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  • alexelectric
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    turion:
    With a 12 strand coil, each strand 250 feet long, three groups of four strands connected in series, the motor would speed up under load at 1140 RPM and possibly LOWER. It wasn't tested at lower RPM, so I don't know.

    This configuration is the one I made with the coil, and if it accelerates under load at the speed you are commenting, it is fine, since I want a generator that does not have so many revolutions, we already know that several factors influence, to remember among them:
    number of magnets
    coil configuration
    As I said in the next few weeks I will have the generator ready to test and perform the tests, it depends on the results I advance on other ideas that I have.
    thanks for your orientations

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  • Turion
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    alexelectric,

    My first version of the coil contained three strands each 1,000 feet long. Wound in parallel and connected in parallel. With those coils loaded at 2800+ RPM the motor would speed up about 100 RPM per coil.

    With a 12 strand coil, each strand 250 feet long, three groups of four strands connected in series, the motor would speed up under load at 1140 RPM and possibly LOWER. It wasn't tested at lower RPM, so I don't know.

    If you wind a 24 strand coil or a 30 strand coil, you might get the RPM's even lower, if that is your goal.

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  • alexelectric
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    experiencia

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    The other day I said my machinist ran a 120 volt 1.8 amp AC motor from the wall at 1600 RPM and then ran it on two coils from the generator at 1700 RPM. Today he disconnected the MY1020 DC razor scooter motor and tried running that AC motor connected to the wall to turn the generator. Of course it didn’t have enough get up and go. Since it’s a 1.8 amp motor, I didn’t expect that it would. But he’s trying all kinds of stuff. He may make something happen to get a self runner before I get down there or maybe not. Either way I can prove what I say about the generator is true. The 6th is rapidly approaching. I can hardly wait.
    Hi
    Cheers
    I comment on my experience:
    I have a 500 watt car alternator.
    the minimum to charge the battery must work at 2000 rpm.
    well I link it to an AC motor ... 120 volts, 1.5 -1.8 amp at 1800 rpm.
    when operating with the alternator without energizing the inductor coil of the alternator, the engine speed did not decrease, but when energizing the alternator coil, and starting to generate, as is logical, it decreased the revolutions to about 1600 to 1500 rpm, giving a voltage the alternator from 9 to the output, of course not used to charge the battery.

    To the motor of changing of pulley by a greater one to give greater speed to the alternator, improvement but it did not reach the optimum speed, the voltage of the alternator was like of about 10 volts.

    Well I said to myself, I look for a motor with more speed, if there are any but they consume some current.
    120 v, 13 amperes 3000 rpm
    220v 6.5 amperes 3000 rpm

    For my purposes, it did not help me the maximum that seeks consumption of about 2 amps.

    but I have a cd engine. I can power from 12 to 130 volts, 7099 rpm, 17 amp.
    As you can see the speed is high, but that will also depend on the load that can perform well.

    I tested a disc with magnets 12 magnets of 20 mm x 20 mm. , with a voltage of 60 volts. consumed 2 amp. at 2500 rpm, of course the disc is not very heavy. They were tests that I did to see what this engine can offer me, is that I plan to use it as a test in the generator proposed by Turion.

    I believe that if the generator project is done well, that:
    1.- the coil accelerates under load
    2.- the appropriate revolutions proposed
    3.-Cancellation of core and magnet drag

    The weight of the disk with the magnets would be only

    remembering turion once you said that you had a generator configuration that worked for you at less speed I don't know if it was 1800 or 1400 rpm there the engine can work well that your assistant is testing



    greetings and happy new year
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  • Turion
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    Start up

    Iím not sure WHAT that DC motor is pulling now on start up. It used to be around 30 amps, but we have gotten dialed in on reducing the magnetic drag, so that eliminated some of it. Iíll see on Monday.

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  • BroMikey
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    General Primer

    [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykQ0lZqRb5k[/VIDEO]

    [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H97HpwZNqZI[/VIDEO]
    Last edited by BroMikey; 01-01-2020, 03:31 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    The other day I said my machinist ran a 120 volt 1.8 amp AC motor from the wall at 1600 RPM and then ran it on two coils from the generator at 1700 RPM. Today he disconnected the MY1020 DC razor scooter motor and tried running that AC motor connected to the wall to turn the generator. Of course it didnít have enough get up and go. Since itís a 1.8 amp motor, I didnít expect that it would. But heís trying all kinds of stuff. He may make something happen to get a self runner before I get down there or maybe not. Either way I can prove what I say about the generator is true. The 6th is rapidly approaching. I can hardly wait.

    Seems like you told us one time way back it took 100+ amps to start up
    your first rig. Which would translate into 36V TIMES 100 amps = up
    in smoke. So yeah those tiny induction motors don't have the balls.
    Thanks 4 the update/letting us know on progress.

    Now-a-days CANCELLATION implementation has lowered that some.

    The scooter motors are for pulling varying loads at all different speeds
    without damage. A universal brush style induction motor would work,
    but you would still have to vary the voltage. Oh and they eat power.

    Probably cost 500w vs a pmm at 300w.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 01-01-2020, 12:20 AM.

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  • Turion
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    Update

    The other day I said my machinist ran a 120 volt 1.8 amp AC motor from the wall at 1600 RPM and then ran it on two coils from the generator at 1700 RPM. Today he disconnected the MY1020 DC razor scooter motor and tried running that AC motor connected to the wall to turn the generator. Of course it didnít have enough get up and go. Since itís a 1.8 amp motor, I didnít expect that it would. But heís trying all kinds of stuff. He may make something happen to get a self runner before I get down there or maybe not. Either way I can prove what I say about the generator is true. The 6th is rapidly approaching. I can hardly wait.

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Only the machine is running RIGHT now, lighting five 300 watt light bulbs and running a small AC motor at 1700 RPM on the last two coils when that same motor will only run at 1600 RPM plugged into the wall. That motor is 110 volt 1.8 amp motor, so that gives you some idea of the output of a coil pair. And the gen is only turning at 1140 RPM, when itís normal running speed is 2800 RPM. The DC motor driving the generator is running on 24 volt at 6 amps, so something is weird about that, but I wonít know what until I get down there. On 24 volts it SHOULD run at 2800 RPM, so I donít know what my machinist is doing wrong. Weak batteries maybe.
    Very interesting your information,
    as soon as I can if I am interested in your videos and your guide.
    I have pending to continue with the project you propose, in a few more weeks I will have information on the progress of the simple replica of the turion generator
    thanks turion for sharing

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  • BroMikey
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    Just using talking points like the media does today and ignore facts.
    The facts are more important than talking points. Facts bring down
    the house of cards or talking points, same thing.

    All generators today loaded draw more current exponentially as the load
    increases. On the other hand our coils do not affect the drive current.
    Generator coils that deliver real power without increasing drive input
    are a phenomena conventional science is unaware of because they have
    deliberately turned a blind eye.

    It is a very simple idea but the indoctrination (Religion) of University
    minds has caused a block in some cases. In other case these so called
    professors of scientific method can do nothing outside govt curriculum.
    They may find (And have) contradictory evidence that makes the books
    obsolete but would not dare to jeopardize their careers.

    Political correctness and dumbing down thru the use of cliche's, trigger
    words and practically story rhyme scenarios doubled down on out of 6th
    grade reading books. All higher learning at the college level is held to
    the roots of 6th grade science. If any higher learning is found to be in
    conflict with these root experiments, it is thrown out.

    Therefore no progress can be made thru scientific method as all roads
    lead to the foundational teaching in early school.

    In conventional science all generator coils slug down the drive input
    causing a proportionate increase as generated power climbs.

    Using N. Tesla's 2nd coil findings (That were buried and rejected) we see
    that a generator can offer large amounts of utility power without the
    old relationships of increased HP (Horse Power). This finding among
    others would have lead to development of high COP (Coefficient or Power)
    on the order of limitless but was not a cost effective strategy for the
    businessmen of the day. It was at this point their media machine was
    used to cripple Tesla's influence in offering any additional findings. Total
    scientific stagnation has persisted ever since.

    Everything taught in schools is based on lies and built on them. The good
    things learned in schools is a beginning only. 6th grade up to 10th or 12th
    grade are the cutoff where we become aware of many scientist findings
    as far back as the 16 hundreds. This is fine but only the starting point.

    In many cases college level instructors are nothing more than parrot's
    boardering on babbling idiots.

    Energy will be free. Generators setup with coils that do not change drive
    input is only one very simple choice for average guys like me. There
    are many examples of different system already doing this.

    The reason we discuss this particular approach to extra energy producing
    systems is to get our foot in the doorway far beyond the closed doors of the
    blind guides standing in our way.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-29-2019, 09:17 AM.

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  • bistander
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    Any actual measurements?

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Only the machine is running RIGHT now, lighting five 300 watt light bulbs and running a small AC motor at 1700 RPM on the last two coils when that same motor will only run at 1600 RPM plugged into the wall. That motor is 110 volt 1.8 amp motor, so that gives you some idea of the output of a coil pair. And the gen is only turning at 1140 RPM, when itís normal running speed is 2800 RPM. The DC motor driving the generator is running on 24 volt at 6 amps, so something is weird about that, but I wonít know what until I get down there. On 24 volts it SHOULD run at 2800 RPM, so I donít know what my machinist is doing wrong. Weak batteries maybe.
    It sounds like RPM is the only measurement taken. All the other numbers are ratings and assumptions, and that doesn't mean much.

    bi

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  • Turion
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    Only the machine is running RIGHT now, lighting five 300 watt light bulbs and running a small AC motor at 1700 RPM on the last two coils when that same motor will only run at 1600 RPM plugged into the wall. That motor is 110 volt 1.8 amp motor, so that gives you some idea of the output of a coil pair. And the gen is only turning at 1140 RPM, when itís normal running speed is 2800 RPM. The DC motor driving the generator is running on 24 volt at 6 amps, so something is weird about that, but I wonít know what until I get down there. On 24 volts it SHOULD run at 2800 RPM, so I donít know what my machinist is doing wrong. Weak batteries maybe.

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  • bistander
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    When

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    bi,
    And when I refuse to prove something to YOU, I am called a liar, a fraud and a con man. It appears itís ok when it is YOU calling names, but nobody is allowed to call YOU names or you whine about it. Youíre killing me Smalls, youíre killing me.

    The 6th is fast approaching. When we prove the generator works to Aaron and he confirms it, what will you do then? More accusations? Or will you finally build it for yourself? Just curious. I guess what happens then will define you. Are you s REALLY interested in free energy, or is your purpose here to spread disinformation and discredit real builders?

    Dave
    Hi Turion,

    What happens when you fail to loop it and cannot measure more real power output than input power? Then the comments I made look like fact instead of name-calling.

    But I knew your claim was false when I made those statements, so I never was name-calling, just stating fact.

    bi

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  • Turion
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    Lol

    bi,
    And when I refuse to prove something to YOU, I am called a liar, a fraud and a con man. It appears itís ok when it is YOU calling names, but nobody is allowed to call YOU names or you whine about it. Youíre killing me Smalls, youíre killing me.

    The 6th is fast approaching. When we prove the generator works to Aaron and he confirms it, what will you do then? More accusations? Or will you finally build it for yourself? Just curious. I guess what happens then will define you. Are you s REALLY interested in free energy, or is your purpose here to spread disinformation and discredit real builders?

    Dave

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  • bistander
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    Who cares and why?

    Originally posted by BobFrench View Post
    I haven't followed the thread much, so I don't know all the history you guys have with Bistander, but maybe we shouldn't be so hard on him. I can only think of 2 reasons he is saying the things that he does: 1) He has been too indoctrinated by classical electrical theory, or 2) He is a paid misinformation plant to misdirect people and keep them spinning their wheels until they get discouraged.

    If he is #1, then he doesn't have free energy and never will. This is sad and maybe we should have some compassion for him.

    If he is #2, then he has decided to flush his own kids and grandkids down the toilet with the rest of humanity as big industry continues to pollute the planet and hold everybody hostage economically. This is even more sad. To work against the health and happiness of your own species for money is very short-sighted and lacks virtue.

    Hopefully, there is some other option that I haven't thought of that has some redeeming value in his actions.

    I don't know him and I have nothing against him, but if he doesn't hold with the possibility of OU, his presence on this forum seems odd.

    Take care all,

    Bob
    Hi Bob,

    I still don't see why it matters. Why can't members just discuss the topic, the science, the energy goals and methods? When I ask for proof of a claim, or evidence, or offer a solution based on the work of Faraday, why must a member ask for my identity, or belittle and insult me? Why can't the member just answer my question and support his statement or claim?

    This is the renewable energy forum on this board, not a social club.

    Regards and happy New year.

    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by BobFrench View Post
    Hello again and Happy Holidays,

    But this short video shows a faster frequency obtained

    Take care,

    Bob
    Looks like about 250hz, you could over charge the battery fast
    if left unattended.

    On the subject of bisexual or byproduct as some have called him I
    think both #1 and #2 apply. Especially #2 his favorite number. But we
    won't get into that.Openly Bi and proud of it. Go figure.

    Now back to testing. Glad you are getting some good results. Do you
    think that gravity or the weight of the arm and magnet helps the
    process? You know as compared or VS. an osc to cap dump?

    That is what you have there. It's a slow cap dump circuit.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-28-2019, 10:44 AM.

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