Splitting The Positive

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, it could be used between the positives, it was a response to dragons post on basic free energy device thread, since i saw him post about it again here.
It does seem to be working well and is quite efficient.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi mike, it could be used between the positives, it was a response to dragons post on basic free energy device thread, since i saw him post about it again here.
It does seem to be working well and is quite efficient.
peace love light

I am thinking about so many things. I am not sure what your
post refers to.


Also @ Everyone

This is the difference between a scooter motor commutator and
treadmill commutator. If anyone with motor design background could
come to my thread to help?

It can't be that hard, can it?

[BroMikey]

So no one is tall enough to fill my order? No big shock
I am the same way just tell me to jump and how high but never
question why.

I got my inverter in the mail today and I really like this modified motor
can't shake the feel I get because the results are just like Dave
(Turion Man) says it is, the primaries go down so slow you are not sure
if they are moving while the charge battery drinks up bundles of
joules with excess left over to burn.

Someone who is a motor genius can chime in anytime now and tell
me what they think the best way would be to hook up the commutator
on this 2 brush motor. Any takers?

I got confused because the wires were melted together and I did
not realize that this wasn't a factory connection even tho it looked
that way. Then when looking on the google images I find 100's
of motor designs and a simple scooter motor escapes the world
wide library.

Like when i use to look for a break down of a V8 engine and could
not find a good image. Google images are greatly lacking for sure.

It's not a challenge for the novice since normal motor design needs
to be a common place thought so that predictions might be made
based on the new alteration.

Also i am wondering how hard it is to move a commutator? Only
a motor builder would know the answer.

I looked at my scooter motor brushes and it looks like 2 brushes
are hooked to the positive wire leaving 2 negative not like
I have shown in one of the pictures so I have corrected the second.

So right now I am shooting in the dark. I will scope this properly
altered motor and learn (reinvention the wheel) all by my lonesome
if this is the best I can do.

I will learn it all, spell it all out, scope shots included and someone
will come by and say "I could have told you that"

Yup. What was the question now?
What i do have working is my scooter motor that is modified.

Like I say, it is working but I don't know why yet.

[BroMikey]

Dc motors are AC coil waveforms, all chopped up. Here I will start
to explore a simple DC motor so I may understand how the modified
motor has been changed. This is important because this mod.motor has
an AC winding (Or a Coil) that gets chopped up by the commutator and in
the end somehow recharges the battery that it is drawing power from.

Very important. Now if I said that the motor drew power from a battery
we can all understand that as we watch the meter show that the
voltage is steady going south. That we all can understand.

But I didn't say that did I?

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CLtlkl6fM[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

Basic DC motor rewinding instruction video.

Thanks UFO


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehJV2m27Ug8[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oxJMkN4HVg[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

I decided to put the stinky motor back on
(The smell is almost gone now.) I left the room.
anyway put it back on the split 3 gen system and
then popped the scope on it. Look at the crazy ringing. New
inverter and new rotor build, got some brushes to add so it
become a 4 brush unit.

I ran it all day starting at 24.25vand the run batteries are still 23.83v
and have run power all day keeping battery 3 charged up.

[BroMikey]

Some observations

When running the mod motor and UPS circuit to sneak a few joules
off of the charge battery the motor will heat up after 2 hours to a
mild warm. If I am not taking off power, just charging battery 3 the
motor stays almost cold for 8 hours.

When taking power off battery 3 with UPS batteries 1 & 2 get a break
and the draw decreases slightly but definitely there.

Also when using just the mod motor with booster the amps creep up
as the charge in battery 3 goes up. I set the voltage and the amps will be about 1.25 amps at the starting charge voltage of 12v and then after
the charge increases the amps will go up to as high as 2 amps when
voltage reaches 14v or 14.5v.

I usually back it down so the charge rate stay the same.

I have some stepper motors for generator assisted charging.

According to the meters dc magnet motors put out AC voltage AND
DC voltage. So this means both AC and DC are hitting the batteries.

If I put a drill motor chuck on any magnet motor and spin it up the
meters show more AC than DC voltage being produced.

On another note studying motor design windings needing epoxy
coating are roasted in an oven as HIGH TEMP epoxies are used.

That is all I have here right now and my shop toaster oven will work
just fine. Another tidbit the treadmill motor got fitted with 2 more
brushes. I will show the pictures later after HT epoxy is completed.

Mission in progress.

[BroMikey]

I have an update on the 3 battery split positive modified
scooter motor's ability to recharge batteries.

I have 1 battery that has dropped to 8.75 volts from 10.5 volts
in a matter of minutes and have decided to recharge these batteries
using the SSSG what a miracle battery charger it is.

I have not done much in the way of comprehensive data collecting
rather I have run these 3 batteries down over a 30-40 hour run
getting use to how the booster recirculates, how the UPS or modified
motor works with the booster to recycle energy around the circuit.

When the batteries got down to 11.50v in all three batteries I
remembered how the system requirement called for 4 batteries
so that charging impedance might be lowered.

The reason this came to mind was that my batteries were now
running with only the mod motor in an effort to regain some
energy back into them so I could return to the normal split
positive drawing off energy.

Then I remembered the words of Turion, he stated that not only
will I need batteries in reserve so charged batteries could have a
rest period to save ions but to get a 1:1 COP I would need some
form of generator to capture the mechanical energy being wasted in
the modified motor.

Dave also has stressed how he has spent 1000's upon 1000's over
the past 8 years to achieve what most of us should consider awesome
COP'S of 3,4,5,6 depending. Also before Dave deleted all of his
video research his generator could be seen what looked like some
form of either Adams or Cole flat plate flat coils as Generator.

Here is what I have concluded so far. The split positive 3 battery
with modified motor are the root and a great starting point. This is
a super way of recycling battery power extending run time using
an inverter.

To get the high COP's that DAVE talked about taking him 8 years to
get this far you will need a flywheel and somewhat larger disk for
generating coils than the modified scooter motor is.

So the first step is learning the basic SPLIT POSITIVE circuits

The second step is how the modified motor can charge 2 parellel
batteries due to the lowered impedance like Dave has shown in
his video. In Dave's video his run batteries lost 4 tenths of a volt
in one of his tests while the 12 charge batteries gained a total
of 12 tenths.

Keep in mind that this second step requires that you have a huge
impedance differential between run batteries and charge battery sets
so if you are not willing to buy the number of batteries needed to make
this test, you are out.

Third step, not only utilize step 1 & 2 but also come up with an
advanced generator section that resembles some of John Bedini's
work that offers a low lenz effect as well.

I was going to say GOOD LUCK? No because luck is only
for horseshoes and hand grenades and this work will call for a much
greater degree of accuracy.

So again 1= learn the spits number 2 learn impedance manipulation
and the Modified Motor and finally #3 choose wisely on your generator
systems.

Now this is not a declaration of a finally authority on the subject
just some hot air bantering on a subject that I only know slightly.

In other words I need to hear myself talk so I am sure that what I
have stated is close to the right path, when others chime in and
validate.

Other than that, I have little direction toward the end goal or any
step along the way. So far I have managed to discharge these
batteries and have another matching set of really nice 35ah deep
cycles to introduce into the project.

My batteries before conversion to ALUM run around $100 so get
your money out or go home. The Alum helps me to rest better
at night when I have left my setup almost dead at around 3volts
knowing that I can still recover them next week.

It's gonna be sweet.

[BroMikey]

I have several different coils I have worked with
over the years. Air core, ferrite core and cores made out of welding
rod. Several of them will speed up under load.

Now maybe I am all wrong about this, but my generator speeds up
under load at a specific rpm and that is the reason for my belief.

There are many things to learn hidden in your very short post but I always
get something out of them. Some would say you are doing the same
thing as other who designed flat disk motors and coils of the past.
I would say that is part of what we are doing here. It looks like to me
we are witnessing a combination of principles all wrapped up into one
package taking advantage of battery energy at the lowest level on up
into greater amounts.

We have been told that you can not recharge a battery while recharging
a battery by John Bedini but in some cases John shows us that we can.
In order to stop the losses regaging is also addressed.

In the ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM series John shows us in some circuits
a capacitor is charged and then is completely removed from the charging
circuit and put OVER or across the input yet not in all cases.

Acceleration of the rotor thru the use of coils that store more voltage
because they are 5 times longer than normal causes a delayed response.
Well this is one theory as you already know. Instead of the approaching
magnet coming under the influence of a short coil conductor whose
length is cut to immediately react in a timing cycle the added length as
well as the consideration of capacitance produced by multifilar series
wound coils will throw out the standard timing.

Today's normal designs are based on 120 year old short coils with huge
pulling power North South Top dead center quick fast up to speed
with little thought of how things might be further advanced. We have all
heard how Tesla did not finish his work or how his work went underground
for 20 years after his lab was torched.

The fact is that Tesla did what we are doing with series wound multifilar
coils and was forbidden to go public with much more than that.

Litzed multifilar coils wound in series are said to cut off the EMF, increase
capacitance giving us a huge storage of energy plus increased voltage.

Said to break Lenz law. Acceleration of a rotor under load that causes
a power increase on the input is not what we taking about. What we are
after is a coil (Generator Coil) that when engaged does not drag down
the adjacent motoring coil thereby draining out more current from the
input source.

So many times I have witnessed this discourse where everyone talks all at
once, no one taking the time to thoroughly express the proper relationship
of input VS rotor assisting generator coils.

Who the hell wants to argue that their coil (generator coil) draws down
the input because it is doing nothing more than motoring. I don't give a
rats rear end what that lunk head calls his coil, if if it pulls down the load
or costs more input power THAT coil (his coil) is not assisting.

Assisting means the it is helping, now I know that you understand me
clearly Dave of this I have no doubt. So I had to get that cleared up
first thing. Again as silly as it may sound I will repeat this for all of those
who have come under the influence of certain confusing so called
inventors declaring accelerating a coil under a load only pulls more
power so nothing to see here go home.



If people are going to claim genius status let them at least make the
distinction between motor coil and generator coil. Again redundantly
a motor coil generally draws power from the source and a generating
coil puts it back.

Other designed in between use 1 coil and switching and again this is
not what we are talking about HERE. Standing on one foot playing
hop scotch is not the same as hop scotch fair and square so forget it.

Now how hard is that and yet some come here spitting mad making
all kinds of claims that they hold the keys come and see.

The generating coil can put power back into a battery in more than one
way. It can be used in the conventional format slowing the motor down
or dragging the motor down so as to stop the motor from rotating. The
power from the generating coil set sends energy back to the battery
and stops the motor thru drag.

If I were to keep the input going to the motoring coils while ALSO
engaging the generating coils my input power would double and triple
and burn up the windings.

In our case we want to operate a group of motor coils and run a set of
generator coils that help the motoring coils. When the generator coils
are made right and begin to assist motor coil action speeding up of the
rotor will occur. This speeding up should be accompanied by a drop
in motoring coil input power or the so called assisting coil set is
conflicting with motoring coils.

As you pointed out that the coil must be wound to get the right speed
where assisting comes in the proper timing. You will never figure it all
out using math to start with.

A one coil kick back gives so many percentage points return but is not
the whole answer as John showed us with the energizer. Like the
big machine, some coils act to motor and others generate.

All I have to go on is this. Thane Heins taught me his bi-toroidal
transformer need a different core material even at 60hz and I learned
that first hand. Much to my surprise I learned the using fast core materials
(If we want to put it that way) is not a waste or not needed at a low
frequency.

Everything mean something this I am learning. Thane also has shown
how ReGenX coils using a very long and very thin wire will begin assisting
rotor action at a much much lower RPM/freq than other coils.

This is a huge amount to work with, Thanks to previous research.

Lastly I can not stress enough that not only a core material change
should be implemented but also a 5X length of wire that of standard
coils. WHY? That is easy. When your core material density changes
by reducing the amount of heavy iron you need more windings to make
up for the lower field concentration. Well I don't know if I said that
properly by university terminology or not.

I'm just a wayward city boy in search of the country boy life.

Happy loading.

[BroMikey]

I started a thread to talk about this and
about why I believe that was happening, but it got derailed into an argument about whether or not the generator SHOULD speed up
under load, so that discussion never took place.

Thaine Heinz has ............... theorized ....................

I have four different coils of different sized wire, different number of strands, different core material, and all will speed up under load at DIFFERENT rpm's.

................. run a small rotor right on the motor shaft with magnets on it.


Introduce a coil to the magnetic field of the rotor and let the testing begin.


Once you find the rpm at which your coil will speed up under load, remove some wire and take note of the effect. Add a second coil of the same size and see what you have to do to get BOTH to speed up under load. You will learn how many batteries it takes to reach the required rpm for the number of coils you have, the size of your rotor, the strength of your magnets and the Length and size of your wire. The you can start designing systems to give the best output.

Solid rotor or metallic. I see aluminum and plastic but two different
theories.

[BroMikey]

I'm using plastic rotors cut on a CNC or built
with my 3d printer. Matt has done it with wooden rotors, and many
of our small prototypes are made of plywood because it is cheap.

I saw one of John Bedinis rotor way back had 'N" then "S" then "N"
again and so on. I see Thane uses the "N" then "S" alternating
pole magnets and then Some do it all north poles.

Horse shoe cores with opposing poles.
Aluminum rotors that conduct magnetic flux around motor coils and back to generator coils
on the same disk.

Gerard showed a horse shoe core that wouldn't ring, did you see it?

[BroMikey]

I guess it depends on what you want to
achieve with your rotor. All North magnets get you one thing, while
N/S/N/S gets you another as far as output goes. I don't know if
Thane is using an aluminum rotor or a STEEL rotor to get that
conduction back to the motor on the setup you are talking about.

Yes that is the right word. I watched Gerard this week talk about
those cores out of the pump motors. If you have not seen Gerards
recent video you missed something I consider good.

I am speaking to you about this "C" core because you use to have a
video that had a rotor with a bunch of those pump motors around
the entire outside.

Gerard came up with another good find. He use to call everything
RADDY-A-TION remember? Well now he is on a "resonance" kick.
He like me has a good number of those pumps that for some reason
do not work. They hum and the circuit inside is good but they don't
turn.

I looks at my circuits on these pumps that are news ones and the
boards can be taken out and put on another pump and they take
right off.

The windings are new and intact, thermo-fuse is brand new also yet
it will not turn. WHY?

Gerard shows you why. Gerard has removed the spools of wire on a
weak magnet pump motor (which could be used to generate)a dead
pump (a pump that hums but won't turn) and a great working pump.

Next Gerard holds the bare "C" core up and rings it like you would if
you were holding a TUNING FORK and hitting it on something.

The core is being struck by a small piece of tool steel to get it to
ring. The weak motor core had a flat sound, the dead motor core
had a completely dead note and the great running motor rang like
a bell.

Now on the conduction thought. All magnet motors seem to use
steel like a scooter motor but it must be grain oriented? I think it
must be.

My flywheel on the lawnmower magneto uses steel to hold the magnet.
The cars that Thane is working to improve use steel rotors to house
magnets. This is all practical application observation.

Thane used a brass coupler between motor generator sections and
the machine stopped working, put the link back in so flux could
circulate again and it worked again.

I got to go watch Trump, C U later.

[wantomake]

Hey Bromikey,
Woo dude I've tried to study and understand more of Thane' s motor generator system but he doesn't give much away. From this video I was trying to see if he uses primary and charge banks of batteries separately. If yes, then is this not similar the J. Bedini SG setup?



https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=4Oq1cC1qUU8

[BroMikey]

Hey Bromikey,
Woo dude I've tried to study and understand more of Thane' s motor generator system but he doesn't give much away. From this video I was trying to see if he uses primary and charge banks of batteries separately. If yes, then is this not similar the J. Bedini SG setup?



https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=4Oq1cC1qUU8

Hello Wantomake

Good day and may God Bless you

I am sure Thane has done that also but in most video's I have watched
of Thane (All of them over and over) Thane is set up to demo to people
who might want to use his apparatus in an EV (electric Vehicle) which
requires one battery pack.

Thanes video on optimization and others show him getting an energy
return amount so large that he stops the video and adds several more
to the bank so as not to boil any.

I the practical world many car companies are already set up to carry
a limited number of lead. In the future super caps will be much lighter
and the problems we have charging and discharging lead batteries
will be a thing of the past.

Oh yes I almost forgot, the video you thought you posted takes me
to a youtube page full of video's so I am not sure what the content
might be that you were pointing out.

[wantomake]

Wrong link?

Sorry Bromikey,
My bad, wrong link I guess?

I was trying to determine if Thane was using two banks or one. From what others have stated, batteries don't like to be powering one second then charged the next. But there are many types batteries. But I agree it needs to be supercapacitors which are much more forgiving.

I did price some larger ones, way out of reach for my experiments.

wantomake