Motor Generators

[BroMikey]

What's happening? Well let's see, young families are out shopping and planning to get home from work in time to wrap presents. Everything else will have to wait a couple of days. Be realistic. The black box is hard to repair now that it must be checked and rechecked for .001 tolerance. this takes time and great patience. One error in recut could set back it's recreation.

The way I see the box is that each half should have some sort of pilot to join them. Without that 1 degree out will change the angle of the rotor and rub.

Hi Turion,

Have you given up on the big black generator? It's been a long time and seemingly no progress. What's happening?
bi

[bistander]

Hi Turion,

Have you given up on the big black generator? It's been a long time and seemingly no progress. What's happening?
bi

[Memphis]

Turion I am fortunate to have a lot of passion, time and opportunity, having space and an equipped workshop available. I would like to try to replicate your project, (at the moment I am replicating the homopolar generator of Trombley-Adams), what kind of coils should they be?

[BroMikey]

Not a fake idiot vid

[BroMikey]

English explanation

[BroMikey]

I have never heard of your successful replication of flywheel energy. Did you get half way through the project and deem it obsolete too?

These devices are energy multipliers

[Turion]

If you all recall the video of the Thane debunker he claimed that at the speed where the Tela style coil would speed up under load it required more input to the prime mover than the single strand “standard” coil he compared it to.

There are two problems with that comparison:
1. He is not running the Tesla style coil at the “neutral” speed, but at one where it accelerates the prime mover. That is NOT the speed at which it’s output is greatest as a generator coil. You get what you pay for.

2. Had he bothered to do a little research he would have discovered that there was an RPM at which his “standard” coil also achieved the Lenz neutral condition.

After several years of testing different core materials and single strand, 3 strand and Tesla wound bifilar, 4 strand, 6 strand, 8 strand, 12 strand, 24 strand and 36 strand coils as to RPM for “neutral” condition and watts output at that RPM, we finally settled on a coil configuration and it wasn’t what I THOUGHT it was going to be.

Memphis,
That is a beautiful test bed. I can only imagine how much time, effort and $$ went into that. Back in the day I built a much more compact version. I had no room for a flywheel that large so I used two metal disks with 4” holes cut into them. In the holes were 4” diameter pieces of pipe filled with lead from old window weights, fishing lures, and whatever else I could find. Each piece of pipe was filled and then weighed. The lightest one became the standard, and all the others had some lead drilled out to match the weight. If you drill out too much you melt some more lead and fill the hole back up. Attached is a picture of a smaller version I have that goes on my generator shaft. 6FE7AF0C-13F6-4A8D-BA46-FF1A32D5A8FB.jpeg

[BroMikey]

Dave is correct 1000 feet is what it takes on his. I made an error there. Dave has 3000 ft on one spool to up the amps.

In yet another test I made with my son's slower moving rotor and smaller dia i need 1800 ft of wire to reach the null. This was a 10 magnet rotor RPM only 1400. The test used 25 strands of 73ft long each strand. Of course that is only half the RPM of Dave's 2800. I would have thought that I would need 2000ft but didn't and the hz was around 230hz and a very important fact is I used 25awg magnet wire.

The highest speed we ran with the run cap installed on a late 4 pole ac motor was 1650 RPM and the freq meter showed 275hz. At this speed the null could be reached with much less wire strands all connected in series.

Testing has not been thoroughly completed as yet. I am not competing with Dave's specifications or values but rather I offer my data of a completely different arrangement so that you may compare results. I have to say that
core to magnet gap must be 1/16th" to get best results. Larger gaps give confusing readings

Here is one video of varying speeds data collection. Dave taught me to wind coils so my first adventure would be a success.

[Turion]

If you notice, I said a six magnet rotor and 3 strands of 1,000 feet IN PARALLEL at 2800 rpm. You could have simply had ONE strand of 1000 feet in length. 3 strands in parallel doesn't affect the Lenz issue, it just gives you more amps output. The number of magnets on the rotor makes no difference in considering Lenz. It is the time it takes for a single magnet to initiate the Lenz process as it approaches the core/coil. So the variables are 1. RPM....2. core material (how fast does it accept flux) .....3. MASS of core material (because flux is spread evenly throughout) and .....4. length of the wire.

[bistander]

thank you for the advice, I could only upload a photo to show the test, I used a 1hp engine and a 2kwh generator, with a 40kg flywheel. IMG-20211216-WA0002.jpg

Nice test stand.
bi

[Memphis]

thank you for the advice, I could only upload a photo to show the test, I used a 1hp engine and a 2kwh generator, with a 40kg flywheel. IMG-20211216-WA0002.jpg

[BroMikey]

part 2 of 4 parts

[BroMikey]

In another test I ran using a 20 magnet rotor running at 3400 rpm I reached the null point using only 6 strands of 175 ft each which is only 1000 ft of wire compared to Dave's 3000 ft of wire at 2800 rpm's. But my wire was 29awg and this causes more impedance compared to a 23 awg wire. There is much to consider.

[Turion]

Memphis,

Every single generator coil that exists has a frequency (the speed at which the magnet on the rotor passes it) AT WHICH LENZ IS NEUTRAL when the coil is under load, neither slowing down the prime mover, nor speeding it up. This is a FACT. "Tesla style" coils allow this to happen at a LOWER frequency, but that is their ONLY advantage over standard coils. Take a single strand coil with, say 1,000 feet of wire on it and start spinning a rotor near it at variable speeds and you will find that speed. For my original 11" rotor with only 6 of the 2" magnets on it and a coil with three strands of 1,000 feet, all in parallel, that required rotor speed was 2800 RPM. Matt Jones did it with a MUCH smaller rotor with only (I believe 3, possibly 4....been too long) of those same 2" magnets. I don't recall the specs on his coil, nor do I believe he mentioned the RPM in his video, but I have the video somewhere. He used a 555 timer to adjust the timing of pulses to a motor turning the rotor to control the rotor RPM and found the speed where there was just the slightest bit of acceleration (of the prime mover), because the "neutral" point is where you get the most output from the coil as a generator coil. If you use a motor to turn a flywheel, which turns a rotor past THOSE kinds of coils, your results will be much different. Whatever generator you are using, or alternator, or motor as a generator, it will have a frequency at which Lenz is neutral. Up to YOU to find it. Now if only there were a way to overcome the magnetic drag.... LOL

[BroMikey]

3 new laws part 1