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  • pmgriphone
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    Funny how Thane always says that there is no power in the drive shaft for a motor turning at some rpm at equilibrium. Apparently, he uses the formula P= T*omega, where T is the torque and omega is the radial frequency of the shaft. I note that this formula is correct, yet Thane says P = 0 because the torque T = 0.

    That's however in correct. He forgets that the motor needs to produce torque to overcome the friction losses. So T is not equal to zero and thus P is not equal to zero.

    And if the motor is loaded with an external load, e.g. his rotor, then T is equal to the torque required to overcome the frictions losses plus the losses introduced to turn the external load.

    So there definitely is power in the driveshaft at any point in time that the motor is rotating.

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  • BroMikey
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  • BroMikey
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    You are relying on the pablo/milk toast experiments of others while name calling as per university standards, When backed into a corner, bite and tarnish the enemy at any cost.

    Evasive tactics splitting hair over whether the max generator output is 97% or 98% anything to avoid the subject matter. The tests have been shown and the results have been in, for years. Many such inventions put out infinite efficiency.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-23-2021, 02:40 AM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    I am not talking about the political aspects of excepted norms. I talked to motor rewind shops who do 500hp units by using multiple strands wound together rather than a single conductor like 4 strands of 11awg. That is not what we are discussing. The difference is 100 ft coils used in conventional units vs 1000ft coils that delay the amperage 45 degrees away from the peak voltage

    You won't learn this from a book, you are right.

    Whatever the generating scheme you chose is irrelevant, what is important is that no unit has ever exceeded 97%
    That's BS and simply not true. Go back and look at the debunker video for equivalent monofilar coil example.

    And large generators regularly exceed 97% efficiency. You want to see some really horrid generator efficiency numbers? Do a real test on Thane's machine.
    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post


    I was chief engineer for many years with a multimillion dollar motor generator manufacturer

    Find a legitimate, respected, authority which agrees with Thane.

    There is none. Show a textbook example agreeing with Thane.

    There is none.
    I am not talking about the political aspects of excepted norms. I talked to motor rewind shops who do 500hp units by using multiple strands wound together rather than a single conductor like 4 strands of 11awg. That is not what we are discussing. The difference is 100 ft coils used in conventional units vs 1000ft coils that delay the amperage 45 degrees away from the peak voltage

    You won't learn this from a book, you are right.

    Whatever the generating scheme you chose is irrelevant, what is important is that no unit has ever exceeded 97%

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    That is not correct. Efficiency is calculated by the engineering dept, just like he says. The rotating mass is brought to speed and then tests are made. So many watts in (pick a number 100) and 90 for the output.

    This is the outdated 200 year old data.

    The new coils take no extra power on input and output is 100 plus. Efficiency infinite. Someday you will understand when you own and operate your own motor generator. You must paid to run the conventional motor to bring your generator up to operating speed. No free lunch there.

    Naturally this is always the case with generating power, so many horseys input and so much out.
    Quote from above. "Efficiency is calculated by the engineering dept, just like he says.."
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    I was chief engineer for many years with a multimillion dollar motor generator manufacturer whose responsibility included verifying efficiency to NEMA and industry standards. Efficiency is as I stated.

    Find a legitimate, respected, authority which agrees with Thane. There is none. Show a textbook example agreeing with Thane. There is none.
    Compare the "new coil" no-load with an equivalent monofilar coil no-load and it becomes obvious where "extra power on input" actually is.

    Compare "new coil" to equivalent monofilar coil under load and observe the truth.

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  • BroMikey
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    That is not correct. Efficiency is calculated by the engineering dept, just like he says. The rotating mass is brought to speed and then tests are made. So many watts in (pick a number 100) and 90 for the output.

    This is the outdated 200 year old data.

    The new coils take no extra power on input and output is 100 plus. Efficiency infinite. Someday you will understand when you own and operate your own motor generator. You must paid to run the conventional motor to bring your generator up to operating speed. No free lunch there.

    Naturally this is always the case with generating power, so many horseys input and so much out.

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  • bistander
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    Things like efficiency and battery charging are well understood and precisely defined, worldwide and proven for more than a century. Thane ignores this, uses his own definitions and is obviously an idiot.
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    The definition of efficiency that Thane states in the video in the post above is incorrect. He just made it up to support his lies. Efficiency is the rate of useful work done per total power input with zero change of the stored energy in the conversion device. Note: "total power input', not "change" of power input.
    Last edited by bistander; 12-22-2021, 07:21 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    The video is pointed at senseless thinkers who only hear what they want to hear. These systems all require coal to get them up and running. Is not perpetual motion as you twist the meaning. All normal losses in play such as bearings, converters and core losses and so on and so on.

    Others pick at Thane about taking away the cores to prove things. Thane states the obvious to the brain dead. Ignorance runs deep

    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-22-2021, 03:35 PM.

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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    that is why I posted 1 of those video' because Thane tells you what infinite efficiency means and what it does not mean. I knew you would not review the video's. Jokes on you
    No BLMer, joke is on you as I actually watched that video. He is basically making up infinite efficiency so as to dispute that his machine is a perpetual mobile. But his explanation makes no sense. In fact, he claims he can run the machine as long as he wants.

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  • BroMikey
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    that is why I posted 1 of those video' because Thane tells you what infinite efficiency means and what it does not mean. I knew you would not review the video's. Jokes on you

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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    Another false statement

    That's a true statement. Go watch his videos. You will find enough where he says "infinite efficiency". Or do I need to babysit you and quote the videos by timestamp. Thought you were a grown-up. But then they say, once you get older, you turn into a little kid again.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by pmgriphone View Post

    Talking about misinformation: Thane always talks about infinite efficiency... no need to recharge batteries... .
    Another false statement


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  • pmgriphone
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    where is your setup? Many of Thanes 10-15 tests only claim extended range. Do you have a comparable generator setup which proves Thane is lying thru his teeth, because that is what you just said. There are very few demo's with enough coils to break even and that is impossible.

    Until then we will have to wait for real proof for or against but just talking about video's out of context show a malicious intent. Pride is a big problem for guys like you with a popcorn peanut education. Yes you may heve paid alot for your schooling but no one can force another person to gulp the koolaid of misinfo. Global warming and so forth

    Am I right, you wear a mask everywhere and are worried when your vaccines are not updated? Humm? Yup I am right again and can see right thru you super hero ultra smart guys who got a diploma looks like out of a cracker jacks box. But hey, that's just me, what do you care?
    Talking about misinformation: Thane always talks about infinite efficiency... no need to recharge batteries... and his background story in most of his videos is about climate change and global warming.

    Clearly none of these are the case when you watch his videos. Who has been drinking the koolaid here then... looks like not just Thane. It appears you are in the same bed with him. Wake up Bro!

    Haha, and when it comes to my political preferences and opinion about mask/vaccine mandates, I would say it is none of your business. Haha. Now you will have to rack your brain again and figure out what that means.

    But based on the PM I sent you just recently pointing you in the direction of trying some Qigong to improve your health, you should know where I stand on those. Don't forget this virus came out of communist China where you have no freedom at all, let alone any human rights, and where your organs are harvested for profit (www.stoporganharvesting.org and www.faluninfo.net).

    Or are you going to say now that I am drinking the koolaid here as well and spreading misinformation? Clearly not having personally witnessed from closeup for almost 20 years how the communists persecute people.

    Anway Bro, just relax and take it easy.
    Last edited by pmgriphone; 12-21-2021, 03:39 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    I agree. same thing happens with a Lennox pulse furnace, efficiency goes to the 90's

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