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  • MadMack
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    Let's get a few things straight.

    When I came back home I checked this topic to see what had been discussed and accomplished and what did I see?

    Nothing. No meaningful discussion, no experiments, nothing.

    The few people that had shown interest were off on other topics and projects. So be it. I never intended to hand over a complete working model of that particular motor, and I believe that was made clear from the start. If you were willing to experiment and do the work then I was willing to offer suggestions up to a point. Now that ship has sailed and it's not coming back.

    Cristian you know I told you in the beginning that the motor you were building was not the motor I built and I could not offer help with your design. Along with the magnetic balancing I tried to get all of you to build a simple and inexpensive test device to take measurements and experiment with. Instead, you took what little I had revealed and started building expensive motors like I had already given you everything needed. Now you have failed and you are angry so this was all a fake. The logic of that is inescapable.

    Now, as for any new motor, this is exactly what was said in my PM to Dave:
    This might be premature but you may want to hold off on more work with the magnet motor. While recuperating from surgery I had an idea for a much better, more powerful motor. I am home now and getting my workshop put back together. I have acquired most of the materials and will be testing the basic ideas very soon. If it works there will be no restrictions on this one.
    Nothing more.
    If I have anything more to say on this subject you will hear from me.

    I do not need to post anywhere through anyone. Never have and never will.

    Mack

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  • lorinrandone
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    You finished what engine? I asked you does it work?
    You need to be logical. What english are you using?

    Do you understand the question?

    I will say this one more time for Christian.

    Is you engine very bad? Sound bad?

    Talk to us.

    Do you have working engine?

    Or not working? sound bad?

    I don't understand.

    Maybe it is a secret? This is okay. Secret Christian

    magnet motor? Yes?

    This is very good, I think

    The motor is Madmack? No?

    Do a video.

    TK is always making jokes about all devices.

    TK has out smarted himself, he has nothing.

    Tk is your friend? And TK is right?

    I think you are mixed up.

    You and TK are buddies? Sorry Christian this is a
    FREE SPEECH ZONE>

    Your motor will work just fine.



    Excuse me, but I thought than you understood. NO, my model presented, not work. Sorry.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by lorinrandone View Post
    If you looked at my photos, I have finished the engine, but after a lot of money and lost time, have not done anything more.
    Good luck to all Christian.
    You finished what engine? I asked you does it work?
    You need to be logical. What english are you using?

    Do you understand the question?

    I will say this one more time for Christian.

    Is you engine very bad? Sound bad?

    Talk to us.

    Do you have working engine?

    Or not working? sound bad?

    I don't understand.

    Maybe it is a secret? This is okay. Secret Christian

    magnet motor? Yes?

    This is very good, I think

    The motor is Madmack? No?

    Do a video.

    TK is always making jokes about all devices.

    TK has out smarted himself, he has nothing.

    Tk is your friend? And TK is right?

    I think you are mixed up.

    You and TK are buddies? Sorry Christian this is a
    FREE SPEECH ZONE>

    Your motor will work just fine.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 03-08-2016, 07:56 AM.

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  • lorinrandone
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    Originally posted by Turion
    I quit working on this because Mack said he had a better, simpler design that he would be sharing. So I have no opinion on the validity of this design either way, other than to say that every single specific detail Mack stated would produce a specific effect I have proven accurate on the bench. Whether that could lead to a self runner, I cannot say.

    I HAVE come up with some ELECTRIC mo/gen design ideas that incorporate some of the principles Mack showed us. Citfta recently implemented one of the ideas BASED ON WHAT MACK SAID. It reduced his amp draw by 50%, the motor sped up, and produced more energy. SO please DO NOT discount these principles. They DO work. I am in email contact with Mack, mostly because he saw I was incorporating his ideas into electric motor design, so I do hear from him from time to time.

    Dave






    A new design?
    But the first where it is. Have been a few words and an extraordinary talent to convince people to follow their ideas, almost a year away and now comes with news (not posting as has been normal) but THROUGH Turion - David, the most respected person energetico forum . David Forgive me but this sounds very bad and not logical.

    If you looked at my photos, I have finished the engine, but after a lot of money and lost time, have not done anything more.
    Good luck to all Christian.

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  • BroMikey
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    MadMack emailed Turion said stop building he will be
    back soon to show a better design.

    Your motor is great.

    Does it work?

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  • lorinrandone
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    End

    Hi everyone
    I am cristian alba
    It has spent considerable time that this thread is dead, and I think someone needs to clarify what happened. My personal opinion is that there has never been a magnetic device running, belonging to this man MadMack, and that his idea of this motor has been proven by the until has abandoned the thread. I also think his plan was to complete the project with the forum members. Thus, it can be explained as all were true indications, as some have shown (ramps, measures, effects), except the ramp repellency by the North Pole
    it from there the he retired, leaving the participants to this project, to solve the end.
    I remember that after posting a video with some quite commonplace effects (I think thus now, after so many months of attempts) - told me: << do you expect, closes the circles >>
    then the , at that moment, it seemed to me fabulous, but now, after so long, has sounded childlike I was (as now) far from the end something that can not be terminated. I HATE to agree with Tinsel Koala but am bound
    I abandoned this motor last month, after trying all kinds and variations of ramps, rotor diameters, position, etc. I have built a model with six-pole rotor made of in a numerical milling machine. I leave some photos.
    PS. If this man feels provoked, out with his model to prove it is real, if not, stay the anonymity
    regard cristian alba
    Attached Files

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  • BroMikey
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    Hey Dave

    I am moving this post into the right thread, I didn't want to see
    those guys kill one another anyway. It really shows some
    of their hearts. I can feel the poison oozing like a bad sore.

    It was time for me to keep house again and I am looking for
    all of my scrap plastic to melt for a huge base as needed.

    I will wait for MadMacks lead of course.

    Originally posted by Turion
    I got a couple PM's from MadMack. He is out of the hospital. He said NOT to continue with the PM motor work. He has a better design he has come up with, and will be sharing soon. You might pass that along on the other thread.
    Dave



    That sounds awesome Dave, Thanks a Million. I was just about
    to drill my first few holes and my tap for SS is not here. See I
    have a nice Ultrasonic welder I am tooling up for punching plastic
    inserts into as nuts, you understand.

    I figured MACK went down a little longer than he had expected.
    Take care MACK, we all care about you.
    Things will turn out good, you will C
    Last edited by BroMikey; 02-01-2016, 07:54 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Hello MadMack Mag Motor builders

    I have been doing some chicken scratch on paper that is more
    proportionate than the old drawings. The first conceptual drawings
    would only give a slight angling adjustment. See FIG.B below.

    The new drawing is based on my 12" rotor, the bolts and washers
    made of brass are much larger than originally depicted. I am also seeing
    for the first time that it is not necessary to be able to adjust on both
    sides of the center line.

    Drawings and cut outs from paper save time and materials.
    I am slow.



    Last edited by BroMikey; 01-11-2016, 09:44 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Great going Dave

    of course you saw my parts are coming in but I don't know if
    anyone else is still waiting or planning. The last thing I heard
    MADMACK say was that we needed to make the rotor magnets
    adjustable also which means a lot more work, then it got real
    quiet.

    The other thing is that kind of blows your mind is that feeler
    gauge must be used and then at the same time we were told
    that we could build a system without a lathe but we would
    have to use rotors on many planes to do it that way.

    Then when you really do the experiments and tests like I am
    doing you find out that you need to be within 5 thousandths
    to make sense out of using a feeler gauge, so i don't know.

    Your magnets will not response the same at every station
    unless you are within a piece of paper thickness.

    I am still in for the long haul. I have been drawing and cutting
    paper temp-lets. My compass is small so I will order one, my
    router screams bloody murder on plastic and I need nicely
    arced slots so I am sure thinking.

    Been battling with Bronchial as this is my genetic weakness
    from birth. Bloodroot is saving my other end this time.

    I see you like to try them all. I like your design.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 01-08-2016, 07:09 AM.

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  • Turion
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    Just checking to see if everyone has given up on this thread???? That would be a shame. I finally got all the parts I need and have been working on some things, but I need to get my 3d printer up and running to make some of the parts I want to make. I just want to encourage those who are still working in this to talk about it and keep the thread alive.

    Idea for adjusting the magnets attached. It is very similar to something posted already, but I am always looking for ways to make things more flexible.
    Last edited by Turion; 01-15-2018, 11:03 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Dog-One View Post
    Not sure where people are at with this project, but I found a variation/twist that may give someone and idea they hadn't thought of:

    https://sites.google.com/site/ageofm...motive-tuggers

    Cheers!
    yes very good geometry I spotted the ramps right away, this is
    the same thing in some ways as the MADMACK MTR. I did some
    drawing and cutting paper modeling parts this week. This requires
    that I make a circular draft of actual size of the rotor to begin
    visualizing best possible mounts for such a wide range of adjustments.


    It really is so awesome to see stator magnets pointed in odd or opposite
    directions from attraction to repulsion, still get cancellation, if I
    only could put this into words. The words Mack said always ring clear
    when he said these adjustments are about eliminating losses as much
    as the are about increasing ramping forces in one direction.

    When you see it with your own eyes you will get it then, 100's of
    pounds of force completely cancelled to where you can push the
    rotor around with a feather and yet all that power can be redirected
    for acceleration.

    It's just getting the mounts to where you can move them accurately
    to get the first step. Still we have other steps.

    I still need to order some special drills and taps to get my inserting
    machine for plastic working better. And with no CNC I have to cut
    every arced slot by hand which maybe cut with a router if guides
    are made.

    Later I will need more mounts for forks. I want to be able to adjust
    the forks also, not only to angle them but to adjust them other ways.

    Rejoice and be glad

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  • Dog-One
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    Tuggers

    Not sure where people are at with this project, but I found a variation/twist that may give someone and idea they hadn't thought of:

    https://sites.google.com/site/ageofm...motive-tuggers

    Cheers!

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  • Turion
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    We (Matt Jones and I) recently obtained a CNC machine and a 3d printer. Both of these are at Matt's place. I recently obtained a SECOND 3d printer (the exact same one) and am currently putting it together. I have plans to purchase the same CNC machine also. That way, even though we are on opposite sides of the US, we can reproduce identical products.

    The 3d printers can take quite a while to print an object. It'snot like a copy machine.

    I may print my rotors, just because I want the slots in them, or I may just cut some the way I always have and use some other method to cut the slot. Not sure yet.

    I am using TWO rotors because I am making them out of thinner plastic and using spacers between the two rotors. I need to hold the 1" magnets between the plastic. Rotors cut out of 1" plastic are just too expensive.

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  • BroMikey
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    Yes I think you are right about the hub being okay so i probably
    won't be to concerned. Did I hear you right that you are in the process
    of doing a 3D print job on a rotor?
    I was looking at printers the other day and it said it printed 1" Square
    per 3 hours. Is that how slow these things are?

    I am also under the impression that because the material is almost
    microscopic that parts are stronger with less flaws so cracking
    or weak spots are not present. I don't know how true that is but
    it does make sense.

    I saw that post of John Bedini doing some 3D printing here lately.

    The CNC seems like it would be faster and I think the prices are
    almost the same? Or is a printer more costly? I see the laser CNC
    machines for 3-4 thousand.

    Both seem like a step in the right direction so parts can all be made
    identically. Like the window motor or SSG and now maybe the MADMACK.
    Are you saying that you are printing a MADMACK magnet motor rotor?

    Then you said multiple rotors and I couldn't help but think of how in
    some cases this might be a way to make it easier to balance the machine.
    Once a 2 pole cell is functioning good the next cell could be put on the
    second rotor and the third for a 6 pole motor.

    Is that what you were thinking?

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  • Turion
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    With a 12 inch rotor, I doubt it matters WHAT the hub is made out of, as long as it isn't too BIG. The stainless one you found would probably cause some issues if it was made out of steel for sure. With a smaller build, say four or five inches, a small hub MIGHT cause some problems. If you want to know for sure, set your magnet on a flat surface and move a very small piece of steel toward it. See how close you can get before the magnetic field attracts the steel.

    I've attached a rather crude drawing of what I am building for my rotor setup. Thanks to those who have come up with similar ideas and posted them here. I wanted to take it just a step farther. I will actually have two larger rotors with the rotor magnet BETWEEN them on a third small rotor. It gives me the thickness of rotor I want both for the "hub", (which is nothing more than a bearing pressed into each rotor with a spacer between them) and the outside edges which will be held apart by spacers, and where I want basically an "axel" to rotate my wheel containing the magnet. The "slot" in the top and bottom rotor allow me to move the "magnet wheel" in and out from center, and still gives the ability to rotate the "magnet wheel, to adjust its angle of attraction depending on the holes I have drilled around the circumference of the magnet wheel to align with the slot. As you can see from the drawing, the LARGER the magnet wheel, the more precise you can make your adjustments to angle the magnet,

    I am still working on getting my 3d printer put together to make some of the parts I need, so it will be a while, but I haven't given up on this project. It may take me a while just to get the rotors made the way I want them, although TAP plastics has them all pre cut in different sizes and thicknesses. I may just have to grit my teeth and order them and worry about the damage to my wallet later.
    Last edited by Turion; 01-15-2018, 11:03 PM.

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