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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by Turion

    With my setup, how much power is needed to power the motor? 24 volts at 12 amps with my big machine, and less with the smaller machine. How much power does it produce? 1.5 amps per coil at 130 volts x the number of coils on the machine. There are ways to increase the output, but some of them require increased input.

    I have NO IDEA which method produces more power. My machine takes advantage of simple mechanical principles. His takes advantage of electronic switching.
    nice work.
    What is the next step you have planned?
    Is there any way you foresee being able to use or store the extra or surplus power generated?

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    btw, no one reading this thread or posting here is 'carrying on like a lunatic'. with the exception of you

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post


    Thane said he can get 50amps back while running down the road with
    his ebike. The range is unlimited. You got a problem with that nutjob?
    Wake up call, Mikey.
    If you think you are helping things with your childishness, think again.
    You are making things worse.

    Thane has never claimed to have had his modified scooter or his modified ebike out on the road.

    More wishful thinking on your part?

    He has never driven the modified Hero scooter or the modified EMMO ebike.

    I think we can all figure out that if he'd been motoring down the road on the modified Ebike with infinite range and no recharge required, it might have occurred to him to put it on video.

    He would have figured out that videoing the event, and Youtubing it as proof, would have helped him to attract a lot of support.

    But instead of doing that, Thane told you himself , on Youtube, that there is no increase in power.

    You just admitted here yesterday that the design needs to be optimized to actually work.

    Yet here you are, right back again today, claiming that Thane was motoring around on he ebike with infinite range?

    And when someone tries to get through to you with simple logic, you change the subject and pretend you are above it all.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion
    ........hopefully on the 3 battery system.

    The magnet is attracted to the core on the way in, and then the coil is fired as a motor coil. There is NO magnetic "lock" because you are firing the coil as a repulsing electromagnet at the moment when the magnetic lock takes place. The rotor magnet "motors" away from the coil.

    During this phase it is "motoring"

    My machine takes advantage of simple mechanical principles.
    His takes advantage of electronic switching.
    According to Thane it can motor and generator at the same time
    using the circuit shown, and it is simple but hate depending on digital
    circuitry when a more direct approach is available.

    I like hearing about firing motor coils now. I have not given it much
    thought as it applies to my rigs, for now a scooter motor in fine.
    Someday I would like to try using 2 coils to motor with and disconnect
    the scooter motor while the other 10 generator coils do their thing.

    Wouldn't that be something.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Quantum_well View Post
    Acceleration under load. The first priority must be to prove your motor is 100% efficient, if not any acceleration is just a change in overall performance.
    What are you talking about, plz clarify. Do you have one? COP > 20
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-19-2019, 09:35 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Doogy2Shoes View Post
    Stop changing the subject.

    Did I say I was an executioner?
    The subject is about your frustrated wet dream thinking that Thane
    should be stopped because he is lying to his investors, those are your
    words.

    Now these are mine "Unless you can answer a few simple quiz problems
    on the way books say motor or generator work there is no way you are
    going to jump into an advanced discussion on Thanes 3 types of
    new processes or the 3 subjects addressing motor action on this thread.

    You scream for answers and carry on like a lunatic but when an answer
    comes in the form of a question you do not address it.

    #1 Did you read the Tesla patent ?
    #2 What did you get out of it?

    Still waiting for an answer.

    Thane's 3 rd process being developed started in 2017 and he is using
    2 other forms of recovery. Yes it is going to take time.

    Thane said he can get 50amps back while running down the road with
    his ebike. The range is unlimited. You got a problem with that nutjob?
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-19-2019, 09:27 AM.

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  • Quantum_well
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    Aul.

    Acceleration under load. The first priority must be to prove your motor is 100% efficient, if not any acceleration is just a change in overall performance.

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    [SIZE="2"][FONT="Arial Narrow"][I][COLOR="Blue"]Doggy
    You can't even acknowledge the basic concepts of the Tesla patent
    so what business do you have setting yourself as judge jury and
    executioner?
    Stop changing the subject.

    Did I say I was an executioner? We all want Thane Heins or anyone else to succeed at this.

    I asked why Thane will not post video proof that he has extended the battery range of the EMMO bike.

    You answered that he still needs to 'optimize' it:

    "Thanes innovation still requires a specific set of cores and magnets with there geometry to be optimized."
    It is generating extra or surplus current. In his own words , "NOT power" (not surplus power) And it is speeding up its RPM without using extra power to speed up.

    So he will have extended battery range, after it is optimized.

    So we have to figure out a way to translate the increased RPM and
    surplus current into either extra electrical power or extra mechanical
    power.

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  • BroMikey
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    Okay let us begin again.

    First we start with Turion's generator setup that cancels everything
    out twice which is a bad place to start when trying to understand
    normal generator action.

    To understand Turion's machine we must start with what most schools
    teach.The govt schools tell us that a north pole hard magnet approaching
    a core and coil induces a north magnetic field into the coil and this
    generate electricity the way it's done today.

    So there is normal or conventional generator action #1 and there
    is the lenz free generator action with all of it's effects #2 and then
    there is lenz free generator action WITH counter cancelling magnets
    to change everything in the way it effects the drive.

    What I noticed over the past 6 years is inventors talk about all 3
    at once expecting everyone to follow them. This is because inventors
    and builders do not think about the 3 separate functions.

    #1 conventional generator action

    #2 RegenX generator action

    #3 Regenx generator action compounded with cancellation magnets.

    Only one man does this that I know of and his name is Thane Heins.
    Even Thane does not cover cancellation tho his video work on how
    schools teach conventional is helpful to the inquisitive mind.

    Confusion seems to rule these threads.

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  • BroMikey
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    Here I have stated the same thing.
    Outside of this is conventional generator action that
    I have been detailing.


    Theoretically I could have 400 lb magnets on the
    rotor using a one inch thick steel rotor coming into contact with 2" cores
    and it wouldn't take anymore drive input as long as cancellation was
    perfect.

    All that is left is getting the steel rotor mass up to speed whatever that
    a steel wheel would need without anything but the wheel itself.

    Without the cancelling magnets it might take a huge diesel engine to
    turn a generator rotor that big while the other way with the counter
    opposing magnets could be turns by someone peddling a bike.

    A person using a 10 speed gear from a bike could easily get a 1" thick
    15" flywheel rotor turning and with 400lb magnets that would make
    a lot of juice. As long as the generator coils were this type the current
    would flow and the guy peddling would get a small relief each time
    one coil was engaged.

    If the coils were conventional the minute current began to flow the
    person peddling would not be strong enough to continue.





    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-19-2019, 01:43 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion
    ... As the rotor magnet approaches the coil,
    there is no attraction to the iron core that affects either the rotation
    of the rotor or the rotation, speed or amp draw of the motor......
    so no effect on the rotation, speed, or amp draw of the motor.

    At all times the amp draw and speed of the rotor is as if the coil or
    coils did not exist
    .

    That is the simplest way to put it.

    The only work required by the motor is to turn the rotor.
    That is the advantage of this generator.
    Agreed, very simple explanation but for some to simple. All magnets
    are attracted to iron cores but as you say not enough to mention as this
    does not effect the drive input amp draw.

    However if you read the stuff wrote I was speaking about conventional
    generator action. The part you talk about pulsing 4 series batt's
    thru a motor to 4 parallel batteries is also incomplete. This the part I
    have not gotten to yet and I know you are busy and wrote it before.
    I just have a hard time following your explanations.

    I know you are doing your best to help.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-19-2019, 01:59 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Like I said explain it in your own words based on your experimental
    data. Spare us of the endless and meaningless formula copy and
    paste out of a book.

    I asked for an acknowledgement of certain items discussed and you
    paste a formula? Thus you are unable to comprehend the materials
    talked about. It's okay you will not be abandoned.

    Formulas are great for engineering generators that are on the market
    today. These formula's have many augmentations depending on what
    size or type a conventional machine that is being produced in a factory.

    These version specific formula's do not apply in blanket form to our
    application. In our formula's the - minus signed are changed to
    +positives.

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  • bistander
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    How generators work

    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    ... Where is the acknowledgement about
    how generators work? ...
    This is how generators work.

    bi



    From: https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/sa...s-applications
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  • BroMikey
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    When a North hard magnet with it's field approaches core material
    it is drawn toward the iron block. As the iron block receives flux it
    turns into a repelling north magnetic field so just before TDC it
    pushes against the hard magnets north field making it hard now to
    move foreword.

    However in our generator the hard magnet only sees the attraction
    of the core material, there is no opposition. Why? These Tesla coils
    are wound in such a way as to delay this normal north field response
    til after TDC. The energy is collected up into the coil and held there
    longer (msec) so the opposition north field occurs as the hard magnet
    is leaving the coil cores pole and at this point gets a big big push
    in the right direction. Not the other way around.

    I am gonna keep saying this and no one is going to back me down. This
    is the way it is and all I am doing is holding out a stick to a blind man
    the rest will be up to you to ponder thru the day til is takes root.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-18-2019, 10:48 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    A north hard rotor magnetic field induces a North field in a coil as
    it gets closer and close to it. It wants to stay north in the coil so
    when the hard magnet tries to get any closer the north coil field
    tries to stop the hard north magnet from getting further.

    However you want to further teach on the subject in depth would require
    the student to have an 8 year engineering degree. No one here has this.
    We have people who can not read the patents who think they know
    because they went to a distinguished college.

    We don't want to depend on others for our experimental data. Anyone
    not having any first hand testing data is in no position to correct the
    students.

    I guess I'll have to repeat again. Where is the acknowledgement about
    how generators work? Where are the advanced thinker with data who
    can confirm normal everyday generator action?

    Where is the acknowledgement of the Tesla patent

    "COILS FOR ELECTROMAGNETS" if you understand Tesla it is because
    you are a gifted thinker, the rest will have to humbly follow blindly
    for a while in order to shed the scales from their eyes acquired thru
    blindly following false teachings. AKA public schools.

    Govt controlled thinking is what we have today, not investigators.
    Science is investigation. Most folks here have never done any.






    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-18-2019, 10:52 PM.

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