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  • Magnet switch torque amplifier.

    New permanent magnet video from Gotoluc:

    Clear magnet shear OU proof. Let's review the "Magnet switch" once again:

    We should measure a difference between the force it takes to engage the magnet switch lever, and the repulsive force imparted to a magnet set against the switch in opposition. The repulsion magnet can easily act as a piston plunger to pressurize a hydraulic tank to store power. The ratio of switch force to holding strength is non linear.

    Gotoluc presents hard evidence for gain. Overunity is a reality! It would be that simple to harness the principle, and very easy to measure the gain percentage from the shear advantage with the magnet switch and repulsive piston. Way to go Luc!
    Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-28-2017, 11:52 PM.

  • #2
    Magnetic chuck.

    I was educated about the "Magnetic chuck" by user Pirate88179 over at the Overunity site. They work the same way as the switch. The one pictured below can exert 60, 000 pounds of force. Imagine two, one over the other in opposition. Gotoluc proves at least a 20% gain. 20% of 120,000 lbs would come out to 2,400 pounds of free force per power stroke! 4 lbs in delivers 5 lbs back!

    A fulcrum lever can operate a flywheel. Some of these "Chucks" operate electrically.
    Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-28-2017, 11:52 PM.


    • #3
      There is too much error in measurement to call this proof.
      All the best,



      • #4
        the purpose of Floor's Twist drive [TD] presentations ,which Luc is replicating.
        are to engage critique , not to run from it.

        any contributions towards a proper vetting of this claim are surely welcomed !

        Here is floor's original topic "Work from 2 magnets > 19%" which should be used for general discussions:
        Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2

        and another topic called "Magnets, motion and measurement" was created for beginners to discuss basic physics:
        Magnets, motion and measurement

        And the thread started by Floor for TWIST DRIVE {TD} replications , where Luc's build is presently under discussion .
        TD replications

        I am not certain if there is a topic here for this Yet [dedicated topic]
        but I will be sure to run your suggestions [or any others] past Floor and this replicator Luc

        with sincerity and respect
        Chet K
        I must add
        this work is and always has been open sourced by Floor
        with many many hours of investigation over many years , a truly wonderful fellow with the best of intentions for this world !
        Last edited by RAMSET; 12-01-2016, 05:51 PM.
        If you want to Change the world
        BE that change !!


        • #5
          (with many many hours of investigation over many years)

          Thanks to Floor, but he's still re-inventing the "Wheel"! Shear advantage over pry force has been a central principle driving the entire "Magnet Switch Industry", since before Stonehenge. What's been missing from the sector engineers is the kind of strict disciplined scientic approach to these measurements that both Floor and Gotoluc excel at. The corporate engineers conspire to conceal the OU, while promoting the advantage of the switch simultaneously.

          One engineer explained to me that it takes the same force to turn the switch on a 10 lb force unit as it does a 100 lb pull force unit. The pressure of alignment is exceeded by the pressure of the married forces in a logrythemic fashion.
          Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-01-2016, 06:49 PM.


          • #6
            Twin opposing "Chucks".

            Two magnet blocks, as pictured below, reversed and placed face to face would act as a complete test bed. One block will act like a piston from the repulsion when switched on. We can measure the force required to turn the switch with a sping scale, and then measure the magnetic repulsion between the two chucks the same way, with sping scales..

            The non-linear relationship between the throw force of the switch and amount of magnetic repulsion force between the Chucks demands an OU output at some range.
            Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-28-2017, 11:52 PM.


            • #7
              [QUOTE=Allen Burgess;295559
              One engineer explained to me that it takes the same force to turn the switch on a 10 lb force unit as it does a 100 lb pull force unit. The pressure of alignment is exceeded by the pressure of the married forces in a logrythemic fashion.[/QUOTE]

              The engineer that told you that was totally full of crap. I have worked on many of those units and the larger units take many times the force of the smaller units to turn them on and off. That is why the handle on the larger units is longer than the handle on the smaller units.
              Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone. This means YOU especially BroMikey.


              • #8

                Answers to your question "Is the switch harder to turn on and off then the model with less holding force?" from 3 NOGA engineers:

                Kevin answered:

                "No the switch turns on off the same as the smaller size"

                Selecio Gonzalez answered:

                "all the same"

                Kevin Wilshire answered:

                "Not in my opinion, I have two different models."
                Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-28-2017, 11:52 PM.


                • #9
                  This is the same principle. I think.



                  • #10

                    This is really simple to understand: Take one small magnet switch and place it over permenent magnets in opposition and equal to it in strength. We can measure the repulsion force when we turn the switch holder to "on".

                    Now, we can increase the repulsion force by adding permanent magnets to the base, without effecting the pressure required to throw the switch on the holder.

                    In this case; The force on the holder switch lever has nothing to do with the level of magnetic force released through the stators. Just like a transistor base and power source.

                    Placing any one of those magnet switches over a strong enough permanent horseshoe magnet would produce an Overunity torque amplifier.
                    Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-03-2016, 10:35 AM.


                    • #11
                      Luc's flux gate pump.


                      Two of these Flux gate units, end to end, turned so the fields are in opposition would make a simple over unity motor. Luc says it just takes 2.3 Joules to switch the flux gate. The repulsive force from the opposition of the fields with a tiny piston throw, could be millions of times Overunity!

                      The moving piston can pump a wide circumference pancake diaphragm and store the huge amount of hydrolyic pressure.
                      Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-03-2016, 03:06 PM.


                      • #12
                        Double stroke pump.

                        Wireing one flux gate coil to reverse current would give the motor an attraction event to power a double stroke pump. May fail to work, just a quick idea.
                        Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-03-2016, 04:34 PM.


                        • #13
                          switching problem

                          The bug in the soup is that the system of rotating mass has to collect the energy then release it fast to switch it at the best point to not brake the energy of the wheel then switch it back on again .load and release and the mag switch needs to be real close to the wheel . if you stack many magnets up the field extension is greater put two thick pieces of steel on them parrell to the one on each side extending out to the wheel and out behind the pair cutting the ends at a 45 % angles inwardly and put some tape on the steel pieces between the mag's and the steel how many ?? Test test test then put a small piece of steel cut on 45 again on the rear end making a flux controlling switch can need a some tape on the small steel piece if it locks up to much this is controlling the flux and will shut it down and give reach to the wheel . flux intensity and steel thickness is tricky . good hunting .


                          • #14

                            Have read about the magnetic Wankel from Japan many years ago the magnet would track in a circular path next to a steel or magnetic track getting closer all the time till back at top dead center a electro mag would fire and send it on its way .why not use a toriotial coil and pulse it dead to flux like Stearns . they say they were OU.


                            • #15
                              Scotch yoke.

                              Gotoluc proposed an attraction rotary motor concept for his flux gate. I simplified that into a repulsion reciprocator.

                              Four flux gate switch's could run a reciprocating motor with a "Scotch Yoke" for circular output.

                              Two flux gate switches on a linear glide tracks, end to end, could be powered by two stationary ones at each end. The repulsion throw can be controlled by increasing tthe magnet strength in the flux gate stators. Tthe "Scotch Yoke" can convert the linear to rotary motion. This motor could scale up to generate any amount of free power due to "Switch cost non-linearity".
                              Last edited by Allen Burgess; 12-28-2017, 11:52 PM.