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  • dragon
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    Turion, As a mental experiment, follow the progression starting with the first one charged and the second at 0, then series these together and add a fresh 0 charged cap... follow the progression by adding a fresh 0 charge cap and putting the last in series with the others as you go along.... did you get more than the original 288 joules you started with?

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  • Turion
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    So in Dragons example, 50% of the energy was lost, but how much was RECOVERED? My “math” says, in his example, 25%. That’s what ended up in the second capacitor after going through the load. Not only will higher voltages affect the results, as Dragon says, but I have seen it affected by other things.

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  • Quantum_well
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    Oh, what fun with joules!! 60.00 joules = 1 watt/minutes.
    Last edited by Quantum_well; 04-28-2021, 09:12 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post

    bro,
    What you posted from John B is a radiant battery charging setup not a simple potential difference circuit.

    Charge a large 24 volt cap and measure the watts put into it as you do. Then put a load between that cap and an identical cap that is empty and measure what leaves the 1st cap and arrives at the second cap. THEN tell me 80% of the energy cannot be recovered while still running the load.




    Originally posted by dragon View Post

    Actually that will leave you with a 50% loss of energy between the caps... 1 farad charged to 24 volts = 288 joules and the second at 0 joules... balanced you have both caps at around 72 joules in each or a total remaining of 144 joules. So 1/2 of the charge is lost.

    However, if you start with charged caps you can increase the recovery substantially. For instance the first 1 farad cap charged to 24 volts and the second charged to 12 giving you 288 joules in the 24 volt cap and 72 joules in the 12 volt cap. When these are balanced you end up with 162 joules in each or a total balance of 324 joules and you started with 360 joules. Now you only have a 10% loss while balancing the system. You can get near unity as the voltage increases and the difference decreases
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    Where did you learn math? Out of a cracker jacks box? Dragon is right. Even still I wanted to try this and one of the many experiments offered used 2 converters to pump the system. The 1st converter acted in place of the Bedini coil and circuit. So pull that all out and you have two 12v batteries as source and one 12v battery facing the leads in the split the positive format.

    If 80% were true, or even 20% or 10% was going to be recovered then my 12 batteries would stay charged.

    The math is clear but I wanted to put it to a hardware test. Here is what I saw. 24v source over two 12v loads. The first stop is the converter load and the 2nd load the charging battery. Nothing seemed to work and so my batteries had to be charged as I was losing them again.

    So next I measured the joules traveling around the loop and got a number. Numbers are important for doing the math. Next I took all 3 batteries and put them in parallel after a full charge making sure that the discharge rate was comparable to the 1st test. This is because going from a c20 discharge rate to a c35 discharge rate will lower internal battery plate resistance and you will seem to find more joules in that battery.

    The number of joules was greatest coming straight of the 3 parallel batteries because the other circuit presented greater resistance loses by the charging battery #3. In other words my watt meter counted more joules straight off the 3 parallel batteries going to the converter that powered the load than the split system.

    I will say that the modified motor seem to run strong and hold the batteries up longer but the batteries did go right down. Some have suggested if I had half a brain I would buy lots of converters and find the magic circuit that would operate the system like the modified motor.

    Shame on you Dragon for bringing math into the equation.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-27-2021, 08:41 PM.

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  • dragon
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    bro,
    What you posted from John B is a radiant battery charging setup not a simple potential difference circuit.

    Charge a large 24 volt cap and measure the watts put into it as you do. Then put a load between that cap and an identical cap that is empty and measure what leaves the 1st cap and arrives at the second cap. THEN tell me 80% of the energy cannot be recovered while still running the load.
    Actually that will leave you with a 50% loss of energy between the caps... 1 farad charged to 24 volts = 288 joules and the second at 0 joules... balanced you have both caps at around 72 joules in each or a total remaining of 144 joules. So 1/2 of the charge is lost.

    However, if you start with charged caps you can increase the recovery substantially. For instance the first 1 farad cap charged to 24 volts and the second charged to 12 giving you 288 joules in the 24 volt cap and 72 joules in the 12 volt cap. When these are balanced you end up with 162 joules in each or a total balance of 324 joules and you started with 360 joules. Now you only have a 10% loss while balancing the system. You can get near unity as the voltage increases and the difference decreases.

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  • Quantum_well
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    Case closed.
    2.7 amps might just light the lights.
    You do realise it's running off of the wall?

    https://youtu.be/AkK2RsApWZE

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  • Turion
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    bro,
    What you posted from John B is a radiant battery charging setup not a simple potential difference circuit.

    Charge a large 24 volt cap and measure the watts put into it as you do. Then put a load between that cap and an identical cap that is empty and measure what leaves the 1st cap and arrives at the second cap. THEN tell me 80% of the energy cannot be recovered while still running the load.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by voltan View Post
    when you create a flux loop like this it acts like a permanent magnet indefinitely
    cheers.
    Good man. Yes this circulating loop is interesting.


    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-26-2021, 11:52 PM.

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  • voltan
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    i replaced gotolucs clip based on you’re advice bro.
    the pmh effect is a challenge to understand. i can’t think of a reason why the rotor changes direction in the clip in 1587 and when you create a flux loop like this it acts like a permanent magnet indefinitely until you force it apart, then it’s not.
    cheers.
    Last edited by voltan; 04-26-2021, 11:36 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Bedini Motor Generator and evolution

    Here is a split battery charging system. 24vdc source to 12vdc to power motor coil and 12vdc left over goes to the single charging battery. BUT the motor coils is arranged to collect back energy and the charging battery gets 15vdc. Perfect. COP 1 the recovery is not 80% as Dave has suggested in my test rig. I wanted to see if a split battery charging system could collect back 80% or even 15%. Not my rig.

    John Bedini did not get an 80% recovery either. According to John B the best this circuit in this picture ever got was a 10% recovery rate or 1:1 cop and the fan action was free. Dave gets over 8 Times that but nobody knows how. Cause we're to stupid. In my circuit I replace the big coil with motors, modified motors, boost converters and of all types. The batteries supply joules and it all equals out in the end if you do the math.

    Slow running motors to charge a 3rd battery at the correct level results in slight losses, not 80% gains. Not 50% gains, not 25% gains. No gains were witnessed with my basic rig. 8 pulses per second is the best charging rate for a battery and after mouths of running it this way the batteries magically charge a tiny bit faster. 110% Max.

    See my many video's of conclusive proof no free lunch. 12 batteries of low internal resistance price costing $110 each. Also paralleling batteries lower this internal resistance even further. So these batteries far surpass Dave's for resistance and he knows it still he will pick at the batteries as if this must be the cause.

    Dave's says he and Bob are smart and I am stupid. Okay, well he has always said that to anyone who fails to prove him right.

    http://www.eternaltruth.net/Science/...l%2520Girl.gif



    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-26-2021, 11:14 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by voltan View Post
    here’s a clip that shows the leedskalnin pmh effect in an interesting way. curious as to why the brush comutated rotor reverses direction..
    https://youtu.be/fzQmC2-VU3g
    This video is such a great reminder coming from Roy. The other guy is debunk Luc, joke

    This video is awesome and shows the trapped free energy. According to many these PMH setups come with other coils to siphon off a small portion and the circulating loop builds it back up and if you drain some off fast enough in nano pulses you get a little more, enough to run an LED

    I like Roy, he is real. No secrecy and has a brain

    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-26-2021, 07:08 PM.

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  • voltan
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    here’s a clip that shows the leedskalnin pmh effect in an interesting way. curious as to why the brush comutated rotor reverses direction..
    https://youtu.be/fzQmC2-VU3g
    Last edited by voltan; 04-26-2021, 03:25 PM.

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  • voltan
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    the flynn parallel path concept is shown in a few interesting clips, but they’re basically solid state in presentation. it’s a different game having a movable rotor in a motor, which is probably why there are hardly any motor clips using this approach.
    https://youtu.be/Z_UHixEy7xU
    Last edited by voltan; 04-26-2021, 11:25 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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  • voltan
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    no flux switching here but this is a nicely built newman motor, with a diametric cylinder magnet rotor, so n-s isn’t flat face to flat face its semi circle to semi circle and you can buy them with a centre hole for a shaft.
    most of the builds on youtube use crude brush commutation and regular magnets on the rotor but they pretty simple to build.

    https://youtu.be/pvpvepjoY8g
    Last edited by voltan; 04-25-2021, 10:29 PM.

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