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  • BroMikey
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    Here is a video for quantum and Bye, someone mentioned 7th grade?
    Yeah even a Jr high student is capable of running numbers to calculate watts. First thing everyone is taught, cept Quantum and Bye. Those guys have to have a dyno torque machine. Here in the video even a fool must acknowledge the obvious.

    Come on now say it. So much in and much less out. Say it altogether now.
    That wasn't so hard was it? Say it with me, Volts X amps = what???? Huh?

    I can't believe I am speaking to an audience on the level of an idiot trying to run a few simple numbers. And still not reaching.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 03-11-2021, 06:42 AM.

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  • Turion
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    I didn't point this out, and I SHOULD have. He is getting this output with THREE TIMES the distance between his magnets and his cores as I have on my version of the same machine. Now I know that the output of the coil is changed EXPONENTIALLY by a decrease in distance between the two, so I can't wait to try this on my machine. Over the next few days I will be rewinding two of my coils to put this new material in them. It MAY be easier to punch the old cores out. I will also give that a shot. Anyway, the work continues.

    Also, he is running his motor with one coil in it at 50 volts DC at TWO amps or 100 watts. If you recall from my video the OLD machine consumed 36 volts at 7 amps to run it with NO coils in it, or 252 watts. That’s 2 and 1/2 times what the new machine is running on. Input going DOWN. Output going UP. What more could you ask for. I’m having a really good week.
    Last edited by Turion; 03-10-2021, 10:10 PM.

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  • alexelectric
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    Good advances, good that you are advancing in the improvement of the nucleus, and the generation, just a doubt Mr. Dave, the coil is accelerated, or does it not affect the speed? (neither accelerates nor holds the rotor).

    If you can inform us, since the neutralization is an advance in the reduction of motor consumption, and the other element that affects the rotation of the rotor is the coil, retention (conventional), but not the bifilar coil, as is already known, and commented, I ask him, why he does not comment on the response of the coil, or they are just testing for now, the nucleus and the generation.

    Always appreciating your commitment to share

    I congratulate him again for his project and the last videos that he has shared with us, his machine looks like a whole industrial project, it really amazes us.
    Last edited by alexelectric; 03-10-2021, 12:19 AM.

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  • Turion
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    Latest info from my buddy on test coil output. Hold onto your socks.

    “Core/rotor clearance is 3/16in. +. Sit down now...119 to 122 @2500rpm. Max out at 710 vac and climbing @ 5000rpm. Immediately shut it down and pulled the core. It was hot to touch on the end. It would of heated more at that rpm had I continued. Glue was only dry for an hour so I stopped. I then ran it for a while @ 2500rpm and kept pulling the core. (easy at that rpm, slips in and out) and it only gets warm. It is now running over 20 min. I keep pulling the core and checking and it has not gotten to hot to hold in your hand. It is plenty warm but no discoloring of paint or melting of tape. I`m going to keep it running for a while @2500.

    Glue has been dry for hours now + some heat so I should be OK. Voltage has been steady for a while now @122 @2551rpm. I`m gonna run it for a while. I think we may have a winner. I may try and hook up a light bulb as a load later.

    Update again: as I am sending this my gen has been running longer than an thing previous, almost an hour and still no heating of the core. Just held it in my hand and squeezed it.”

    He is getting as much from a coil as I got from a coil pair. So now we just have to verify we have a source for this that will alllow us to repeat. We know where he got it but THEY purchase from different suppliers, so checking different sources of the same material is necessary.

    It’s going to make quite a demo for the conference.
    Last edited by Turion; 03-09-2021, 09:42 PM.

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  • alexelectric
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    Very good, you can make different Configuration, I am using the same magnets of the generation, in neutralization, because I started with 6 of large size 2 ", so I did it as a test prior to the coils, to test the concepts, but I have other options that I will experience.

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  • liber63
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    Yes I have watched it, all your vids are permanently staying on my pc and watched thoroughly and repeatedly. I don't have the means and the skills of yours, but everyday i learn. I put 8 magnets for now, but there is room for 16 as you see. I experiment with opposition magnets on the same radius for the coil. I thought in this way I will be more accurate when i make the rotor holes. With even number of magnets on the rotor I still have the opposite position on the diameter to experiment. My magnets are smaller and weaker, N 45. I couldn't find any N52 in good price. Very expensive for me. I also put strong opposing magnets behind the core of the coil, like in Muller. It seems to make it much easier for the motor to start the rotor. Didn't see any other benefit though.

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Quantum,
    As I have said many many times, this whole idea of outrunning lenz is based on TWO things. Capacity of the coil and Frequency

    How do you control capacity of the coil?
    Length of wire
    Number of strands in parallel connected in series
    OR a capacitor in parallel
    Kind of core material
    Mass of core material

    How do you control frequency?
    Number of magnets on the rotor
    RPM of the rotor/ motor

    Change ONE thing and it affects what you have to do with another

    My coils are made of 12 strands of # 23 each 253 feet long. Four strands are connected in series. My core is soft iron and the mass is that which is required to fill a standard 3 1/2 x 3” bobbin. My rotor has 22 magnets on a 10 1/2” rotor and MUST spin at 1800 RPM to get the effect.


    That’s why I asked you what size rotor you have and how many magnets. What’s the operating RPM of the motor you will be using. What core material will you be using and what size bobbin? Only THEN can we figure out your “coil”.
    Good note from Mr. Dave, he reminds us of the elements and variables that intervene in the generation, a good reference for those who start in the prototypes of power generation with bifilar coils, or multiple wires.

    As he says well, if you move one of the variables, the others change, from there it depends on what you want to have from generation.

    From the reference data that shows us of the coil, and as a reference, you can build other coils with different lengths, wire gauge, core, but you have to experiment and test it, since to find the right capacitance for the rpm, and inducing magnets, it is experienced.

    But here we already have some parameters of the coil and the other elements already tested by years of experimenting by Mr. Dave, which can guide or guide users who are new to this topic.
    Last edited by alexelectric; 03-09-2021, 06:52 PM.

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  • Turion
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    liber63
    Watch this video and you will see the repulsion magnets
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IGtGvazqfs

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  • Turion
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    Latest update on this new core material. The results are blowing may mind! I was getting around 65 volts per coil at .75 or so amps. My buddy changed things around in the core a bit and used a different size piece of the same material and is outputting 326 volts per coil. He had the material wrapped with some kind of plastic tape, and there was enough heat to curl the tape, so the testing goes on. I have some of the material on order but now I have to come up with some empty coil bobbins. I'm thinking of taking the wire off a couple of my existing iron core bobbins and winding the new bobbins straight from that. It would serve a couple purposes to do it that way. I would have enough bobbins with no windings but with an iron core to show bi slander how wrong he is about magnetic neutralization, plus it allows me to wind the new cores without suffering the expense of buying more wire or the time it takes to wind a coil from scratch. So it seems like a plan.

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  • liber63
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    Wow, never thought the size of opposition magnets could be the same as rotor magnets. I tried with smaller sizes. Thnks Dave. I 'll see what i can manage.

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  • BroMikey
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    Black beauty 4 opposition magnets explained

    Hey Dave, this unit is wonderful.

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  • BroMikey
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    Black Beauty does not have 2 sets of magnets like the other video, which I call intelligence. So it seems that in the new version opposition magnets placed is the same circle as the cores.

    See video (1 set not 2 sets) Not double expense, double cutting and twice as many chances to fail. Very good.

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  • BroMikey
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    I guess I lost the video of the 22 magnet rotors

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  • Turion
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    On my big machine the rotor magnets are 1” by 1/2” and they are back to back on the rotor with a thin piece of plastic between them so they attract to each other through it. So a “pair” of magnets in each “position” on the rotor. The repulsion magnets are the same size and there is one on each side of the rotor for each position.

    My new machine is exactly the same setup with the exception that the pice of plastic between the magnets on the rotor is 1/8” thick and has a hole in the center of it for a 5/8 x 1/8” magnet that the the rotor magnets on each side come in contact with. But rotor magnets and repulsion magnets are the same size. All are N52.

    it took me a really long time to perfect the design of this machine and to understand that magnetic attraction is almost an exponential force. Tiny changes make incredible differences. That’s why I have coils on both sides of the rotor so that the rotor magnets are pulled in opposite directions at the same time. That’s why opposition magnets are on both sides of the rotor so the both push against the rotor equally from opposite directions. The rotor will flex, unless it is very, very strong and very thick. That’s one of the reasons I went to a much thicker rotor. And I STILL see the effects if I do not have my opposition magnets screwed in the same distance.


    With only one coil, make sure your opposition magnet is not pushing the rotor the same direction the rotor magnet near the coil is pulling it.

    I didn’t think I would need a magnet the size of the rotor magnet in opposition to counteract the attraction of a rotor magnet to the core, but there is a LOT of mass in that core!!! That’s what does it.
    Last edited by Turion; 03-08-2021, 11:10 PM.

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  • liber63
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    Hi Dave,
    I 've been trying for quite some time now to neutralize with opposing magnets and cannot succeed. I have tried different sizes of magnets, different rotors and no real success. Also tried different ideas for opposing. Not succeeded. Can you give a rough idea of how strong are the opposing magnets compared to the ones on the rotor? Are they half the strength, 1/3 of the strength or 1/20th of the strength. The best i could do is lessen the input motor about 15%, not more. All my tests are for one coil. I suppose if i find the right magnet and distance for one, then I will find easier for two of them as a pair. Am I right?

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