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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Deco56 View Post

    I am just trying to learn . Seems like a legit set up and details are shown. But you still haven't offered a rebuttal to the video...you just give ad hominem attacks....
    Dude glad you liked the video and are very interested. Where is your rotor with magnets? Start by trying your own setup, then you will laugh at yourself for this question. Once again let me start from the beginning, Take a coil of wire next to a passing magnet like your lawnmower does to create a spark for the sprarkplug.

    That is drag down generating. The video has both DRAG DOWN generating and speed up generating. Neither in the video puts out more than it takes to run so give up now if you thought you were home free.

    Infact anyone not building just give up on understanding what is going on here. Bowling, Golf or roller skating cost money and is a better place to send it if you are after a quick easy save the world win adventure.

    Just horsing around. If you understood the video you would know that the delay had to be present to get speed up, of which he says his scope did not show any. Fake NewsBut again since you are not building you don't know any of the criteria. It is like asking me to talk Latin to a Chinese.

    Here is what I have learned. Run a motor takes 2 units, run a motor with the rotor and magnets takes 4 units, run a motor to rotor with coil not loaded takes 6 units of power. Now start testing how much the coil can give back. This is standard generating for the last 140 years. After that you will be ready for non standard testing. Otherwise go big or go home.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 05-29-2020, 12:47 AM.

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  • Deco56
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    Yup same ole video everyone posts and goes away thinking they were right all along. No one builds a $2000 rotor that size for fun. He was sent to discredit by the big names.
    I am just trying to learn . Seems like a legit set up and details are shown. But you still haven't offered a rebuttal to the video...you just give ad hominem attacks....

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  • BroMikey
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    Very few serious experimenters who really understand the value of energy in all of their delivery forms. Energy for gasoline, energy for gas heat, energy for the electric bill to cool the house, dry the cloths, pump water in the fields of the farm, power to weld metal. Everything takes energy and most of what we make goes up in spent energy so the green horn who hasn't quite figure this all out looks at the investigation like a toy play thing. Still wet behind the ears, not serious. Live a while and watch what I mean now happening to you when energy SHOULD be far less. Instead it will double and triple over time.

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  • Turion
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    Sky,
    That's basically what I do with my generator. Only my coils (on the left) have iron or ferrite cores. And instead of a coil on the right, I have an adjustable magnet.

    One thing I did want to mention here that I forgot to bring up earlier. I was VERY HAPPY with the video posted by bi and then again by Deco56 because it showed that FERRITE CORES will speed up under load. So now I don't have to spend my time doing the experiment to figure out if they will work or not. MUCH appreciated.


    Oh, and in the words of celebrated science fiction writer Robert Heinlein:
    "Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do."
    Last edited by Turion; 05-28-2020, 07:14 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
    Hi all, Hi bromikey, here is the idea that came to mind the other day.

    Think it fits this thread a little, since it is using a similar magnetic field nullifying concept or magnetic balancing act, to gain greater efficiency, maybe.

    peace love light
    Nice picture and speculation, let us know if it works or no. I have air core coils and compared to coils with core put out a fraction. Next to nothing. But verify the principle then report.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi all, Hi bromikey, here is the idea that came to mind the other day.

    Think it fits this thread a little, since it is using a similar magnetic field nullifying concept or magnetic balancing act, to gain greater efficiency, maybe.

    peace love light
    Attached Files
    Last edited by SkyWatcher; 05-28-2020, 05:35 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Speed up is only bad for ME in MY particular application. Doesn't mean it is bad for what Thane is doing. The proof, is ALWAYS on the bench. You never know until you build it, and I would bet there are a variety of designs that could take advantage of it in a way I never dreamed of. THINKING you ABSOLUTELY know how something is going to work when it isn't running yet is a big mistake unless it is a perfect replication of something that has been previously built and tested. You never know what the result of a small change is going to be. You can make some objective suppositions based on prior experience and material analysis, but then some unexpected reaction happens and everything you though goes out the window.
    Yes and the point is made that these people have no desire to put their blood sweat and tears into this. They can't even get the basics. In electronics a mathematical balance must be reached or with any experiment. Trying to explain all this to folks who are stuck in 6th grade science is impossible. The work you are talking about in finding that delicate balance of any design will always be over their heads.

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  • Turion
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    Speed up is only bad for ME in MY particular application. Doesn't mean it is bad for what Thane is doing. The proof, is ALWAYS on the bench. You never know until you build it, and I would bet there are a variety of designs that could take advantage of it in a way I never dreamed of. THINKING you ABSOLUTELY know how something is going to work when it isn't running yet is a big mistake unless it is a perfect replication of something that has been previously built and tested. You never know what the result of a small change is going to be. You can make some objective suppositions based on prior experience and material analysis, but then some unexpected reaction happens and everything you thought goes out the window.
    Last edited by Turion; 05-27-2020, 11:47 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    If you don't mind Bro,
    ...........the only difference was the voltage on my battery had gone down a bit and the rpm of my motor was just 10 rpms different and I didn't realize how significant that was. In truth, ONE rpm is enough to cause failure if you are right on the line.
    Good examples Dave, good delivery. Now having read your post I will add to it. Thane is setting up EV designs and you are setting up stationary generator builds. Only difference is you have no need for discussion on CRITICAL MINIMUM FREQUENCY because unlike an EV that needs a wide band of frequency of operation you are targeting a very narrow band. It is called the NULL POINT when you reach the no response. Power factor is over heads, 45-90 degrees delay is over heads and worthless to even talk about with these people when they can't even get the basic design.

    In electric vehicles one of the big problem to save energy was by using a gas engine to hold rpm perfect. From there clutching/transmission took over from there. The Thane style gen head uses both the null and beyond (small amounts) to overcome the ever changing rpm for in town driving. When I bring up CRITICAL MINIMUM FREQUENCY it seems way to much for many to grasp alongside all of what is being talked about (to much)

    Whether you are gaining kinetic energy or just raw watt harvesting does not make one BETTER than the other as you seem to suggest for years. It is a matter of what the need is. Watching a slight speed up under load is important to the observer who does not yet comprehend your specific contraption. Presenting speed up as a bad omen is funny. I refuse to address the idiot in the debunk video he is nothing more than a prop
    Last edited by BroMikey; 05-28-2020, 03:24 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Deco56 View Post
    Found this video claiming to refute ReGenX. Can we get a response from Thane?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ
    Yup same ole video everyone posts and goes away thinking they were right all along. No one builds a $2000 rotor that size for fun. He was sent to discredit by the big names.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 05-27-2020, 10:26 PM.

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  • Turion
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    As USUAL bi, you choose to see the part of my post you WANT to see and ignore the rest. The video shows that the input and output to a "speed up under load coil is the same as with a single filler coil when the system has not been tuned for the "speed up under load coil." I already KNEW this. Figured THAT out YEARS ago. MY systems ARE tuned. You either adjust the number of magnets on the rotor, change the length of the wire on the coil, or adjust the rpm of the rotor by slowing down the motor. All three will work.


    What the video does NOT show is that the "speed up under load coil's MAXIMUM OUTPUT is when it is neither speeding up nor slowing down, which is what I have said all along. I addressed YOU in my post because you posted that video first, and it appears you are dragging people down the road to stupid land with you. You guys are like crappy magicians. You try to misdirect as best you can, but everybody knows what you have up your sleeve.

    You have said in the past that not even I have replicated my device. You forget I have built 16 different versions of the generator, each one a mechanical improvement over the prior one. So I HAVE replicated the machine and seen it working. Greyland has seen it working. Lots of folks have seen it working. Just not YOU. And you have no idea how happy that makes me. LOL

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
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    bi, ... Speed up under load is a cute trick, but it doesn't get us what we want.
    ...
    Hi Turion,

    That sentence which I quoted above is the same as I've been telling you. As to the rest of your post, it really doesn't matter if no one, including you, can ever replicate and reproduce your device and claim with documentation and proof. Otherwise it remains the same baseless claim as it always has been.

    And the video was posted by Deco56 this time, not me, although I have posted it lately. I happen to think that it debunks Thane very well. You'll debunk yourself when you can never actually produce proof of your claim.

    Regards,
    bi
    Last edited by bistander; 05-27-2020, 09:11 PM. Reason: Fixed double negative

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  • Turion
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    If you don't mind Bro, I will be happy to respond to bi and his "amazing" video. I do not necessarily have the same purpose for the coils in MY generator as Thane does for the ones in HIS, but I know how the coils benefit ME.

    bi,
    You are forced to rely on the experiments done by others because you do so FEW actual experiments yourself. If you ever actually DID any experiments, you would be BEYOND what is shown in this one, which is elementary. Do you think I haven't done EXACTLY this experiment? Not once, but HUNDREDS of times with different coils? Do you really think he is showing anything I haven't seen before? Believe me, he isn't. You think what he shows proves we don't know what we are talking about. All it proves is that YOU don't understand. You're stuck in a box.

    I have said MANY, MANY, MANY times that when you are seeing "speed up under load" you are NOT seeing the MAXIMUM OUTPUT of your generator coil. Go back and actually READ what I have posted and you will see that is EXACTLY what I have said. MULTIPLE TIMES ON DIFFERENT THREADS. Speed up under load is a cute trick, but it doesn't get us what we want.

    So if we take the EXACT same circumstances we see in the video, the author is showing apples to apples where the "speed up under load" coil and the single filler coil both PUT OUT the exact same amount of power and basically the input power to the two coils is the SAME. But if we want the speed up under load coil to exhibit its MAXIMUM OUTPUT, what do we have to do? We have to DECREASE the rpm's of the motor to the point where the coil is neither speeding up nor slowing down. This means LOWERING the voltage supplied to the motor. If you lower the voltage, what does THAT do to the input? THAT is the ENTIRE BENEFIT of the "speed up under load coil" I am using in my generator. I do not WANT speed up under load. I want maximum output for MINIMUM input. Nothing he shows disproves what I have said about the coils and the way they work in my generator. Your belief that he is "debunking" these coils just shows how little you really understand of what we have been saying, because he does a DAMN good job (almost) of comparing apples to apples and you bought the whole thing.

    Now Thane may dispute what the video shows. I don't. I never have. I understand EXACTLY what these coils do because I have done HUNDREDS of experiments. I don't rely on ANYONE to do the experiments for me. Neither should YOU.

    What this video DOES show is why the RPM of the motor is as absolutely CRITICAL to the success of the experiment as are the coils themselves. A few feet off in the amount of wire you MUST HAVE in either direction, and your coil isn't outputting at maximum power. It took me a lot of beating my head against a wall and not understanding why a perfectly good coil I had just wound was NOT giving me the same results as the LAST one I wound the exact same way, when the only difference was the voltage on my battery had gone down a bit and the rpm of my motor was just 10 rpms different and I didn't realize how significant that was. In truth, ONE rpm is enough to cause failure if you are right on the line. I learned a lot of stuff the really HARD way that I have given away here for FREE, and still people don't listen.

    If the guy who did the video would adjust the motor speed until the rpm of the motor does not go up when the "speed up under load" coil is shorted and then compare the single filler coil to the "speed up under load coil" at that same speed, you would see a TRUE comparison of inputs vs outputs.
    Last edited by Turion; 05-27-2020, 08:00 PM.

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  • Deco56
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    Found this video claiming to refute ReGenX. Can we get a response from Thane?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    I posted proofs of what I claimed. ........ but actually you're just an annoyance.

    bi
    Answer my questions BYE. Did you or did you not say that Dave is a liar concerning opposition magnet input power based on proof? Answer. BYE!! Just answer. You mean thing you. It is human to apologize, question is are you able. Where is your proof Dave lied?? Answer BYE. I have proof now (data) showing Dave to be an honest investigator.

    Answer or just change the subject? Address the subject matter, recognize the questions coming from your fellow mates. Have a heart? Is that possible, plz explain your position, if not.

    Why are you lying about others lying??? Isn't THAT a lie? Or did you tell us the truth? Plz explain. Can you answer? Hey Google dot to dot to dot answers better. Hey Google?? Hey BYE??

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