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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post


    What a beauty of assembly, you can see that it will be much better, good job Mr. Dave

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    30 strand coil has 9 combinations


    30 strand is tough to wind
    I just wound a 51 strand by hand 72 feet long, had to make a slight twist as I rolled it all up so roll was even.

    If I ever do one again I will use my machine. The reason I did that one in the yard was for my boy who is a beginner.

    BTW I need more information on Greyland's run. Do you know if the data is with all of them turned on at once? Or is that data for a single coil pack test, one at a time? Slows way down? one or all? If that data is for one I can only imagine how slow it is running on all 10 coils. Stall?

    30 strand coil has 9 combinations
    24 strand has 8 combinations
    18 strand gas 5 combinations
    12 strand gas 6 combinations


    Nice set of black blocks Mr DaveAndele


    12 coils at the same time lighting the 6 three hundred watt bulbs = 6 X 300w =1800watt
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-07-2020, 03:03 AM.

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  • Turion
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    Update:
    https://youtu.be/jSABbTAz9-Y

    and again
    https://youtu.be/rGvU22elUxI

    Last edited by Turion; 12-07-2020, 01:13 AM.

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  • Turion
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    30 strand coil has 9 combinations
    24 strand has 8 combinations
    18 strand gas 5 combinations
    12 strand gas 6 combinations

    30 strand is tough to wind by hand and so is 24, although I have done it.

    I KNOW a six magnet 10.5 diameter rotor turned at 2800 rpm will achieve the required results on a coil of only 3 strands each 1000 feet long, because that was my first coil and machine and it worked. And then it didn’t when the battery got just the smallest bit discharged. Then the next day it did. It took me weeks to figure out why

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Then I can start looking at how many wires I must have connected in series to achieve the -0- point where the motor neither accelerates nor slows down when the coils are under load. The more wires I can put in parallel, the more amps I get. The goal is to run the motor on one coil pair.



    This is Mr. Dave, more cables connected in parallel for higher amperage, the test I did with the coil of 12 wires, connected in series of 4, and the three configurations that it gives, connected in parallel, gave me a voltage to turn on a 75 watt light bulb, and to turn on a car light at 12 or 24 volts, change the configuration to one more parallel connections and thus, turn on the car light.

    but when I had the series connections of 4, and 3 parallel, I connected a transformer of 120 v -12 volts, and turned on the car light.

    Well you can see that various configurations and arrangements can be made, adapting it to the required needs.

    I did all this with a coil, I am about to test the pair of coils, and continue to seek to optimize this great project of Mr. Dave, for me it is a recognition of his tireless work and search to improve the prototypes to generate energy.

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  • dragon
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    Super... thanks for the reply. Are you going to make the test video available?

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  • BroMikey
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    Also how much the test light bulbs (415v to 2 bulbsyikes) slow down the rig is important. As an example if the rotor slows way down from 3400rpm to 2900prpm or is it more like 3408rpm down to 3300?

    From 3400 to 3375 is a nothing value change and should be considered a success for now.

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  • Turion
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    Dragon,
    This is through a load. They are using my light board so I happen to know it is populated with 300 watt bulbs. A pair of coils is connected to each bulb, and that is the data measured across the load.

    They sent me a video of the test. They turned on one light at a time, tested it, and turned it off. That is the recorded data I sent. Now I wasn’t there, but it appeared TO ME from the sound that each coil was slowing the motor a bit except ONE. And that coil sounded like it was causing the motor to speed up. I wouldn’t be surprised if THAT was the coil with the lowest output. Also, at the end of that video they flipped ALL the lights on and it sounded to me like the motor was slowing down. If so, that would be a fail. I am asking for RPM after each light is added.

    I have asked them to repeat some of these tests, as well as leaving the lights on as they flip each new one on.

    If that one coil is indeed speeding up the motor when connected to a load, I would expect it to put out far below its max possible output. In my experience, that is exactly what happens. It needs to be neutral to give the most output possible.

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  • dragon
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    How is this being measured? Is this open circuit voltage and short circuit current? or voltage/current through a load... if so what was the load... Just curious...

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
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    Data the boys sent me at the end of the day yesterday. I thought the column with total volts it it was "interesting". I told them volts x amps = watts of power output. I would not have figured it the way they did, but the answer is correct, so who cares. probably bi. He likes to pick nits.
    I'll will be back to run numbers. 115 x4= 500watts input plus or minus. Thanks guys, check back later.
    First 8 hour sleep in 2 weeks, had a bad bug.

    pair 1 = 318 x 1.4
    pair 2= 0
    pair3= 310 x 1.47
    pair4= 316.5 x 1.5
    pair5= 152 x 1.4
    pair6=298 x 1.4

    RPM=3400
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-06-2020, 12:28 AM.

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  • Turion
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    474C7E78-0519-44CF-8EED-8A000BEBD512.jpeg
    Data the boys sent me at the end of the day yesterday. I thought the column with total volts it it was "interesting". I told them volts x amps = watts of power output. I would not have figured it the way they did, but the answer is correct, so who cares. probably bi. He likes to pick nits.
    Last edited by Turion; 12-05-2020, 05:58 PM.

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  • Turion
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    You'll have to redo your math. LOL The old rotor had six of the 2" diameter by 1/4" thick neos that were N/S/N/S/N/S. That's six poles
    The NEW rotor has 22 all north magnets that are 3/4 diameter by 3/4 long, BUT you have to remember that between each Pair of north poles there is a "VIRTUAL SOUTH" so the coil "sees" 44 changes per revolution not 22. It's why an all North magnet rotor STILL puts out AC instead of DC.

    My idea was to wind the 12 wire coil like I have been and see what the output is at whatever rpm my motor will turn it. I will probably drop back down to the smaller MY1016, because I don't need much torque to turn this machine under full load now that I have magnetic neutralization figured out, and that motor runs on 24 volts rater than 36. Then I can start looking at how many wires I must have connected in series to achieve the -0- point where the motor neither accelerates nor slows down when the coils are under load. The more wires I can put in parallel, the more amps I get. The goal is to run the motor on one coil pair.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Greyland had the big machine putting out 315 volts per coil pair at 1.5 amps today x 4 pair.

    we will have NO POWER those two days at the house...........Even if I have to use a belt and pull setup to run it.
    Yeah now that's what I'm talkin about, let's go homie, make it stick. Geez 315v x 1.5amp is a lot of power for the HZ, let's see what is that?

    315v1.5=472 watts for 25% of coils present with the drive at

    115v X 4 amp =460watts. Maybe she ain't looped and all that (I want it running day and night), but it looks like the break even, just like you been telling me for years. You can't argue with the math. It's like telling the public there is no vote fraud (free energy) while the camera show after hours staff getting the extra thru (COP 1:1)Couldn't resist the analogy

    I'll bet that coil pair is the same coils you sent him that normally ran 1.5amp gave 460v runs cooler. It is my conjecture that the on time radically effects the over heating component of the old setup. The new rotors offer 4X the pulses at a much lower "on time", this is good. The end of these machines will be so mush improved that they will run day and night without incident.

    The guy who set up the bearing and shaft is a genius, will run day and night. Or at bare minimum a mechanical wizKID. Another hero stepped up to the plate.

    Also remember the old 5 or 6 magnet pucks offered a substantially lower frequency. Even tho most don't see anything except volts and amps, keep that in the back of your mind a moment. Let's look at the old hockey puck rotor.

    The 5 magnets would spin up at 2800 rpm so the math looks like this

    2800 X 5 = 14000 magnet poles pass eash coil core every 60 seconds or 1 minute. Now divide by 60 seconds to get our per/sec number =

    14,000 / 60sec = 230 hz or cycles per second.

    Now what about the the latest result? What is it 22 magnet pole? Yep 22 of them following the same math..

    2800 rpms X 22 poles = 61,600 magnets whipping past every core. Are we waking yet? That is a huge over all increase of flux delivered to cores. Anyone? Nobody? Where are the boys who add and subtract?

    Anyway 61,600 times a core get slammed every minute so continuing

    61,600 / 60 sec = 1025hz That bad boy is kicking some butt. This flux amount is coming from many 1" magnets breaks up into more pulses. This translates into less heat due to decreased on time. More pulses are going to help with the heat issue. Look at what I am saying and think about the number 5 vs 22. the 5 pole had 2" mags and 22 pole has 1' mags. Did you see it? That is double the flux and 4X the Hz a much more powerful machine.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-05-2020, 04:54 AM.

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  • alexelectric
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    I think Mr. Greyland does his best, but I think the initial tests with the generator should be done step by step, that is, I test a first pair of coils, it worked well, it gave me the expected results, I continue to place another pair of coil, I test these four coils, it worked well, I get the expected results, go ahead, AND IF I don't have the expected results, something is wrong, I have to check, check, change coils, adjust.

    The generator requires good adjustment, for it to function properly, and as it is an experimental test, very interesting that it has presented us with all its good details and challenges that Mr. Dave faces.

    In my generator I am about to test a pair of coils, I want to go step by step, if it works well for me, I continue with another pair of coils, and so on.

    From Mr. Dave's proposal for this prototype I have learned a lot, and it is possible to continue to improve and change configurations.

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  • Turion
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    Greyland had the big machine putting out 315 volts per coil pair at 1.5 amps today x 4 pair. One pair was only putting out 150 volts at 1.5 amps. The last pair wasn't hooked up as he is still having problems with it. He was running it with an AC motor pulling 4 amps at 115 volts. I don't know how he has the wires connected, because that's much higher volts than I would expect, but half the amps. I'm used to 1.5 amps per coil, not per coil pair. Sucks not having this thing on my bench, but I'll have the new one up soon

    He's having trouble making those coils work. Hard to use his hands, and has to deep d on. others, like his son, for help.

    The magnets will be here tomorrow. I may have all day Sunday to work on this. Don't know yet. For sure I will have all day Monday and Tuesday as we will have NO POWER those two days at the house I am remodeling. My new house is independent from the grid, so I can work on the generator here but can't run my table saw and stuff at the old house, so I have an excuse not to work over there. I should be able to get the motor connected up by then somehow. Even if I have to use a belt and pull setup to run it.
    Last edited by Turion; 12-05-2020, 02:06 AM.

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