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  • Turion
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    Here is a picture of the test setup Greyland is putting together. So far he has gotten the opposition magnets all adjusted so that the rotor will spin with one finger even with 12 magnets on the rotor and all 12 coils in place. Right now he is testing each coil to see at what speed each one will speed up or slow down the drive motor when placed under load. Once that is all finished he will be adjusting to coils so that there is a constant RPM at which the coils, placed under load, will neither speed up nor slow down the drive motor. Once this has been accomplished, he will measure the input to the drive motor (between 350-400 watts) and the output to the six 200 watt light bulbs as loads. (We'll see, won't we?) Two coils power each bulb. The volt and amp meters will show the output from each coil pair to one bulb, and the kilowatt meter between the power supply and the wall will show the input to the drive motor.

    I have a similar setup for my machine, but I haven't assembled it yet. Still waiting for parts for the generator.

    My contractor MAY finish up all his work on my remodel this Sunday. If not, he has one more day of work next Sunday. Once that is done, I have all the baseboards to cut, paint, and put in place in the areas he tiled, and three counters to put in. That's it. I'm probably forgetting SOMETHING, but it FEELS like I'm almost done. So I am a couple weeks from finishing my remodel. It has taken two years, which is what happens when your contractor works one day a week and doesn't show up about 20% of the time. Once the house is done, I will be able to focus on my energy projects for the first time in a couple years. It will be nice.

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    Last edited by Turion; 01-30-2021, 05:56 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by dragon View Post

    thus the confusion.... Your motor/gen unit showed 11% efficiency..
    The amounts are irrelevant when testing. You are not able yet to understand standard testing done in any lab. But you want and demand that I do exactly what you want done. This is an improper way to communicate.

    Still you have heard nothing I have written. The rotating mass= zero. You have not and refuse to acknowledge basic instruction which puts you in the category of defiant. Bye and yourself refuse (deliberately) to address the information you have been given.

    If the rotor takes 100w to turn it and the coils can deliver 1000w each the additional input will be 1200watts and the input value become nearly negligible. If 12 coils are installed of 1000watt outputs = 12,000watts the input goes up 14,000wats

    Since you do not understand this portion of standard EE calcs you will not be able to get the rest. However when these coils are engaged the 12,000watts of lighting is produced with no additional input power or 12,000/100w = 120 COP

    I am not saying this unit exists, what I am saying is that this is the way calculations are made for these 6th grade math problems. Dragon you really need to get a hold of that attitude.

    Once again I have repeated all of the same things that were posted before. Your demands are not my responsibility. My suggestion is that you read what I have written which clearly seems that you are not reading any of it. You seem to do what others do, ignore the posted material and then proceed to post disruptive or make worthless comments that do not pertain to the subject matter.

    But you are not alone. Nearly everyone here does that. Most here are not schooled in any of the arts.

    Originally posted by dragon View Post
    Looks like around 11% efficient to me... 9 watts in and 1 watt out ? how are you calculating your 100% efficiency? 90% efficiency would be 9 watts in 8.1 watts out... 100% would be 9 watts in 9 watts out...
    You do not have the right figures there.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 01-30-2021, 03:17 AM.

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  • dragon
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    The way efficiency is calculated in the EE handbook is to begin your rotating mass and when the rotor is spinning this is called "0" and a starting point of reference. Next a coil that is already mounted is connected to a load. When the coil begins producing and the load consumes energy the light is running. At this point we will say the light takes 10 watts. Then go back and measure the increase on the input. For normal or conventionally wound generator coils you can expect an increase of 12 watts.

    Remember we are not trying to save the entire planet using a single coil on a a generator head that may hold 12-24 coils as a completed package. Try to think with me about how this must be calculated. A poorly designed system takes into account many things such as the core. Is it wasting power by getting hot? This is another subject and may be the difference of a unit running indefinite or only 10 minutes before melting $1000 worth of copper, like Dave's favorite pass time. We can poke at Dave but he did get it to work first (so he says)

    Okay now think about the coil. 12w in and 10w out = 12/10=.83 or 83% this is how all generator coils come out for around 200 years.

    Okay now, disconnect the wire and the light goes out. Next the second test coil is used to power the same load. Only this time the light takes 10watts and the input drops 10watts.

    What is the efficiency? Hummmm???????? What is it? Next you place 12 total coils around and you get 120watts of power the input dropped right out.

    If 12 conventional coils are used the increase is 144watt for 120watts of light. This is the industry standard.

    No so with the right coils. The new coils present no additional load on the input side for as many output coils as you can hang.

    We need to take it easy on Dave, he is old and falling apart.
    Unfortunately you didn't show that - thus the confusion.... Your motor/gen unit showed 11% efficiency. I should use your calculations over looking the initial input with some of my own works to make my unity projects look better... You see, I generally use total inputs and outputs which makes more sense to me when trying to prove an outcome... Show me a 10 watt load with zero input as your explaining... Or... as a starting point show me a 10 watt load driven by a 10 watt input with your motor generator... then work your way down from there....
    Last edited by dragon; 01-30-2021, 02:43 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by dragon View Post
    Looks like around 11% efficient to me... 9 watts in and 1 watt out ? how are you calculating your 100% efficiency? 90% efficiency would be 9 watts in 8.1 watts out... 100% would be 9 watts in 9 watts out...
    The way efficiency is calculated in the EE handbook is to begin your rotating mass and when the rotor is spinning this is called "0" and a starting point of reference. Next a coil that is already mounted is connected to a load. When the coil begins producing and the load consumes energy the light is running. At this point we will say the light takes 10 watts. Then go back and measure the increase on the input. For normal or conventionally wound generator coils you can expect an increase of 12 watts.

    Remember we are not trying to save the entire planet using a single coil on a a generator head that may hold 12-24 coils as a completed package. Try to think with me about how this must be calculated. A poorly designed system takes into account many things such as the core. Is it wasting power by getting hot? This is another subject and may be the difference of a unit running indefinite or only 10 minutes before melting $1000 worth of copper, like Dave's favorite pass time. We can poke at Dave but he did get it to work first (so he says)

    Okay now think about the coil. 12w in and 10w out = 12/10=.83 or 83% this is how all generator coils come out for around 200 years.

    Okay now, disconnect the wire and the light goes out. Next the second test coil is used to power the same load. Only this time the light takes 10watts and the input drops 10watts.

    What is the efficiency? Hummmm???????? What is it? Next you place 12 total coils around and you get 120watts of power the input dropped right out.

    If 12 conventional coils are used the increase is 144watt for 120watts of light. This is the industry standard.

    No so with the right coils. The new coils present no additional load on the input side for as many output coils as you can hang.

    We need to take it easy on Dave, he is old and falling apart.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 01-30-2021, 01:59 AM.

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  • dragon
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    Looks like around 11% efficient to me... 9 watts in and 1 watt out ? how are you calculating your 100% efficiency? 90% efficiency would be 9 watts in 8.1 watts out... 100% would be 9 watts in 9 watts out...

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  • BroMikey
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    Mikey is the only one here who shows his infinity generator. No 3 sec burn out clown show. Continuation of operation. Not a cheating clown show.

    This generation process lasts as long as we need to show infinite. Except 4 Thane all the rest is a joke on an insult to intellectual thought. Zhit or get off-wanta-bee's


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  • Turion
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    You keep showing Thane’s work over and over. What about what YOU have built and tested that supports what he says. Why not show THAT device and THAT data and videos of THAT machine running?


    "SCIENCE IS THE BELIEF IN THE IGNORANCE OF EXPERTS"
    Richard Feynman
    Last edited by Turion; 01-29-2021, 06:45 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Study this, this gives you all the technical answer. 4-10 years ago.

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  • BroMikey
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    Engineers only, way over the heads even in advanced studies. You have to be crazy to get this

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  • BroMikey
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    Update data battery voltage maintains for Jan 16th 2021

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  • alexelectric
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    Yes, thanks Mikey

    Little by little I am adding more tools for testing

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by alexelectric View Post

    Greetings Mr. Dave the source you purchased from 48 volts, 20 amps, can be adjusted so that it is 36 volts,
    or is fixed at 48 volts,
    If it can be operated or adjusted also to 36 volts it would help me to operate both voltages.
    If you can't, I have no choice but to acquire the 36-volt one, that's the one I use.
    Although the 48 volt source helps us to have more voltage range
    Greetings and see you later, we continue with the generator project, thank you for your contributions

    updating
    I'm going to buy this one, from 48 volts to 20 amps, it allows me to adjust it 0-48v

    https://www.banggood.com/HJS-1000W-S...=CN&ID=6285792
    That is a nice supply Alex

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Alex,
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    This is the power supply and motor controller I bought to control my DC motors. I'm not saying it's the best for the $$$, but it is what I have been using. It is what I recommended to Greyland he get to run his version of the generator, so it is what he will have as well. I wanted sufficient voltage and amps to handle different motors under load as I work to "neutralize" the effect of the generator on the motor.


    Greetings Mr. Dave the source you purchased from 48 volts, 20 amps, can be adjusted so that it is 36 volts,
    or is fixed at 48 volts,
    If it can be operated or adjusted also to 36 volts it would help me to operate both voltages.
    If you can't, I have no choice but to acquire the 36-volt one, that's the one I use.
    Although the 48 volt source helps us to have more voltage range
    Greetings and see you later, we continue with the generator project, thank you for your contributions

    updating
    I'm going to buy this one, from 48 volts to 20 amps, it allows me to adjust it 0-48v

    https://www.banggood.com/HJS-1000W-S...=CN&ID=6285792
    Last edited by alexelectric; 01-14-2021, 09:11 PM.

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  • alexelectric
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    sinergicus

    Your proposal of orientation of the magnets in relation to the cores of the coil is valuable, as in the muller motor, tests can be carried out with this proposal.

    Mr. Dave has bet on the proposal to test it with magnets in repulsion, he has carried out multiple tests and obtained good results, in fact, I have commented with the tests that I have carried out that the repulsion of magnets helps him with an extra boost to rotation of the generator, all this helps the generator drive motor to consume less current, the coil of Mr. Dave's proposal, avoids the previous repulsion of the lenz, and avoids the subsequent attraction of the coil and the inductor magnet, takes advantage of A configuration that studied the Tesla patent, where he tested various configurations of multi-wire coils, connected in parallel series, he performed many tests with several of them, where he acquired a lot of experience on multi-wire coils.

    And to avoid the attraction of the coil core and the inductor magnet, use the repulsive magnets, I have been evaluating the same other options such as, for example, the one you already commented on your sinergicus (muller motor),
    But there is also that of Robert Adams, (generator motor) where his motor-generator had coils that were activated only to avoid the attraction of the magnet- coil core, the coil that acted as a driver, only applied a small current that only It served to sustain the rotation of the generator, it can be tried with various configurations, the one that has given Mr. Dave good results is that of the repellent magnets.

    In this forum and through videos on youtube, Mr. Dave has informed him of his progress and how to build his generator proposal. And he keeps looking to improve it, and he keeps sharing his progress with us, thank you.
    Last edited by alexelectric; 01-09-2021, 12:47 AM.

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  • Turion
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    sinergicus,

    That design eliminates clogging. It does NOT eliminate the attraction of the magnets to the coil cores. THAT is a separate issue. Nobody wants to believe that for some reason, but it is true. Build it and you will see. Any machine with more than about four coils that have the same diameter cores (or larger) as the magnets used to create the magnetic flux will see the incredible NEGATIVE effect the coils have on the motor.

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