Motor Generators

[Turion]

That fly back/motor switch sounds a lot like the circuit Matt has for the simple motor. It fires the motor while at the same time sending the coil collapse to the charge battery. I will watch the video when I get a chance. It doesn’t play on my iPhone but will on my laptop. Both are Apple products.

[BroMikey]

YES YOU ARE A VERY KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON ON THE SUBJECT.

Here is an 8 year old video starting at 130rpm then 600rpm then going down to 350rpm

Be patient and pick over this short video. It answers your question above. It's a beginning
He is using only three coils but I think this old design had dual rotors as you mentioned 1/2" gaps yet it works.

Listen to the message about the flyback switch then he calls it a motor switch it ain't that hard to collect.

Did you hear him say "all coming from the batteries"? Because Thane is using a variac people assume it's ac from the wall. It is not ac from the wall. It's part of his flyback motor switch. It is pulse DC not AC

[Turion]

I watched the video. I understand everything Thane is talking about, and it all fits what I know about how these kinds of coils can operate. And from what I saw, it could be done with rotors on both ends of the coil rather than a C core. But I will have to try it to be sure. I hear 66 amps, but that is a pulse, and no mention of volts. Amps without volts or volts without amps mean nothing to me, as either is easy to do. It is the combination of BOTH that is meaningful. I also hear that of the three coils, two require a specific frequency to work as claimed. With a motorcycle that speeds up and slows down, traveling in the correct frequency range for operation of those coils is very iffy, which is probably why we haven't yet seen a Thane bike on the road. Maintaining the correct frequency of rotation is a heck of a lot easier in the lab than it is in real world stop and go situations. That "black box" is his computer that can monitor what is going on in the coils and decide whether to add them to or exclude them from the circuit based on the rpm at which the vehicle is turning the wheel. And his coil which requires no electrical input to provide acceleration is simply using transformer action for increased mechanical power, or "flux harvesting" to produce electricity depending on the situation. Pretty ingenious to design all that into one coil.

One of the things Matt said, and I saw when I built his simple motor, is that when the magnetic field is contained in the coil between two rotor magnets, or in Thane's case, in a "C" core, the spike you get from coil collapse is TREMENDOUS. Matt's setup doesn't even WORK with one rotor. So as a motor, and as a generator, Matt had to have rotors on both ends to produce torque AND to capture the high voltage spike from coil collapse, which can be turned into amperage by the right capacitor, or can charge the second battery faster than the first battery runs down.

From what I know about these coils, and from what Thane said in the video about WHEN his coils work and DON'T work, there is only a certain range of operation (range of speed) where everything works the way it should. Outside of that range, these become ordinary coils. I wonder if he knows how to make them work at all different ranges of speed? Doesn't sound like it from the video. That's a problem. Running a generator is easy, because you can run at constant RPM, but then you don't NEED all the fancy things these coils provide. To run a bike or a car, with variable speeds, you do. And I'm willing to bet that he is still having problems with that variable. Until he solves that problem, we aren't going to see a bike that will run forever from Thane, even though it WILL get extended run times on a charge. Cool stuff!

[BroMikey]

The C core allows for magnets on both ends of the core material at the same time.

The C core might give even MORE output and might be better for OTHER reasons.

Current testing will definitely include rotors on both ends ..

I don't know why that is. I have not built more than 1 C core coil.

Check out the coils and how the new coil is viewed. He shows a 66amp coil but that is the pulsed value when motoring but then the same coil has 7 other functions. C core coils. One C core goes on each side of a rotor and one goes on only one side of the rotor which requires a n and s magnet on each end meaning 2 magnet are skipped.

This video is about a trifilar coil

[Turion]

The C core allows for magnets on both ends of the core material at the same time. You can accomplish the same thing with dual rotors and not have to have your core material in that special “C”configuration. The C core might give even MORE output and might be better for OTHER reasons.

Magnets on both ends of the coils seem to “trap” the flux between the magnets causing the coils to output more. I have seen it with both motor and generator coils in a dual rotor machine. My very FIRST generator build was dual rotor. I may end up going back to that configuration, and if I do, it will be a 3 rotor machine so I can have two sets of coils with a rotor between each set and rotors on both ends. But I will make that decision when I finish the testing I am doing now. Current testing will definitely include rotors on both ends of the coils with this new core material.

[BroMikey]

The guy I know winds those coils for Thane.

But he can't tell much and he knows about the core material too. Did you see a few of Thane's in person demos where ALMOST hands the C coil to a guy but wont let it out of his hand? He doesn't want to have one come up missing.

It's a secret. You might sign another NDA and find out and if your friend tells you he might be charged. You can figure this out but I say the C core shape is the key to reducing coil size and increasing amperage. 5 amps is a huge difference.

The black box motor recovery is always on during demo's this is another secret

[Turion]

The guy I know winds those coils for Thane.

[BroMikey]

You are better than I am. I got out to the Walmart for the first time in months. I am getting healed but my chest bone is still 60% broken or as the say 40% mended. It takes 12 weeks and this is my 5th week. And another 12 weeks to run again.

Those rotors look good. I'll bet (Like Thane) you would like more than one test rig for coils and cores. Thanes old 3" spools look like a ball of yarn while the new cores and coils are very tightly wound. Easy to say. Also each wind or loop is well ordered. No mistakes. The company that provides the proper core material also has state of the art multi-strand winding capabilities.

Each strand is tensioned and each wrap is added with precision. Easy to say.

[Turion]

My small rotors are here. They will allow me to test several size (different diameter and different length) against my original 2” diameter by 1/4” thick magnets. Busy next couple days, but will get the testing done this week. And I have other plans for them when I am done with testing.

I made them to fit my small bench grinder I can control RPM with my Variac

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[BroMikey]

Look on page one

https://www.whiteint.com.au/document...804531_500.pdf

He is max out at 400wat so yeah it would bog and increase radically. That is what you did. Change your motor so it does not run at 150% of it's capacity.

Thane should not run more than 2 coils to be super eff. Eff drops off when you abuse windings Dave

Stick to it, I'll keep you on track. That old scooter burned out at 36amps because it was max rated for 22amps and should have never been run past 17amps so yeah coils made it bog at 200%

https://cdn0.grizzly.com/manuals/w1840_m.pdf

use the big grinder here and maybe a 20w increase?

[Turion]

Which is why you need magnetic neutralization. Adding coils doesn’t cost you an additional 65 watts of input to the prime mover. And if a fourth coil was added to the machine above, it would be MORE than another 65 watts because the drag is compounded. Each coil you add slows the prime mover and lets the magnets be in attraction to the core for longer, which means EVERY coil now drags for longer than it did before. Each coil added let’s EVERY coil have an added negative effect on the prime mover.

[BroMikey]

part 3

same systems but 3 coils working instead of 2 coils

Note / adding a 3rd coil changed the input power needed. 2 coils only took 370watts no load condition and 3 coils needs 435watts which is a 65watt increase on the prime mover for a single coil. Never mind that during on load all 3 coils dropped input power by 120watts @ 90rpm faster

This occurs with conventional generators as well, the more coils you add the greater drag. The only diff is when the coils are on load.

part2 for this other video below, the bench don't lie both video's used 2 coils only. In this test 50rpm increase with input reduction of 77watts @ 3.9amps coming thru the regenx coils

[BroMikey]

part2 for this other video below, the bench don't lie both video's used 2 coils only. In this test 50rpm increase with input reduction of 77watts @ 3.9amps coming thru the regenx coils

Here is Thane doing the same tests except you can not hear what he is talking about

[BroMikey]

bro, just so you know, none of the videos on this page worked in Safari. I was able to open Google Chrome, and they all worked.

I have Brave I have Microsoft Edge and Mozilla which each one has it's flaws but they all work. Android is inferior, maybe upgrade to a gaming laptop for $2500 is what my wife did and that thing smokes on the internet.

Let me check the links BRB

Okay I checked all 3 browsers. No problem on my desktop or my phone.

BTW for those who might be interested six 12 volt batteries float at 13.2v X 6 = 79v
You can run a universal motor on raw DC. At 79v you get close to the rated speed but not the full HP which is not required in this setting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPMSbMsYri8&t=12s

Can you believe he had a 1/2" airgap? That was 8 years ago, no wonder he was only getting 700ma per coil

It important to note that he is using what he calls a "pulse dc motor switch" which I assume is a step up converter. 70-80 watts free wheeling

[Turion]

bro, just so you know, none of the videos on this page worked in Safari. I was able to open Google Chrome, and they all worked.