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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Looks like tomorrow-Sunday I can do some testing while I wait for the new gears. My igniter I use to burn the coating off the wires ran out of juice. Need to get another one or two. There’s always SOMETHING that requires a trip to town. Maybe my wife will loan me a candle. That might work.
    Just turn on your stove and stick the wire into the blue flame. Will be stripped real fast. Unless you have an electric stove. Or you can use a can of butane gas, or camps gas bottle.

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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post

    My dear friend, solving equations with fractions is high school. The settlement procedure does not change. First, calculations are made in the numerator and denominator, and then the fraction is solved. I recommend repeating what was taught in school. This material has already proved everything, science does not deny the over-unit electromechanical converter, it is denied by idiots who think that they rule the world.
    Seriously Rakker, looks like you don't get it. What is in your paper is this: I = E - U / R + Rz

    Using proper elementary school rules for division and addition, that means your first divide U/R, then add E and Rz. Clearly that is not what you meant in your formula as your units don't add up. I is in units of Amps, E is in units of voltage, U/R is in units of Amps, Rz is in units of ohms. Clearly, you can't add those up.

    Clearly what you meant to write down is this: I = (E - U) /(R + Rz)

    Yet the brackets are missing in your paper.... Fix it if you want anybody to understand what you mean.

    But maybe you first need to revisit kindergarten before you go to elementary school?

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  • Turion
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    Got all of the holes for the plates to hold the coils in place drilled, tapped and labeled. Labeled the plates too in case not everything is the same. Each plate was fitted to a specific spot.

    Also got all 12 coils fit into the machine and coils and their positions labeled.

    Now I need to strip all the coil wires bare and get them twisted together to fit in the connectors. But first, lunch.

    Looks like tomorrow-Sunday I can do some testing while I wait for the new gears. My igniter I use to burn the coating off the wires ran out of juice. Need to get another one or two. There’s always SOMETHING that requires a trip to town. Maybe my wife will loan me a candle. That might work.

    Last edited by Turion; 11-11-2021, 10:29 PM.

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  • Turion
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    I have not. It’s one of many things I need to test. On my old clunker the back of the coil was flush with the coil holder and there were two small pieces of metal with a bolt through the center that allowed them to rotate so the metal extended out over the back of the coil to hold it in place, and I never had a heat problem with them, just with the coil cores themselves. But they would vibrate loose after a while and I constantly had to tighten them. It was a weird setup.

    So I hope this will work. Time will tell. I figured I could always replace the metal with some plastic if I need to.
    Last edited by Turion; 11-11-2021, 09:15 PM.

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  • thaelin
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    Hi Dave:
    Have you by chance spun up a rotor with those metal plates run distance to see if they heat up? They do have the "jingle" of being SS but thought you might want to check under load so to speak. I held a small motor in place with a cut pvc and it got hot to the touch and was enough to warp the pvc.
    thay

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    So yesterday was my weekly trip to town which kills half a day. But I did get some things done and have some more to do.

    https://youtu.be/W8-kCFuACNs
    well improved assembly, so that the coils do not move or vibrate, everything well adjusted and held, for greater safety and operation, excellent S. Dave

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  • Rakarskiy
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    Originally posted by pmgriphone View Post

    Rakarsky, your write up is a mess. Putting equations like this in your text leaves to many arbitrary interpretations. Please fix your write up and fix the details: Put brackets where they belong throughout all of your text.

    I = E - U / R + Rz is not equal to I = (E - U) / (R + Rz)

    Not sure how you can ever proof anything if you are sloppy like that! Someone reading your text has no clue what you mean with your equations.

    And lastly, why don;t you build what you designed in your article and proof to yourself (and us) that it really works as you think it will.
    My dear friend, solving equations with fractions is high school. The settlement procedure does not change. First, calculations are made in the numerator and denominator, and then the fraction is solved. I recommend repeating what was taught in school. This material has already proved everything, science does not deny the over-unit electromechanical converter, it is denied by idiots who think that they rule the world.

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  • Turion
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    So yesterday was my weekly trip to town which kills half a day. But I did get some things done and have some more to do.

    https://youtu.be/W8-kCFuACNs

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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post

    You are wrong, Ampere Force works, and even very strong, especially in axial generators, without cores. Secondly, in my article I do not disassemble a generator with a core at all. This article is more like proof that the statement about the balance of electrical and mechanical power in generators is a big educational lie.

    My article "Electromechanical converter, with efficiency> 1. Solving a problem in physics" no one forbids studying it.

    PS. I have already conveyed my regards to my Russian-speaking Cerberus, their commission for the fight against pseudoscience.





    Rakarsky, your write up is a mess. Putting equations like this in your text leaves to many arbitrary interpretations. Please fix your write up and fix the details: Put brackets where they belong throughout all of your text.

    I = E - U / R + Rz is not equal to I = (E - U) / (R + Rz)

    Not sure how you can ever proof anything if you are sloppy like that! Someone reading your text has no clue what you mean with your equations.

    And lastly, why don;t you build what you designed in your article and proof to yourself (and us) that it really works as you think it will.
    Last edited by pmgriphone; 11-10-2021, 06:49 AM.

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  • Rakarskiy
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Mr. Rakarskiy,
    this discussion is off-topic (or too deep) for this thread, in my opinion, so I'll step out, but leave this reference.
    bi ______
    "Ampère's Force Law is seldom used directly for practical engineering purposes. Its real value is to form the basis upon which to define the unit of electric current. You can derive the Force Law by substituting the magnetic field value given by the Biot Savart Equation into the motor equation. Indeed, practical calculations of the electromechanical force usually take this approach, which you can also extend to include inhomogeneous media.

    All of what follows applies only to 'free space' environments. Ampère's Force Law is of no use in the presence of magnetizable materials. However, the Force Law has the advantage, as a means of defining the ampere, that it is independent of any definition of a magnetic field. Magnetic flux density may instead then be defined in terms of the ampere."

    (link) http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop...pereForce.html
    You are wrong, Ampere Force works, and even very strong, especially in axial generators, without cores. Secondly, in my article I do not disassemble a generator with a core at all. This article is more like proof that the statement about the balance of electrical and mechanical power in generators is a big educational lie.

    My article "Electromechanical converter, with efficiency> 1. Solving a problem in physics" no one forbids studying it.

    PS. I have already conveyed my regards to my Russian-speaking Cerberus, their commission for the fight against pseudoscience.






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  • bistander
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    Mr. Rakarskiy,
    this discussion is off-topic (or too deep) for this thread, in my opinion, so I'll step out, but leave this reference.
    bi ______
    "Ampère's Force Law is seldom used directly for practical engineering purposes. Its real value is to form the basis upon which to define the unit of electric current. You can derive the Force Law by substituting the magnetic field value given by the Biot Savart Equation into the motor equation. Indeed, practical calculations of the electromechanical force usually take this approach, which you can also extend to include inhomogeneous media.

    All of what follows applies only to 'free space' environments. Ampère's Force Law is of no use in the presence of magnetizable materials. However, the Force Law has the advantage, as a means of defining the ampere, that it is independent of any definition of a magnetic field. Magnetic flux density may instead then be defined in terms of the ampere."

    (link) http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop...pereForce.html

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  • Rakarskiy
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    Why don't the units work out to support your derivation? The "Ampere force" is expressed in N/m ( newtons per meter, force per unit length of wire), not a moment in Nm ( newton meters as is torque).
    bi
    You had a bad physics teacher. Any force is measured in Nyutans (SI). Ampere force is also in Newtons:

    Fa = B * l * v * sina (N)

    In rotary motion, the concept of a moment of force is applied, which is formed from a lever relative to the axis and the point of application of the force:

    T(Nm) = F(N) * r (m)* sina.

    *later I will publish my article in English
    Read the updated version via google translator.
    Last edited by Rakarskiy; 11-09-2021, 10:06 AM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post

    I don't want to offend you, but the science of electromechanisms is based on the ampere force. This is my material, a simple and logical solution.
    Why don't the units work out to support your derivation? The "Ampere force" is expressed in N/m ( newtons per meter, force per unit length of wire), not a moment in Nm ( newton meters as is torque).
    bi

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  • Turion
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    A couple things to report.

    I finished coil # 6 today, and at that rate it should only take two more days to finish the rest. Hopefully I finish them all tomorrow as I have figured out things to speed the process up. If so, I can start working on the pieces to secure the coils in place and keep them from spinning, which plays havoc with the wires.

    Since I got the gears and bushing ordered, I don't have to drive to Sacramento to try and get one. None of the places I called had it in stock anyway. I do have to go pick up my grocery order in town, which means I can stop at Lowes and pick up a couple things I need.

    Since I can't run the machine at the correct speed for "Neutral Lenz" until the new gears arrive, and it looks like I will have everything else done in the next couple days, this will give me a chance to see if I can get my coils to achieve "Neutral Lenz" at a lower RPM simply with the addition of a capacitor. Tesla said it is possible, so now's the time to figure it out. If so, maybe I can figure out the "Neutral Lenz" configuration for several different Rotor speeds with this particular size rotor and these specific coils with this specific core. Sounds like fun to me. Data is always helpful, and if not for me, for someone who comes after me.
    Last edited by Turion; 11-09-2021, 06:43 AM.

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  • Rakarskiy
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Mr. Rakarskiy, It appears that you misuse Ampere's force law in your derivation. Ampere's force law applies to the force developed between two current carrying wires in magnetostatics. As such, it has nothing to do with a "moment" or torque. Sorry, but that invalidates your premise.
    bi
    I don't want to offend you, but the science of electromechanisms is based on the ampere force. This is my material, a simple and logical solution.

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