile needs to spin at high velocity, or else be really big and then still spin at good clip, and that's because it's inducting counterspatial dielectrical energies that produce a coherent magnetic field with high speed rotation because that rotation inducts the surrounding counterspace. That counterspace is in that same plane where the ferrocell lens see's the coherent formed threads which make up the magnetic field.

                              In other words, magnetism is all around us all the time, but it's incoherent and undetectable until it's molded into a coherent field, and then with a ferrocell lens we can actually see the condensation of this material as magnetic field lines.

                              Whew~
                              OK...so...all in all, you're working with magnetism, and that's the bottom line. What confusing is this understanding that Ken Wheeler has done so much to clarify and to bring forward, and that is this realization that magnetism is one thing which comes in two basic forms. Coherent, which is the magnet we all know, and incoherent, which is counterspace and which is all around us.

                              Planets work because they are really big and are rotating at a high rate. Earth is ruffly spinning at 1,100 mph in rotation. Seems about right, 24K miles in circumference; anyways you get the gist.

                              We do not need to do that, that is we don't need to spin at nearly these velocities with a giant dirt pile just to get a coherent magnetic field because we are not working with dirt, and we don't need a huge mass of dirt spinning at high velocity just to get a precessional force large enough that it can act on a large magnetic field in rotation either.

                              Unlike most of nature we can use artificially induced coherent magnetism, electrically, or with neodymium magnets, or a combination, and that is precisely what we see going on in the Alexey Levitator, it's what we see in the Kibble Scale, and now that we are gaining on this I think we can now now look at Ovaltech's information with a greater awareness of what exists that can be exploited.

                              The trick is to grasp the fundamental about what gravity really is.

                              Not meaning to sound like a paid advertisment for Ken Wheeler, but he has worked this out already, and his video on his gravity sensing glider basically explained the concept of using two magnetic fields at perpendicular angles to re-vector the magnetic fields. Ken's version used two tiny neodymium's and a watch battery applied in such a way as create a sort of gravitational sensor, and as such it's essentially a static example which if applied using more power and a rotational magnetic field should work to create a counter to so-called gravity because remember now, gravity is only magnetism produced from induced incoherent magnetism. This is like saying you can suck in light and create a focused beam of light and we can do that with convex mirror. There's no great difference between these concepts.
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                              • Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                                I had posted A link here a few days ago to longtime FE open source researcher "Grumpy's" Topic on Gravity
                                which was sharing similar ideas to this topic...[At a Builder/experimenters forum]
                                https://www.overunityresearch.com/in...cseen#msg80271

                                had to remove old link due to access issues [now fixed]

                                As always if too off topic or ??
                                I will remove.

                                Thx
                                Chet

                                Ok, so I went to bed and slept on this. I think I explained what I think well enough and we have proven examples as well. We have the Kibble Scale, we have Chris Hardemans' experimental arrangement, we have the Alexey Levitator, and above all else we have Ken Wheeler and his work on magnetism, along with his own creation he made to demonstrate the concepts explained previously.

                                The key here is in understanding coherent magnetism and incoherent magnetism. What we call gravity is in reality a coherent magnetic field created fundamentally out of particles of matter which themselves have only incoherent magnetic fields.

                                We and other all the other parts which make up planet earth assist in creating this coherent magnet. We are our own selves producing incoherent magnetism. All matter does this for practical purposes.

                                Therefore here we have the obvious problem of a power struggle. Matter is incoherent magnetism while the totality of the planet is coherent magnetism. Now obviously you're not going to win this battle of magnetic strength.

                                To win you have create a coherent magnetic field first and then you have to re~vector the magnetic field. Wheeler has explained this repeatedly BTW. Grasping the simplicity of this concept really hinges on understanding this idea about the forces at work as coherent and incoherent magnetism. It's taken me a long time to absorb this and your post Chet brought me back to this basic understanding.

                                I think that it's possible to look at this anti~gravity issue with a clearer understanding and with that it's then possible to imagine new ways to employ enhancements in the form of force multipliers in materials and their interactions.

                                I think it's safe to say that we now have the basics. We understand what produces gravity. Everything else is now open to the innate creativity of our species. I'm hoping that this thread has produced it's own demise with this realization and that the case is drawing to a conclusion.

                                By analogy, we should be at the dawn of a new epoch, an epoch which should have taken place before most people were even born. This all should have taken place immediately after the fall of Nazi Germany if not before then. Instead we had the co-opting of academia as a for-profit enterprise selling bogus science as part and party to a criminal construct to steal peoples money and time under the guise of national security. The whole thing is on a plane which makes the discussion over the morality of dropping the Atomic Bomb on Japan seem moot. Whereas that instance has at least some points of merit and whereas this one has none at all.

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