Motor Generators

[BroMikey]

Hi Dave I know I am pizzing you off but dude think about this chart. It would be easier if I just shut up and go away but I know to much to abandon you.

Look at this permeability chart for iron and some others. Just Permalloy alone has dozens of values in the form of a number. Thane abandoned the old permalloy a while back.

29% of 1200watts is very low. You are saying that the new machine will produce 400w with 12 coils?







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[Turion]

bro,

If you have TESTED core materials and know what the right core material is that will put out lots of power without heating up, please share. If you haven't tested it yourself, don't bother. I don't need speculation, I need facts. Speculation is kinda like wishing and hoping. Until you see it on the bench, it is not rally a fact. The coils I am using have permalloy cores. It is the best material I have found so for for both power production and running long term. It will give me a working prototype, and that is all I care about. I got EXACTLY the data I wanted, comparing four of the original magnets against four of the ones I am using right now. It shows me that these magnets give me around 29% of the output that the 2" diameter magnets on the OLD machine put out. A full size rotor was not necessary to figure that out, only the SAME number of magnets on the SAME size rotor. I was also able to test against 4 of the 1' x 1" magnets and compare the results of all of them Obviously a larger rotor with more magnets will change the output. Any idiot knows that. But it would change the output for ALL the different magnets, so it is not necessary. Rotors the same size with only ONE magnet each would have given me the data to make the same comparison, but I have other uses for these rotors, so I had them made to hold four magnets.

[BroMikey]

https://youtu.be/s9c0CoyR2iM

A personal suggestion, Mr. Dave, I think he would have made a replica of this generator that worked for him,

he must test the same size rotor yes

[alexelectric]

https://youtu.be/s9c0CoyR2iM

A personal suggestion, Mr. Dave, I think he would have made a replica of this generator that worked for him, with the safest and strongest material like the one he did later, the heating of the core would have resulted with some cooling, something provisional for that would allow more time of operation.

I observe that it changes options and results, and it is adjusting and looking for new operating conditions.

It takes time to find the right materials to get the desired results.

Thank you for everything you share with us Mr. Dave

[BroMikey]

Original cores were iron. It heats up after 30 minutes

I won't know until it is up and running with the new coil material and the new magnets.

Yes I know but using the right core will give you more power as the old iron without the heat. Use the old cores to see what this new test jig produces. It will be no heat and 70watts because you are making tests with a rotor that does not simulate a 24 magnet rotor at 3 times the speed for magnets whipping by cores. AT a 4" dia magnet rotor @3000rpm's the magnet is traveling 3100 feet per minute but at the 11" dia 8600 feet per minute almost 3x more feet.

You must know there is a difference, you can not ignore. WRite it on the board 20 times or you are kicked out of class till further notice

[BroMikey]

BTW hoping is a lot like wishing, my Dad use to say, when I would hope or make a wish "wish in one hand and zhit in the other to see which hand fills up the quickest"

[Turion]

Original cores were iron. It heats up after 30 minutes and melts the coating off the wires, shorting out the coil. So while those coils will put out EXACLY what I claimed they would, they cannot be used long term. The new coils can. And the machine will put out what it puts out. I won't know until it is up and running with the new coil material and the new magnets.

[BroMikey]

Here is the data testing different magnets. I have four of each magnet on the rotors. My original magnets were 1/4” x 2” and produced 50.3 volts at .01 amps with a 45 watt load on my test coil.

The 3/4 x 3/4 magnets I am currently using produced only 14.9 volts and didn’t budge the 2 amp meter. Think that could be my problem? I THINK SO.

3/4 diameter by 1” produced 27.8 volts and barely budged the amp meter.

1” x 1” produced 50.3 volts at a tiny bit more than .01 amps, so better than the original magnets.

This is what I will be going with, and 24 of them on the rotor rather than the 6 I had of the 2” magnets on the original rotor. Hopefully the output will make up for the decrease in production of the coils with this new core material that does not heat up.

looks like the cores only produce a fraction of the power of the original iron cores. Not the right material? THE old one's gave 200w plus sumpin is bad bad wrong with that core

[Turion]

Here is the data testing different magnets. I have four of each magnet on the rotors. My original magnets were 1/4” x 2” and produced 50.3 volts at .01 amps with a 45 watt load on my test coil.

The 3/4 x 3/4 magnets I am currently using produced only 14.9 volts and didn’t budge the 2 amp meter. Think that could be my problem? I THINK SO.

3/4 diameter by 1” produced 27.8 volts and barely budged the amp meter.

1” x 1” produced 50.3 volts at a tiny bit more than .01 amps, so better than the original magnets.

This is what I will be going with, and 24 of them on the rotor rather than the 6 I had of the 2” magnets on the original rotor. Hopefully the output will make up for the decrease in production of the coils with this new core material that does not heat up.

[BroMikey]

Battery plate mold maker video; no sound

[alexelectric]

http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/...036#post510036

Very interesting for the data thanks

[BroMikey]

I spy one of Thanes late dual 24 magnet rotor designs. I am looking ahead to the conference data release by Thane Heins

That dual rotor set up looks like a coil tester to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeXzRr7dNg8

In this video real number are given in watts and joules. The unit operates at approx. 1400hz

[BroMikey]

,,..his generator coils have a narrow range of operation, and at high revolutions is where he obtains the generation

This comment that from there he will recover some of the energy for the load, yes, but it is not more than is used to sustain

I still wonder why Thane has not tested his project on a motorcycle in circulation on it traveling through the city or highway

Mr. Thane has good presentations

when you test a device you must test it with enough time to assess its performance.

Hi Alex

You have many good questions so I will try to answer some of them. Thane has video's showing his EBIKE running for 45 minutes with the battery staying charged. Any person knows that batteries run down even for a flashlight. My children get extra batteries when their game controllers run down. Turn the headlights on while your car is parked in the driveway and watch the battery die.

Now let's talk rpm band operation. All motors operate best at full rpm. For instance a 3600rpm motor like to run at 3600rpm so this is why we have a transmission in our cars and bikes.

Another example is the electric hybrid car's on the market today. The reason they get great mileage is because the gas engine operates in a narrow band of rpm that is optimum. A transmission makes the needed changes to the back wheels

Now this statement that you all missed "ABOVE THE CRITICAL MINIMUM" meaning if the design needs 20mph to 45mph operation the generator and transmission are set of to work from 15mph to 100mph. Anything above 15mph the generator coils produce copious amounts.

NOTE: the last generator I posted has a patent that you read concerning the magnets and coils. I did not read it yet but remember that patents often do no give specifics properly and you must read between the lines. Patents are often written to confuse.

[alexelectric]

BroMikey

"This guy found a way to orient rotor magnets to output huge power on a conventional winding with near zero cogging"

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This generator is fine, if it does not present almost magnet-core drag, what I observe in the patent is that the core, in addition to being able to be made up of some metals that reduce the drag, that core is of a thin dimension that faces the coil, the coil tilted a few degrees with respect to the magnet, obtaining the generation is switched by a micro that operates at some src.

So all these elements together allow for a good degree of efficiency in generation.
very good generator

All the works that are presented help us to have elements that guide us to improve the generation and obtaining of energy.

Thane, Dave, BroMikey and others

[alexelectric]

Mr. Thane has good presentations, he shows us his schemes and how his projects work.

All that is good, it helps to document us.

I wonder, how many hours his motorcycle can drive, and that the cores of the coils support, when you test a device you must test it with enough time to assess its performance.

But it's okay, everything is for the better

Greetings