ReGenX Coils and ReGenXtra switching

[BroMikey]

Stop changing the subject.

Did I say I was an executioner?

The subject is about your frustrated wet dream thinking that Thane
should be stopped because he is lying to his investors, those are your
words.

Now these are mine "Unless you can answer a few simple quiz problems
on the way books say motor or generator work there is no way you are
going to jump into an advanced discussion on Thanes 3 types of
new processes or the 3 subjects addressing motor action on this thread.

You scream for answers and carry on like a lunatic but when an answer
comes in the form of a question you do not address it.

#1 Did you read the Tesla patent ?
#2 What did you get out of it?

Still waiting for an answer.

Thane's 3 rd process being developed started in 2017 and he is using
2 other forms of recovery. Yes it is going to take time.

Thane said he can get 50amps back while running down the road with
his ebike. The range is unlimited. You got a problem with that nutjob?

[Quantum_well]

Aul.

Acceleration under load. The first priority must be to prove your motor is 100% efficient, if not any acceleration is just a change in overall performance.

[Doogy2Shoes]

[SIZE="2"][FONT="Arial Narrow"][I][COLOR="Blue"]Doggy
You can't even acknowledge the basic concepts of the Tesla patent
so what business do you have setting yourself as judge jury and
executioner?

Stop changing the subject.

Did I say I was an executioner? We all want Thane Heins or anyone else to succeed at this.

I asked why Thane will not post video proof that he has extended the battery range of the EMMO bike.

You answered that he still needs to 'optimize' it:

"Thanes innovation still requires a specific set of cores and magnets with there geometry to be optimized."

It is generating extra or surplus current. In his own words , "NOT power" (not surplus power) And it is speeding up its RPM without using extra power to speed up.

So he will have extended battery range, after it is optimized.

So we have to figure out a way to translate the increased RPM and
surplus current into either extra electrical power or extra mechanical
power.

[BroMikey]

Okay let us begin again.

First we start with Turion's generator setup that cancels everything
out twice which is a bad place to start when trying to understand
normal generator action.

To understand Turion's machine we must start with what most schools
teach.The govt schools tell us that a north pole hard magnet approaching
a core and coil induces a north magnetic field into the coil and this
generate electricity the way it's done today.

So there is normal or conventional generator action #1 and there
is the lenz free generator action with all of it's effects #2 and then
there is lenz free generator action WITH counter cancelling magnets
to change everything in the way it effects the drive.

What I noticed over the past 6 years is inventors talk about all 3
at once expecting everyone to follow them. This is because inventors
and builders do not think about the 3 separate functions.

#1 conventional generator action

#2 RegenX generator action

#3 Regenx generator action compounded with cancellation magnets.

Only one man does this that I know of and his name is Thane Heins.
Even Thane does not cover cancellation tho his video work on how
schools teach conventional is helpful to the inquisitive mind.

Confusion seems to rule these threads.

[BroMikey]

Here I have stated the same thing.
Outside of this is conventional generator action that
I have been detailing.

Theoretically I could have 400 lb magnets on the
rotor using a one inch thick steel rotor coming into contact with 2" cores
and it wouldn't take anymore drive input as long as cancellation was
perfect.

All that is left is getting the steel rotor mass up to speed whatever that
a steel wheel would need without anything but the wheel itself.

Without the cancelling magnets it might take a huge diesel engine to
turn a generator rotor that big while the other way with the counter
opposing magnets could be turns by someone peddling a bike.

A person using a 10 speed gear from a bike could easily get a 1" thick
15" flywheel rotor turning and with 400lb magnets that would make
a lot of juice. As long as the generator coils were this type the current
would flow and the guy peddling would get a small relief each time
one coil was engaged.

If the coils were conventional the minute current began to flow the
person peddling would not be strong enough to continue.

[BroMikey]

... As the rotor magnet approaches the coil,
there is no attraction to the iron core that affects either the rotation
of the rotor or the rotation, speed or amp draw of the motor......
so no effect on the rotation, speed, or amp draw of the motor.

At all times the amp draw and speed of the rotor is as if the coil or
coils did not exist.

That is the simplest way to put it.

The only work required by the motor is to turn the rotor.
That is the advantage of this generator.

Agreed, very simple explanation but for some to simple. All magnets
are attracted to iron cores but as you say not enough to mention as this
does not effect the drive input amp draw.

However if you read the stuff wrote I was speaking about conventional
generator action. The part you talk about pulsing 4 series batt's
thru a motor to 4 parallel batteries is also incomplete. This the part I
have not gotten to yet and I know you are busy and wrote it before.
I just have a hard time following your explanations.

I know you are doing your best to help.

[BroMikey]

Like I said explain it in your own words based on your experimental
data. Spare us of the endless and meaningless formula copy and
paste out of a book.

I asked for an acknowledgement of certain items discussed and you
paste a formula? Thus you are unable to comprehend the materials
talked about. It's okay you will not be abandoned.

Formulas are great for engineering generators that are on the market
today. These formula's have many augmentations depending on what
size or type a conventional machine that is being produced in a factory.

These version specific formula's do not apply in blanket form to our
application. In our formula's the - minus signed are changed to
+positives.

[bistander]

How generators work

... Where is the acknowledgement about
how generators work? ...

This is how generators work.

bi



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[BroMikey]

When a North hard magnet with it's field approaches core material
it is drawn toward the iron block. As the iron block receives flux it
turns into a repelling north magnetic field so just before TDC it
pushes against the hard magnets north field making it hard now to
move foreword.

However in our generator the hard magnet only sees the attraction
of the core material, there is no opposition. Why? These Tesla coils
are wound in such a way as to delay this normal north field response
til after TDC. The energy is collected up into the coil and held there
longer (msec) so the opposition north field occurs as the hard magnet
is leaving the coil cores pole and at this point gets a big big push
in the right direction. Not the other way around.

I am gonna keep saying this and no one is going to back me down. This
is the way it is and all I am doing is holding out a stick to a blind man
the rest will be up to you to ponder thru the day til is takes root.

[BroMikey]

A north hard rotor magnetic field induces a North field in a coil as
it gets closer and close to it. It wants to stay north in the coil so
when the hard magnet tries to get any closer the north coil field
tries to stop the hard north magnet from getting further.

However you want to further teach on the subject in depth would require
the student to have an 8 year engineering degree. No one here has this.
We have people who can not read the patents who think they know
because they went to a distinguished college.

We don't want to depend on others for our experimental data. Anyone
not having any first hand testing data is in no position to correct the
students.

I guess I'll have to repeat again. Where is the acknowledgement about
how generators work? Where are the advanced thinker with data who
can confirm normal everyday generator action?

Where is the acknowledgement of the Tesla patent

"COILS FOR ELECTROMAGNETS" if you understand Tesla it is because
you are a gifted thinker, the rest will have to humbly follow blindly
for a while in order to shed the scales from their eyes acquired thru
blindly following false teachings. AKA public schools.

Govt controlled thinking is what we have today, not investigators.
Science is investigation. Most folks here have never done any.

[bistander]

Just a simple question

I didn't say I agree, or disagree. I did not say anybody is right, or wrong. I simply asked Turion if he agrees with your description of how your (and his) generators operate.

bi

[BroMikey]

Does this describe what happens in your generator?

This is the magnetic cogging you talk about. It is an opposition
force in generators. Care to explain it better? Or are you going to say
the fields all help each other and that generators have no opposing
fields in them.

Is that right BI? Generator fields today all work in perfect harmony?

Most generators don't have hard magnets but they still all do the same
thing. Take a stepper motor. When you try to generate with one the
rotor is opposed on the approach and on it's departure of TDC.

So give us all the reasons why I am wrong. You have no clue.

[bistander]

How about this part?

Yes and No.
His is a generalized description of what WE are doing, not commercial generators

Does this describe what happens in your generator?

...

At TDC the hard magnet is still and will always be a north but the
north field that the coil collected up from the hard magnet flips to a
south field after TDC as it moves away keeping the hard magnet back
keeping the hard magnet from moving on around the circle.
...

[bistander]

Question for Turion

...

When a rotor magnet gets close to a generator coil on the market today
the coil sees the magnet getting closer and closer then the magnetism
or flux begins to build up in the coil making it's field the same as the
hard magnets polarity. Okay got that? Let's say the the rotor magnet
that is on it's way to the coil and core is a NORTH. Okay? It is a north
hard magnet and the coil makes itself a NORTH field. NOW, I ask you
what happens when to magnets that are north poles are forced close
together?

Yes two magnets of the same polarity will resist each other or fight against
coming close together. This is how a conventional generator coil works
because this is what factories build. So now the two north poles were
forced tight together and they are right on top of each other. This is called
TDC.

At TDC the hard magnet is still and will always be a north but the
north field that the coil collected up from the hard magnet flips to a
south field after TDC as it moves away keeping the hard magnet back
keeping the hard magnet from moving on around the circle.
...

Hey Turion,

Do you agree with BM's explanation?

bi

[BroMikey]

I learned something from Thane just like I learned stuff from my
experiments. Thane's first test was using 30awg wire got 100ma and I
got that also using good cores and 50lb magnets.

His coils looked like about 10,000 ft of wire. He tried many flux path
re-routing experiments that only a trained eye in some cases would
see.

Next i learned from Dave that 23awg gave 500ma but 3 separate
conductor giving 500ma each at far less feet per circuit. This is 1500ma
per coil with voltages down in a usable range at 100-200vac.

Now looking at the wire ratings in the transmission column it shows
a max of 700ma for 23awg. Next the 25awg was max 500ma, this is
for a big coil not short runs that these ratings are good for.

Now using tiny magnets of 9lb each not 50lbs like my larger rotor I
would like to see what I can produce in the way of current per the
3 channels on the 3000foot coils suggested by Dave and then work
up by putting bigger magnets on till I reach about 300ma per circuit
or 3 X 300ma.

When i do this (Not if) I will have the measurements from both a weak
magnet rotor and the stronger ones. Of course finding out how much
extra it takes to drive the rotor. Well that WAS my plan but knowing
that the counter magnets will cancel out the hard start cogging of cores
it should not matter how big the rotor magnets are or how big the
cores are. I am sure there will be a small amount of difference.

What does that say? Theoretically I could have 400 lb magnets on the
rotor using a one inch thick steel rotor coming into contact with 2" cores
and it wouldn't take anymore drive input as long as cancellation was
perfect.

All that is left is getting the steel rotor mass up to speed whatever that
a steel wheel would need without anything but the wheel itself.

Without the cancelling magnets it might take a huge diesel engine to
turn a generator rotor that big while the other way with the counter
opposing magnets could be turns by someone peddling a bike.

A person using a 10 speed gear from a bike could easily get a 1" thick
15" flywheel rotor turning and with 400lb magnets that would make
a lot of juice. As long as the generator coils were this type the current
would flow and the guy peddling would get a small relief each time
one coil was engaged.

If the coils were conventional the minute current began to flow the
person peddling would not be strong enough to continue.

So you can see that the system works the best the way Dave has
explained.