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  • bistander
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    Same old BS

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ...
    bi,

    Just because YOU donít believe the generator works doesnít make it a non functioning device. Can the stock MY1020 turn the rotor with magnets on it at 2800 rpm on 24 volts? Look at the specs on the motor. Of COURSE it can. Is it able to do it for less than 12 amps with no coils in place? Even a fool would say it can.
    Can a coil be built that produces 130 volts at 1.5 amps under load? You want to argue THAT point? I didnít think so. Would 12 of them produce between the 1800 and 2000 watts I claim? Sure it would. No POSSIBLE argument there.

    Your only possible argument is that when these component parts are put together, their interaction causes a change to one of these parameters.
    1. Lenz causes the motor to bog down when the coil is under load. But delayed Lenz does not and THAT has been proven by lots of folks.

    2, Magnetuc drag also causes increased amp draw of the motor but THAT is cancelled out by magnetic neutralization.

    3. Constant switching of polarity in the iron core causes heating of the cores. But a water jacket APPEARS to solve that problem. I have built it. It works. Your BELIEF and insistence does not compare to my KNOWLEDGE. When I get it back together I will show inputs and outputs to some folks. But never YOU bi. You are right where you deserve to be. In the dark. LOL.
    Turion,

    These are not proof, evidence or demonstration of your claim for the 1800/240 generator. They are arguments; poor ones at best.

    Except for #3, I've explained the flaws in your theories and logic. I know I'll never see your generator operate with the input and output powers as you claim. Nobody ever will.

    BTW, did you ever figure out the Lorentz force?

    Regards,

    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    And it isn't about the $$ at all.

    I don't trust you anymore.

    After over a year my son asked me where the scope was. I forgot all
    about it. This was not for me it was for the boy and young people keep
    track when it is about them. So I contacted you privately, I never went
    public for 2 years accusing you.

    I have never trusted many things about you but lets not focus on
    character flaws, let us do the best we can with what each has to
    offer. Also I told you for years to use smaller magnets and more of
    them would be better and you finally tried it out. Or someone in
    the back ground did and did you acknowledge my input? No you
    told me I was to follow your design and come back then.

    From the beginning I told everyone I follow Thane Heins work.
    I tried some of your coils.

    So you want more than $20? How much?

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  • Turion
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    ??

    What happened to the emails that you said you have that 'prove" all this? Oh wait, it DIDN'T happen like you say, so you have no emails to prove it, so you make up whatever story you want. Good job. Oh, and it was more than $20 to ship that oscilloscope. Have you actually ever shipped something by UPS before? LOL

    And by the way, I looked back at my emails with you and the reason I didn't send you the o-scope right away was because you said you already HAD ONE. When you explained to me that you wanted it for your son, I sent it within DAYS. So I KNOW what those emails say, and they do not say what YOU claim the do.

    And it isn't about the $$ at all. I could care less about the money. It's about trust. I don't trust you anymore. It's THAT simple. You accused ME of not doing what I said I would, even though I have stated MANY times that I will demonstrate inputs and outputs when I get the machine back together. I don't see anyone here chipping in for the wire and plastic I need to do that, so they will just have to wait. If they went info sooner, build it themselves. All I was showing is that YOU have NO ROOM to talk about others. NONE.
    Last edited by Turion; 10-27-2019, 02:31 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Bro Mikey,

    You are correct. I threw in a rotor with magnets, I believe when I sent the oscilloscope. Might have been later. You CLAIMED to be replicating .....

    My mistake now I require people to pay me for the shipping up front

    I paid a BIG shipping bill on stuff I sent to another country and never heard from that individual again, except to ask for MORE help, which I declined to give.

    .

    I asked you how much at the time and you said that it was okay. This
    was last year. You could have had the $20 bucks for shipping then but
    instead you wait a year later to attack me openly never contacting me
    by email to resolve unfinished business.

    Because you were shipping more than I wanted you said let it go.
    I asked you how much at least twice. How much? Now you want me
    to pay after your sick insulting behavior that is a brazen boast of how
    you spent so much and no one is paying up?

    So the goal once again it to belittle to boast and brag never considering
    how others feeling might get hurt. This is a bad way to collect what is
    due you but that is not your goal.

    This is what happens when people get entangled with so called buddies
    that you would be willing to go this route as usual to demean others
    over a gift you offered and then some.

    Why are you fussing at me for $20? What is the goal? To get your money?

    Very sad ending, you are slipping bad.

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  • Turion
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    Parts

    Bro Mikey,

    You are correct. I threw in a rotor with magnets, I believe when I sent the oscilloscope. Might have been later. You CLAIMED to be replicating and I wanted you to have the best chance to be successful. Just like you CLAIMED you would reimburse me for the shipping on the oscilloscope. Neither time did I demand proof. Both times I took you at your word. My mistake now I require people to pay me for the shipping up front before I send them stuff. I paid a BIG shipping bill on stuff I sent to another country and never heard from that individual again, except to ask for MORE help, which I declined to give.

    bi,

    Just because YOU donít believe the generator works doesnít make it a non functioning device. Can the stock MY1020 turn the rotor with magnets on it at 2800 rpm on 24 volts? Look at the specs on the motor. Of COURSE it can. Is it able to do it for less than 12 amps with no coils in place? Even a fool would say it can.
    Can a coil be built that produces 130 volts at 1.5 amps under load? You want to argue THAT point? I didnít think so. Would 12 of them produce between the 1800 and 2000 watts I claim? Sure it would. No POSSIBLE argument there.

    Your only possible argument is that when these component parts are put together, their interaction causes a change to one of these parameters.
    1. Lenz causes the motor to bog down when the coil is under load. But delayed Lenz does not and THAT has been proven by lots of folks.

    2, Magnetuc drag also causes increased amp draw of the motor but THAT is cancelled out by magnetic neutralization.

    3. Constant switching of polarity in the iron core causes heating of the cores. But a water jacket APPEARS to solve that problem. I have built it. It works. Your BELIEF and insistence does not compare to my KNOWLEDGE. When I get it back together I will show inputs and outputs to some folks. But never YOU bi. You are right where you deserve to be. In the dark. LOL.

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  • BroMikey
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    Awe Turion I really expected so much better from you. What about
    all these rotor parts and magnets to go with them? I never asked for
    them yet you freely gave them to me. Prove it?

    I expected so much more than this, you must have had a bad week.

    You have a big heart and want to give to much, just slow down and come
    back later after you finish the other work and your new build. You have
    many good points and this is where we should focus.

    Let's stick together like free energy bros...... should, I mean
    we have been there to work things out before right? I don't want to sound
    like a cry baby?

    God Bless you David Bowling

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  • bistander
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    B.S.

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    The problem with you and bi and so many others is you want everything given to you on a silver platter. Nobody gave me anything. I ran into tons of problems and solved them all myself at considerable expense. REAL researchers see a glimmer of hope and explore it. You sit around and wait for others to not only SOLVE the problems, but then they must PROVE to yo that they have solved them. That is not a researcher. That is a crybaby.

    I promised I would show how to build a free energy device. I have done that. I never promised to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it works. You have been given an opportunity. I gave it to you. What you DO with it is up to you.

    By the way, I really want to see those emails you have that PROVE I promised to give you that oscilloscope for two years or that I didnít want to be reimbursed for shipping. I really do. LOL.
    The problem with you and bi and so many others is you want everything given to you on a silver platter.
    Not me. I never asked for a silver platter. All I asked was proof of your claim.

    Not unlike what you ask of BM in your last paragraph.
    I really want to see those emails you have that PROVE ...
    You said:

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    I promised I would show how to build a free energy device. I have done that.
    That's a load of BS. You never showed a free energy device so how could you have shown how to build such? Face it. You never built anything that delivered a single joule of free energy let alone was able to do anything useful. Saying that you have doesn't cut it. Proof or at minimum a legitimately instrumented demonstration or verified data from such is required, or your claims are just BS.

    Remember this?

    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    Originally posted by Turion
    Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input. ...
    Please show us proof of this simple claim:

    Input power = 240 watts

    Output power = 1800 watts

    Simultaneously measured, real power, DC amps * DC volts or AC watts.

    Been waiting a long time to see this.

    Thanks,

    bi
    You can click on my post quote and go back to the original post and thread. But not yours because you deleted your original post. I quoted part of it as shown above. It was a post by you directed to Ufopolotics bragging about your 1800Wout/240Win generator.

    That was the first time I asked for proof of your claim publicly. Before then, I was communicating with you privately attempting to help you understand why folks on other forums did not take you seriously. I thought that was going well with you learning to correctly use energy units and such. You had told me of your generator and said you'd show me data when you got it. I was content to wait..... Until you made your performance claim publicly. At that time, only after you went public, did I go public with the proof request. I don't see anything wrong with what I did. Proof of claim is commonplace and expected, if not required as in the scientific community.

    And that is all I have ever wanted from you. Simple proof of that claim. But you can't deliver. Why? Because it is a false claim.

    Regards,

    bi

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  • Turion
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    Liar?

    If you have emails proving it took me two years to send the oscilloscope, prove it. More like several weeks. MAYBE two months. I also never refused payment. Actually, payment for shipping was the condition for GIVING it away.

    Iím not required to defend you by the way. If you canít defend yourself that is YOUR problem.

    I have plenty of results and data from the different versions of my machines over the last 12 years. Lots of videos I shot to send info to Matt. But every version had its problems, until I finally figured out the heat issue.

    The problem with you and bi and so many others is you want everything given to you on a silver platter. Nobody gave me anything. I ran into tons of problems and solved them all myself at considerable expense. REAL researchers see a glimmer of hope and explore it. You sit around and wait for others to not only SOLVE the problems, but then they must PROVE to yo that they have solved them. That is not a researcher. That is a crybaby.

    I promised I would show how to build a free energy device. I have done that. I never promised to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it works. You have been given an opportunity. I gave it to you. What you DO with it is up to you.

    By the way, I really want to see those emails you have that PROVE I promised to give you that oscilloscope for two years or that I didnít want to be reimbursed for shipping. I really do. LOL.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post

    I revealed everything about my generator in July of 2018,

    YOU people are simply NOT my priority.

    I have had working versions since 2007. Attached is a picture of the THIRD version I built in 2009, with blocks stacked on top of each other that held the coils. Which just had tons of problems. I shared data from some of those builds, but never TOTAL output from the machine, just output from 1-3 coil pair of the 12. Each redesign has been for a reason and has solved problems that showed themselves. I have NEVER showed the water cooled version because it hasn't been built, just tested on the coil tester.
    More data from the old grumpy guy

    Dang I can't wait till I get mine running and Dave will have moved on to paper clips, rolls
    of wire and ardoo's

    What is that 12 years ago? Over a decade and still can't produce.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 10-26-2019, 02:03 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    In that design you NEVER tap the primary circuit, so no need to let anything "build up". You simply give the circulating energy a PATH OF LESS RESISTANCE by going through a 3rd coil that is switched on and then off. (re-establishing the primary loop again) And ADDING to the primary loop with the spark of the 3rd coil collapsing as it is switched off. No energy is EVER taken out of the primary loop. It is simply diverted to a slightly different path to do some work. The third coil is wound on a 1:1 transformer that gives power for use OUT from the 4th coil through induction in pulses as the 3rd coil is switched in and out of the circuit. You pay for switching costs unless you use something free as a switch. Over time, because of the collapsing coil, energy builds up in the loop. I have NEVER done an electrical measurement of the build up, but I HAVE measured an increase in the magnetic field the coils produce with a gauss meter. And that's all I have to say about THIS project too. So have fun, or NOT.
    Understood your are something else, don't stop now

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Bro Mikey,
    You are not someone I would ever trust with everything
    I know. I offered to GIVE you my older oscilloscope for your son to use
    if you would pay me for the shipping.
    .........you kept bugging me to get it to you, which I did.
    But did I ever get paid for the shipping?
    Trust has to be earned, buddy.



    So you are finishing up by calling me a crook and a liar over the couple
    of bucks at the time I offered to at least pay shipping? Bugging you?
    You kept saying that you would send it for 2 years so by that time
    you rejected my payment for shipping. I have the emails.

    No big surprise that you are treating me in such a manner today as
    you always have off and on for 6 years. I have over looked all of it.

    I have encouraged you to keep up the work, always kind to you.
    However you and some others never liked the massive overload of
    youtube video's I post or big print or this or that excuse as to why
    I am not welcome so you then come to my threads.

    You guys are a mess. I am glad for the things you have shown me but
    should I also thank you for your twisted reality and insults against
    me for 6 years? Should I thank you for never sticking up for me when
    attacked daily on your threads? Then instead you back up the attacker?

    Should I have enjoyed being bullied and ridiculed that I was all talk
    and had no bench work to show for? Should I rejoice when I presented
    the bench work and never get much response over the years other than
    it doesn't look right?

    Your approach is that it is your bench work far exceeds all others
    everyone else is less than good enough, always craving the spotlight

    Should I have enjoyed all these character flaws on full display?

    And now you call me a robber? Why am I not surprised? I have endured
    all these things and still think you are a great guy.

    Now just stick to the project, no carrying on about how you are helping
    your dear ole mother? Give it a rest and man up. You said it now you
    are the one stuck with your own words. I doesn't matter to me, I already
    have the data off my bench. Oh and each step of the way on bench testing
    I got no response or help. What I have is from me and me only.

    Should I now be all broken up when you say that we are to blame for
    your inability to honor your own words as you exit the class room?
    Should I be falling apart? Should I be surprised?

    Just stick to the material or substance and quite your boasting because
    you are to old to come thru

    Last edited by BroMikey; 10-26-2019, 01:53 AM.

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  • Turion
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    Info

    Bro Mikey,
    You were kind enough to give your honest evaluation of me, so I will return the favor. You are not someone I would ever trust with everything I know. I offered to GIVE you my older oscilloscope for your son to use if you would pay me for the shipping. I got busy and you kept bugging me to get it to you, which I did. But did I ever get paid for the shipping? Not so much. Trust has to be earned, buddy.

    I revealed everything about my generator in July of 2018, so it has been 14 months since I started working on getting SOMETHING back together. I have 3 different versions in pieces from the move to the new house. and somehow, a base plate got lost in the move. I still can't figure out HOW. The entire time I have been remodeling two houses. And helping my mom with work on hers. YOU people are simply NOT my priority. If you want to whine that I haven't proven it works, that's fine with me. I DO NOT CARE. You certainly are not hurting ME even one teenie tiny bit. Build it or DON'T. It is YOUR loss, not mine.

    I have had working versions since 2007. Attached is a picture of the THIRD version I built in 2009, with blocks stacked on top of each other that held the coils. Which just had tons of problems. I shared data from some of those builds, but never TOTAL output from the machine, just output from 1-3 coil pair of the 12. Each redesign has been for a reason and has solved problems that showed themselves. I have NEVER showed the water cooled version because it hasn't been built, just tested on the coil tester. But I have showed MANY videos of the generator running. So to say showing a picture of a rotor doesn't mean I have built a machine is just plain STUPID. There have been tons of pictures AND videos.

    I guess this is my cue to say I am leaving the forum. It's been a week, so I am due.
    Attached Files

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  • Turion
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    clarification

    In that design you NEVER tap the primary circuit, so no need to let anything "build up". You simply give the circulating energy a PATH OF LESS RESISTANCE by going through a 3rd coil that is switched on and then off. (re-establishing the primary loop again) And ADDING to the primary loop with the spark of the 3rd coil collapsing as it is switched off. No energy is EVER taken out of the primary loop. It is simply diverted to a slightly different path to do some work. The third coil is wound on a 1:1 transformer that gives power for use OUT from the 4th coil through induction in pulses as the 3rd coil is switched in and out of the circuit. You pay for switching costs unless you use something free as a switch. Over time, because of the collapsing coil, energy builds up in the loop. I have NEVER done an electrical measurement of the build up, but I HAVE measured an increase in the magnetic field the coils produce with a gauss meter. And that's all I have to say about THIS project too. So have fun, or NOT.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    You silly boys act like I owe you something. I donít. See ya!
    This response based on the evidence recorded in the public domain is the
    same as the "F" word. It means little to me since I know the data first hand
    however for your future success it would be better to apologize to the
    public who will be the one's looking at a purchase of your devices.

    I am only looking out for your best interests. Chose a public relations
    team who can back up the companies offer. That puts you out.

    Oh Turion what am I ever going to do with you?

    Remember how you stated weekly for 6 years that you were never
    coming back? To funny. Regardless of the reasoning such as
    your psychology you must eventually do better with all those character
    flaws

    Flaws people have can be overlooked. I like you Turion. This iswhy I am
    giving you my honest evaluation. Oh yeah and 3D printing or having
    a rotor built for you, setting it in front of a camera is not a complete
    unit. You will have to finish it with or without us and it will take you a
    number of years I am quite sure.

    Maybe at age 70?

    I hope the experimenter here will look at all of the threads where you
    HAVE given them all of the answer they will ever need to build a working
    RegenX generator head of your specific breed. We really don't need
    you for that anymore.

    The New Basic Free Energy Device is another chapter better left to
    someone with greater electronic skills.




    I the picture above the magnetic lock goes on forever and using small
    pulses you can drain off millions of tiny joule blocks while the field
    builds itself back up in between pulses.

    Pretty cool.






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    Last edited by BroMikey; 10-25-2019, 10:05 AM.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hmm, interesting response.
    What is done to one, is done to all.
    What is done to all, is done to yourself.
    For you are me and I AM you.
    peace love light

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