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  • Mechanical Magnetic Torque Amplifier

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  • #2
    Linear-to-rotary actuator.

    Attaching a spiral grove gear to the wheel hub and an upright pinion to a brace on the sliding rails, should get it to self run.
    Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-10-2017, 03:15 PM.


    • #3
      Self runner.

      Click on the attachment to see it in action: Linear-to-rotary actuator: Luc's throw of around 11 mm looks as though it would spin the actuator easily. Luc's gain of 60% is way more then the transmission bearing will consume in friction loss. This is bound to begin to run itself with tolerance machining. 1/2 turn of a screw thread running end to end on each side a .43" plug, and a pinion to fit the groove.
      Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-09-2018, 10:49 PM.


      • #4
        Additional rotor magnets.

        How would pairing 12 additional magnets back to back on the rotor, doubling the magnetic rotor force overhead, effect the lateral force on the sideways traveling magnet underneath?
        Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-10-2017, 09:17 PM.


        • #5
          Double magnet test.

          I just finished hand testing the back to back magnets theory with some ceramics I have and it definitely doubles the force of side ways torsion on the perpendicular magnet to double the strength on the rotor side magnets. Luc could probably get 1000 grams of lateral force by doubling his rotor magnets.

          I tested with ring ceramics. It would be possible to build one from speaker or micro wave ceramic toroid's with 3" and 4" diameters. The throw would go from .43" to 4". The toroid 's would lay flat on the bike wheel and the stator underneath would stand upright on the treadle. The magnet travels from the edge to the center, then to the other side,, and back of the toroid and back, for throw of 2" each way on the 4" ring. That's over 8 times Luc's throw!
          Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-11-2017, 10:35 AM.


          • #6
            Toroid magnet Testing.

            An additional test with my ceramic rings has shown that hinging the lateral direction toroid at the base will cause the top of the toroid to flip forcefully from side to side the full diameter of the overhead, delivering plenty of throw to any sliding rods attached to the top.
            Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-10-2017, 11:13 PM.


            • #7

              A diametric neo tube magnet shows the same opposing rotary to lateral force on the ceramic ring. A bicycle wheel maybe way too large! The sheer force is greater then force of rotation. Luc could get his base magnet to go back and forth the same way by just spinning a diametric neo magnet over it with his Dremel tool.
              Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-11-2017, 10:37 AM.


              • #8
                Kundel linear to rotaty actuator.

                Rotating the 4 corner magnets by moving the center magnet up and down, in this Kundel actuator below, must be OU by the same factor! The linear torque must be amplified by the rotating satellites, like Luc's wheel. The sliding magnet remains fixed. Four rotating ceramics can attach to small gears and turn a larger gear attached to the hub. The magnets turn 360 degrees in the same direction, 180 moving in, the other 180 moving out.

                Imagine flip flopping four hinged ceramic discs braced around a rotating neo tube.
                Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-16-2018, 07:07 PM.


                • #9

                  We can use the Kundel Actuator as a (Linear-to-rotary) mechanisem to self run Luc's wheel:

                  Kundel Magnetics

                  A toroid magnet would be positioned at the top of a brace attached to the sliding rails, and a larger one on the wheel hub. The Kundel site shows an animation of two toroid magnets in a linear-to-rotary configuration. Click on "Reciprocating Motors" on the Kundel page. The toroids are different sizes: One, small enough to fit inside the larger's core. The larger rotating toroid has a coupled partner. They're magnetized so each half circle has an opposite charge; As the smaller toroid approaches the center of the larger one, on a straight line, the larger toroid begins to rotate 180 degrees and when the linear toroid withdraws, the larger wheel hub toroid continues to circle in the same direction.

                  The "Throw" is proportional to the distance between the toroids. Therefore we can compress them sufficiently to deliver full rotation from exactly 11 mm of throw.

                  The ring magnet below is diametrically magnetized. They're sold this way. This is what the linear actuator looks like: Very simple!
                  Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-16-2018, 07:08 PM.


                  • #10
                    Kundel operating principle

                    Take a close look at the first 15 seconds of this video; All Luc really needs is three correctly positioned magnets to transfer his reciprocating linear to rotary motion:

                    Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-11-2017, 01:15 PM.


                    • #11
                      Rotation test.

                      I built a model of the kundel prototype. It's two ceramic discs in opposition attached to the ends of a plastic stick, suspended overhead by a magnet axle.

                      The stick spins like crazy when the ceramic disc magnet stator is drawn close between the poles on the perpendicular. TDC for the spinner! The same sheer force that's powering the linear track, is put to work a second time as an actuator clutch. Same trick! You have to hit it just right! Just like a rotating Oersted current spinner. There's definitly an asymmetrical relationship between the linear force of the stator magnet and the rotational sheer that spins the stick and would power the rotor wheel! Naturally, turning the stator magnet around reverses the direction of spin.

                      The bonanza is, we add a second gain factor in the proportion Floor describes and Luc demonstrates in his exceptional video.
                      Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-11-2017, 02:37 PM.


                      • #12
                        Diametric rotor.

                        The Zen version has a diametric tube over a broad faced polarized magnet. Now, approaching the diametric neo tube from the side with a stator magnet when the N,S poles are on the perpendicular should power the magnet. I just tried this with a 3/4" diametric tube and an axial polarized ceramic disc. The Neo tube spins like crazy when the disc is closed in to it from the side when the poles of the neo are on the perpendicular.

                        A connecting rod attached to a hinged flopper magnet , can have a stator magnet on the rod that pulls into the side of the diametric neo tube at just the right time to power it! We Still hit the daily double on the twin sheer gain!
                        Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-11-2017, 03:28 PM.


                        • #13
                          1/2 turn.

                          What I determined so far is that the diametric tube only kicks securely a 1/2 turn from the approaching perpendicular magnet while applying rotor friction. The motor needs another magnet on the other end, in opposition to complete the revoloution. So two connecting rods would need to go in both directions, each one with a linear magnet in opposition on the ends.

                          In operation, the two broad faced magnets would reciprocate from side to side to rotate the neo tube from it's ends, which in turn would deflect the base magnet as the poles changed on the neo diametric tube, to drive the reciprocating rotator magnets. Three axial polarized ceramics and one diametric tube.

                          It might help Luc to place a kundel magnet on both sides of his wheel and utilize both power strokes to spin it. That would leave only a 1/4" inch gap on each side. Larger magnets can increase the throw. Probably just gluing the rotor magnets side to side may double the throw!

                          My ceramic ring is traveling the entire 1" length of the tube from end to end which is already twice the throw Luc gets from his ceramic blocks. A 2" tube would double the throw again.
                          Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-11-2017, 05:43 PM.


                          • #14

                            Luc would have to reduce his number of rotor magnets from 12 to 2, set at 180 degrees, to get the "Kundel" actuator timing to work correctly.

                            The original Kundel prototype runs from the oscillation of an amplified speaker. 1/4" throw on each side would be more then the speaker supplies to achieve rotation. Timing and precision adjustment is very important. Magnets of opposite polarity would have to be attached to each side of the rotor wheel, so the linear oscillating drive magnet could nudge them into rotation from the side at just the right moment. It would help to enlarge the two rotor magnets and position them on a smaller diameter wheel to raise R.P.M. The "Kundel" magnets should be mounted on discs that are positioned to the outside of the rotor axel on each end; as pictured below:
                            Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-16-2018, 07:08 PM.


                            • #15
                              Multiple Kundel sets

                              Instead of reducing the number of Luc's rotor magnets, we can just multiply the "Kundel" magnets on the timing discs. An array of 6 bipolar spoke sets on each side would give each rotor magnet it's own propulsion event from the reciprocating linear broad side polarized stator magnet at 90 degrees.

                              What would probably work best is "Kundel's" latest design that uses two toroid magnets of different dimensions, the smaller penetrating the air core of the larger coupled pair. The problem is the toroids would limit the number of rotor magnets to only two.On the other hand, additional magnets would add strength to the alternator. Luc showed gain on the rotary to linear actuation and the accompanying "kick". The "twist Kick" from the Kundel actuator on the axle would probably add even additional gain. Twelve kicks, six from each side staggered rotor array. This wheel could generate 10 horsepower.
                              Last edited by Allen Burgess; 02-13-2017, 01:23 PM.