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  • #16
    Hi perm loop.

    Look at the Hi Perm form on the extreme left in the picture below: Ring magnets on the outside of each of the uprights with opposite poles attached, would completely erase the magnetic fields on the attached faces; Counter rotating plasma vortices on each side could then power a diametric cylinder rotor in between, in the same direction: Properly shaped bismuth and sheets of pyrolytic graphite can eliminate magnetic attraction to the frame. It would help to cut the flanges off the top.

    About HiPerm
    Last edited by Allen Burgess; 08-15-2017, 12:46 PM.

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    • #17
      Axial field, radial current.

      I noticed a couple of interesting things in this first video: The experimentor, "Camubish" generates high voltage with an ignition coil and a mosfet. The unique feature is that he has two magnetron ring magnets sandwiching a gasket, and the rotating spark is running along the inside of the gasket between the opposing attracted magnet fields and not eating away at the surface of the ceramic material:

      What determines the direction of vortex rotation here is the polarity of the magnet he uses to insert his anode electrode through:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siixx3aBI1c

      There's no plasma vortex rotation, by contrast, in this second video because he dosen't use the magnet as an electrode:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4nS1_XmLR8

      Two pairs of coupled ring magnets can still be attached to the legs of "U" shaped (high perm frames) like those pictured below, eliminating the opposing attached facing fields, and permitting the opposing vortex fields to counter rotate by entering the anode electrode through the opposite polarity ring field. Coupling the magnets would double the gauss and allow for an insulated neutral zone in the center for the "Arc" to burn up against. This would increase the power of the rotating magnetic field, and protect the magnet from burn. It would be possible to glue the magnets and position round glass plates over each end to allow for evacuation of the central space.
      Last edited by Allen Burgess; 08-15-2017, 12:46 PM.

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      • #18
        "Quick and Dirty" 25K High voltage.

        "Austin Jewsbury" shows three componants: Ignition coil, microwave capacitor, and a dimmer switch; Voila plug in the wall and magically 25,000 volts out!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE3XOIgZ8YY
        Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-20-2016, 04:23 PM.

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        • #19
          Relay Ignition coil HV.

          Here's an even cooler 10KV plasma arc circuit: Three things in common with the last one; A.C. outlet power, a capacitor and ignition coil. (Schematic included).

          A 120 to 12 volt transformer and relay are added:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyZ...yeJ1EyA5hlgwpg

          This should be enough to power a rotating vortex inside the two coupled ring magnets with the sandwiched gasket. The "Camubish" approach is the best one I've been able to find so far.
          Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-20-2016, 10:37 PM.

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          • #20
            Faraday's first "Hompolar Motor".

            This video replication of Michael Faraday's very first electric motor is pertainent because it demonstrates the (Homoploar Principle) of "Axial Magnetic Field" and "Radial Current" that generates the same "Lorentz Force" that powers the rotating plasma vortex:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r967ko07qg8
            Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-20-2016, 10:37 PM.

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            • #21
              Pancake coils.

              I wonder if the rotating magnetic plasma field would travel into a pancake coil? Two counter wound pancake coils would allow us to seperate the rotating magnetic vortex field completely from the magnetic drag of the "High Perm" form.

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              • #22
                Spinning anode electrode.

                How would a long copper wire anode electrode behave if it were suspended over the inside of the coupled ring magnet cathode by a string? Would the copper electrode rotate with the plasma vortex like a "Faraday Homopolar" motor?

                What would happen if we replaced the anode electrode with a copper tube; Then flanged the spark end and filed three spark points, then placed the copper tube in a ceramic collar bearing and braced the bearing in an overhead frame with a commutator contact to transfer the high voltage current? Would the copper tube spin along with the plasma vortex?

                We could attach a fan blade to the protruding end of the copper tube, if it did, and call it a day!
                Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-23-2016, 02:53 AM.

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                • #23
                  Plasma Vortex Homopolar.

                  I can build this version from down here in Costa Rica. Two non-magnetic stainless steel anode electrodes can extend radially from a stainless steel rod with an out of range diametric magnet attached to the top. Everything can fit inside a vacuum tube, with a trace of argon injected. Two electrodes can pass through the glass; One for the steel rod commutator, and the other for the coupled ring magnets cathode. The sandwiched gasket between the rings can be asbestos and last for a very long time. We can draw power off the rapidly spinning top glass tube sealed diametric magnet with magnetic coupling gears; larger wheels with six or eight NS magnets; maybe two driving an orbital gear to run machinery.

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                  • #24
                    Plasma rotor propulsion.

                    This video is self explanatory demonstrating plasma rotor propulsion:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQhZpoeo8go

                    There's a strong chance the anode electrode rotor may spin in the opposite direction of the plasma vortex, propelled backwards by the powerful spiraling plasma jets!
                    Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-23-2016, 06:22 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Franklin theory of current direction.

                      The electrons are actually traveling from the cathode to the anode in the rotating plasma vortex, not the other way around as Benjemin Franklin falsely theorized. An electron flow passes from the magnet to the anode electrode. The direction of "Homopolar Anode Rotor" rotation can be easily understood with the correct direction of electron flow in view. The "Anode Rotor" propulsion would appear to be in the opposite direction of the "Plasma Vortex", but the reverse is true.

                      This design is turning out to be very powerful. (KISS) Keep it simple stupid!

                      This video shows the "Plasma Vortex" starting to spin in the (Clockwise) direction, then the generated "Magnetic Field Vortex" appear in the reverse (Counter Clockwise) direction:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF56XXrFU5Y
                      Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-23-2016, 04:39 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Lenz effect on non-magnetic rotor.

                        "This shows an electrostatic motor I made being run in a different way than the high voltage method it was designed for. I am using the Lenz effect as the driving force rather than the Coulomb effect. A strong magnet is spun near the rotor to cause it to turn. The rotor is a clear plastic jar with a solid strip of aluminum tape inside it".


                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzXMh-DH2SU

                        Lidmotor spins the magnet rotor (Clockwise) and the non-magnetic rotor spins (Counterclockwise). The "Plasma Vortex" spins one way, the magnetic field the other. Lenz effect should drive the non-magnetic "Anode Electrode Rotor" in the opposite direction of the "Plasma Vortex".
                        Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-23-2016, 06:29 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Homopolar.

                          I couldn't find the ring magnets at the appliance parts store as I had hoped. I've done a little more thinking and imagined how similar the rotating cathode idea would be to a "Faraday Homopolar". Placing a rotating copper disc over the face of the same ring magnet and electrifying the disc with the a current would propel the disc rotation ordinarily. Attaching a copper disc to the rotating anode axle close to the ring magnet face would aid in the rotation of the axle. The current could be run through the copper disc at that point and we'd wind up with an ordinary Homopolar motor.

                          The other idea of two facing ring magnets with the poles attached to a Mu metal stator would run as a Homopolar twin with copper discs too instead of diametric magnets.

                          The rotating plasma vortex anode would have "two" propulsion forces, not one. The regular "Lorentz" force of radial current in an axial magnet field that powers all Homopolar discs, and the "Ion Wind" from the plasma arc.

                          The spinning wire rotors shown by "MrTeslonian", combine both these forces in the beginning and towards the end of his plasma propulsion video, because the inventor has two electro-magnets attached to the bearings. Those rotors are powered with static electricity from a "Wimshurst" generator. Everyone can see the impressive spinning force that's produced. That's the kind of force the ring magnet plasma vortex would produce.

                          Finally, a copper disc would help spin the rotating anode if attached to the axle and placed over the face of the plasma vortex. The disc alone would spin if current were applied to the perimeter of the disc. However, the plasma discharge from the anode spikes would apply a second very powerful propulsion force to the axle as well, along with the "Lenz Effect".

                          There are a plethora of theories as to what causes the plasma discharge to power the rotor, but the electron flow is from the magnet cathode to the anode rotor. I believe it's the force of the electron flow in that direction that powers the rotor. Take your pick!
                          Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-24-2016, 11:57 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Copper Disc Commutator.

                            The input commutator would attach to the perimeter of the copper disc. The disc would have to be further from the grounded ring magnet then the star shaped internal stainless steel anode to prevent arcing from the copper disc. Insulating the back with rubber cement would help.This would create two radial currents. The original Homopolar grounds through the axle. The disc would turn if you grounded it to the axle rather then the magnet. Grounding the magnet and using a second disc to discharge the current to it's inside perimeter creates the "plasma vortex". This adds a second powerful propulsion dynamic to the original Homopolar design. Together, these coupled forces should at least double the efficiency of the Homopolar alone! Not a small accomplishment.

                            The double disc anode rotor can adapt to the two coupled opposed pole facing magnets configuration so a single axle's turning the same way from the two counter turning plasma vortices. This would allow levitation of the rotor from a central radial disc magnet sandwiched by two "Bismuth" blocks and an overhead attracting magnet. Diametrics can sit to each side for output.

                            A variac would help tune this motor for maximum efficiency, and ultimatly the arc chamber entire assembly would need a vacuum enclosure. A casing could probably be 3-D printed. So what we end up with would be a " Twin Homopolar plasma vortex rotating anode hybrid".
                            Last edited by Allen Burgess; 04-24-2016, 05:35 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Plasma motor.

                              "This ion propulsion concept is using the thrust created by accelerated ions":


                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54KaMYFQUjM


                              Firstly; Two points on the rotating anode would be assisted by this kind of "Ion Propulsion". Secondly; The "Plasma Vortex" would generate a counter rotating magnetic field; A copper disk would be propelled in the same direction by the "Lenz Effect". Thirdly; An input commutator placed at the perimeter of the copper disc would generate Homopolar propulsion, as the radial current through the copper disk would be spiraled by the axial field of the ring magnet.

                              The back side of the copper disk and the lower portion of the anode rotor would need to be coated with an insulating heat resistant epoxy.

                              This combines three motive forces in one: The copper disc Homopolar; The counter rotating magnetic field of the "Plasma Vortex" and the ion propulsion from the tips of the arcing anode like in the video for a third!

                              The rotor can be held in place by a ceramic collar bearing like the one pictured below:
                              Last edited by Allen Burgess; 08-15-2017, 12:46 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Allen in the "Think Tank":

                                "Pura Vida" Costa Rica:
                                Last edited by Allen Burgess; 08-15-2017, 12:46 PM.

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