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  • Originally posted by Turion
    I just explained ďWhy the heat.Ē I was very specific. It is not the wire that is causing the heat. It is the CORE material that is heating up. Magnets going by the CORE are CONSTANTLY rearranging particles within the core.
    I don't know if I agree with that
    analysis. Induction heating is done without core material. It is
    the magnetic field that brings in the energy as far as I know.

    The coil calculators are designed for 200-300 ft of wire not so much
    3000feet. This subject is not as cut and dry as you may think. That
    is my view. You keep repeating the same reasons and getting the same
    results, I understand that.

    2G HTS magnet wire can carry up to 200X more current than standard
    magnet wire according to the site that sell this wire. This means that the
    resistance of the wire is lower and this might work better than being
    stuck with all that wire (3000ft) that brings heat. My opinion. You have
    them and I have them. Cores don't bring in heat, magnetic fields bring
    in energy into the core where heating takes place.

    I still have not figured it all out yet. Like 23awg wire being good for
    less than an amp when it is over 10 feet. 1000-2000-3000 ft brings
    with it resistance, impedance, reactance all this is 8th grade tronix.

    With 12 strands 250 ft each X 4 = 1000ft is the null point and you are
    getting .5 amps out of it then you have 3 circuits so that is well within
    the limits for the wire if what I said was true. But a single 23awg
    conductor can not handle 1.5amps all by itself. Which as you say
    eliminates the heating being caused by small wire but rather core
    material being the culprit.

    Which brings us back to the frequency of the rig. Let's see 5 magnets
    singing around at 2800 rpm's or 47 turns per second so 47 X 5 magnets
    so 47 X 5 = 235hz

    Anyway I am going to look for a supplier for type II or second generation
    magwire. 2G HTS magnet wire it is called or you can get 2G LTS. What
    that means is that we would be able to change impedance values by
    selecting a smaller conductor that handles the same current.

    Thane Heins is leading the way and suggesting it's use. Back when he
    first started he had coils bigger than we do. later after he went to other
    wire they all mysteriously shrunk to 1/4 the size.

    All I am doing is airing out what everybody is thinking and getting away
    with it.




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    Last edited by BroMikey; 05-23-2019, 07:45 PM.

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    • 77k

      Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
      ...
      Anyway I am going to look for a supplier for type II or second generation
      magwire. 2G HTS magnet wire it is called ...
      So, going to run at 77K? Good luck with that.

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      • I guess that must be the answer then. The core material needs to be
        changed out for something factory designed or engineered. Pounding
        coat hanger wire into a plastic tube is out of the question for the huge
        machine. 2500 watts is nothing to sneeze at.

        And your fears that if you change the cores out and you loose the old
        fashion iron that it won't ever work again? Humm... naw it'll work just
        go to a 400hz core material like air craft alternators use? Wait that
        doesn't change, what am I thinking? I believe it uses the same iron at
        400hz but I could be wrong.

        Heat = waste so if you get rid of the heat you will be collecting more
        energy back that the iron blocks are generating, throwing off. That
        heat energy= extra energy.

        I see Thanes wire and it is tough thin wire and he can get 10 amps
        thru it? My God that is some special wire to do that.

        The wetting agent for nanocrystalline ribbon must be as thin as possible
        and you will be able to replace the iron whether it be - bee bee's in
        cement or Ferrite dust in plastic, with amazing results. Yes make square
        cores and use square spools or they are called bobbins. All costs.
        Last edited by BroMikey; 05-24-2019, 12:23 AM.

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        • Here are a few video's for anyone wanting to get their minds on the
          subject of how ribbon winders work and how the ribbon looks or the
          wetting agent bucket being part of the process. Also the wipers after
          wetting is very important, then I am sure there must be a good amount
          of tension on the ribbon.

          I would do it in a rounded cornered square then cut out where the
          magnet goes for my "C" cores. I have not figured out how to make
          straight bars yet but it is here somewhere.

          if single pieces or strips are wetted and stacked you would need a
          form and a stamping foot to hold pressure down on the leafs while
          it dries. It has to have pressure on the ribbon after wetting to press
          out the remaining glue to get one metal strip as close to the next
          piece as possible.


          [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44QxBgbCX8c[/VIDEO]

          This one crazy

          [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkHw-a4eoyc[/VIDEO]

          Tiny spot weld is cool keeps tension

          [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe-NADkyQMw[/VIDEO]

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          • [QUOTE=Pot head;318009]Here is a snapshot of your post as I view it.
            I donít see the images.


            Here is my favorite square core cutting chop saw machine, beautiful
            work, like a dream. placed in a vice.

            Does anyone else see this? Pot head can not. these are not picture
            they are YOUTUBE video's maybe you need an app.



            [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCyunbQrFEM[/VIDEO]
            Last edited by BroMikey; 05-24-2019, 01:44 AM.

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            • not that expensive to do it better, coil
              core blocks all made, ignore min order not true


              https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...11741544XDyj5M



              Last edited by BroMikey; 05-24-2019, 02:16 AM.

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              • Originally posted by Turion
                Run the coil for just a couple minutes. Then put a laser thermometer on the core and then the outside of the coil. The heat begins at the core and moved outward The core, which is iron, is always hotter than the copper at the outside of the coil yet copper absorbs heat better than iron does. If it was the electricity or amps in the wire that was causing the heating problem, the end of the wire would be the same temp as the beginning since that transfer would be almost instantaneous. But that does not happen. The coil heats up from the center outward, which is why I believe it is the iron core. I could be wrong, but when I cool the core with water, the issue goes away, which ALSO leads me to my conclusion. But we all base our conclusions on the info we have. Thatís what makes research so interesting.

                In this you are right, the heating of the core comes from a cent. So what exactly are the vectors of opposites of the magnetic and electric fields. But heat occurs when two magnetic resist each other. The magnetic field is inert. by dividing into zones and time intervals, heating can be avoided. This moment just went into my theory about the immateriality of the magnetic field.

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                • Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post
                  But heat occurs when two magnetic fields
                  resist each other. The magnetic field is inert. by dividing into zones
                  and time intervals, heating can be avoided. .
                  Very good, also low frequency core will heat up at high frequencies.
                  For instance if we take a wall adapter designed for 50hz or 60hz and
                  run it it at 235hz it will burn up.

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                  • Originally posted by bistander View Post
                    So, going to run at 77K? Good luck with that.
                    Honestly I have no idea what khz just think it will be a fun experiment.

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                    • Once again

                      Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
                      Honestly I have no idea what khz just think it will be a fun experiment.
                      K = kelvins.

                      Been through this with you about a year ago.

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                      • Originally posted by bistander View Post
                        K = kelvins.

                        Been through this with you about a year ago.
                        Okay, little man talk, got a motor gen?

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                        • The guy is already a magician, another focus from the point of view of skeptics. To be honest, I also have a lot of questions. For example, what is the no-load voltage of the generator, the voltage of the motor, the operating speed of the motor, the generator and other details of the implementation of Ohmís law. Enjoying life goes on.

                          [VIDEO]watch?v=IW1nkvu9qHg[/VIDEO]

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                          • Good video of a motor generator flywheel. 2 flywheels, looks like
                            he used a small dc cordless drill motor to drive the flywheels
                            and who know what he did on the generator side.

                            Flywheel energy

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                            • Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
                              Good video of a motor generator flywheel. 2 flywheels, looks like
                              he used a small dc cordless drill motor to drive the flywheels
                              and who know what he did on the generator side.

                              Flywheel energy

                              This guy has one controversial moment - this is the area of ​​the rotor pole, in this case the role of the rotor is performed by a flywheel in the rim of which ceramic magnets are attached. In the neighboring windings, counter currents should be induced.

                              Perhaps the output from this generator is the difference of these counter currents and a small torque.

                              Also, the condition at the working speed of rotation, according to the strength of current, according to Ohm's law, for the complete circuit should be fulfilled.
                              I(A) = (Ug- Um) / (Rg+Rm+Rz)
                              Last edited by Rakarskiy; 06-05-2019, 08:42 AM.

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                              • Hi rakarskiy, thanks for sharing.
                                So this reminds me of the experiment, that shows a flywheel being spun up to a certain rpm and taking 300 watts to do so.
                                Then when they stop the flywheel and spin it up again within a certain short time period, it only takes around 30 watts to spin it up to the same rpm.
                                Something within, around or a combination of both, at the heavy mass flywheel is rotated also, other than the material of the rotor itself, that is not obvious to the observer.

                                If we were to spin a flywheel in the center of a small families water fun pool, the water being analogous to this not obvious something that is spinning along with the flywheel.
                                The water in the pool would eventually be rotating at a certain velocity and would take a short time to stop rotating.
                                Though within that short window of time, we could spin up the flywheel with much less energy, because the water (not obvious something rotating with our flywheel) would help the flywheel to accelerate to top speed.
                                Though I think it is something within the space and material of the flywheel itself, that is not obvious, that is getting rotated along with the flywheel and this something carries a much greater inertia than what we add with our input.
                                peace love light

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