Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[conandrum]

A historical account of Clarence’s replication of the B&L devices.pdf

Hi everyone - Let me start with this:

POST #1548 A pot of gold --hopefully:

THE WHOLE SOB DOES WHAT IT WAS SAID IT COULD DO!
I have Had it pulling energy from the ground up tp 9.8AMPS.
all of this while the KAW meter only shows 0.07 amps supplied from the mains and at 5.4 watts.
At first I thought it was a faulty KAW so I dug out the others and tried Four more of them - they all read the same.
I have run a floor fan, my microwave, my smart charger charging my battery banks, all at the same time - still NO CHANGE ON THE INPUT FROM THE MAINs- 0.07 amps at 5.4 watts.
I was just standing there dumbfounded.
All this time the # 12 wraps on the toroid only showed .5 amps with never changing!.

The following is a quote from a short 10 page PDF document I put together called 'A historical account of Clarence’s replication of the B&L devices.pdf'

Mains Performance:
#1549 08-07-2017, 11:34 PM - ‘18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!’
#1551 08-08-2017, 12:55 AM - ‘loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip’
#1746 10-21-2017, 10:05 PM - ‘I have put up to 37 AMP LOAD on a 20 amp wall socket for the unit I am still using DAILY. The watt reading shown on the KAW meter was ALWAYS very low. Be it Known AS LUC said that even the MINIMAL system Resistance WILL drop the system voltage as more loads are added.’

Shouldn't we all be retracing Clarence's steps from HERE?
I believe the PDF is a must for anyone looking into the Clarence replication.
Not only will it serve as a map of this whole thread, it will also allow you to see what each step made by Clarence was for and the progress made.

Judging character is not a measure of anyone's claims. This man, regardless of his ways and attitudes has labored for years towards this single goal. Even in his old age was undoubtedly a very capable man in all he did.

Clarence may have been fooled by B&L for 2 years but he was meticulous and adamant to get there. He may have done just what he set out to do in the end!
So the way I see it, the claim still stands as stated above and it is very clear to me.

Download the pdf below and let me know what you think:
Oh! and have a GREAT day!

[boguslaw]

Thank You. It's a good start. I feel it's strange after so many years nobody translated all those Brazilian patents.

[digits10]

patents

I got them from here:
Nilson BARBOSA, et al. -- Earth Energy Generator -- 4 patents

Additional test results:

From the patent, Fig. 5 #2 schematic:

gnd/captor loop voltage: 1.5v AC
ground wire: 1.6amp
captor loop: 60+ amps, my meter quits at 100, and it hit that - I only tested for a few seconds so as not to burn up the captor loop wire - it gets hot
Mains hot/neutral: 18 amps on the hot side (powering the transformers)

I have an electric drill hooked up as the load - it didn't do anything with this arrangement.

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From the patent, Fig. 5 #1 schematic:
Gnd-earth line: ~2amps
Load/output - the electric drill ran full speed
Utility hot/neutral: ~17amps (at 115v AC)
Captor/loop: 100+ amps & got hot - again only tested a few seconds
I had my volt meter connected to the hot & neutral of the load/output, and it registered around 3 volts, although the drill was running fast, so it must have been ~115volts or so AC.


I didn't try the single transformer setup in Fig. 6 yet - however, neither one of these used a "small" amount of current to power the loop.

[boguslaw]

I finally took some time to just read & think through the patents. I'm reading the translated ones. In patent ... 4042, a couple things stand out to me. First, the details of the earth ground aren't mentioned. (Identified as 5 in the drawings.) Second, in Fig. 5, there are two drawings. I can see by reviewing the 2nd one how it could appear to be a utility ground loop & the more ground rods (5) the better connection between loop (4) hot and the 3.2 negative side/neutral side. The same logic applies to Fig. 6 2nd diagram.

For the 1st drawing in each (figure 5, 6), I don't really understand why they have the 3.1 (hot) connected to the loop (4), because in those, it looks like a regular circuit since source + and source - go straight to the load. I'll test these setups and post my results. If anyone has insights, feel free. I'm sort of starting from scratch, but with a 30 ground rod field in what appears to be a high magnetic zone (depends on which satellite image I use), I figure I'll give it a shot.

From the testing I did yesterday, it's very obvious that it is super easy to fool the kill-a-watt power meters by simply not running the path to ground/neutral back through them.

Where I can find the translated patents into English ?

[digits10]

Patent review

I finally took some time to just read & think through the patents. I'm reading the translated ones. In patent ... 4042, a couple things stand out to me. First, the details of the earth ground aren't mentioned. (Identified as 5 in the drawings.) Second, in Fig. 5, there are two drawings. I can see by reviewing the 2nd one how it could appear to be a utility ground loop & the more ground rods (5) the better connection between loop (4) hot and the 3.2 negative side/neutral side. The same logic applies to Fig. 6 2nd diagram.

For the 1st drawing in each (figure 5, 6), I don't really understand why they have the 3.1 (hot) connected to the loop (4), because in those, it looks like a regular circuit since source + and source - go straight to the load. I'll test these setups and post my results. If anyone has insights, feel free. I'm sort of starting from scratch, but with a 30 ground rod field in what appears to be a high magnetic zone (depends on which satellite image I use), I figure I'll give it a shot.

From the testing I did yesterday, it's very obvious that it is super easy to fool the kill-a-watt power meters by simply not running the path to ground/neutral back through them.

[roby_035]

Clarence

CLARENCE Rest in peace, we will follow your steps, here on earth and we will get the best out of it
ROBY

[med.3012]

Clarence is a good man , may God bless his soul .

peace be upon you .

regards

[fer123]

Ispire me

Rest in peace our friend, you have inspire many to keep going.

[RAMSET]

a sincere man trying to make a difference.

I only spoke with Clarence a few times several years back

he was quite passionate and sincere and willing to look outside the box to make the world a better place.


we need more like Clarence,he did inspire .

May his life's example and his legacy bear fruit .

respectfully

Chet K

[digits10]

More than 20 amp thoughts ?

Question -

Clarence reported he was able to run more than 20 amps on his AC unit on a 20 amp breaker. Even if it was a ground loop, the breaker should have tripped, right? It's easy enough to fool a meter, but if he had 25amp at 120v on his utility hot going to his load then to ground, it should have tripped his breaker, right? Any ideas on this?

[roby_035]

Clarence

Wantomake
I understand from your words that Clarence left before we did
I'm very sorry for your departure
Robert

[wantomake]

Language barrier

Wantomake
Entiendo por tus palabras que Clarence ya se marcho antes que nosotros
Lamento mucho su partida
Roberto

Sorry but English please. I speak Japanese but no Spanish.

wantomake

[roby_035]

Clarence

Wantomake
Entiendo por tus palabras que Clarence ya se marcho antes que nosotros
Lamento mucho su partida
Roberto

[wantomake]

With all respect

Digits10,
I speak only for my short comings and lack of knowledge with this setup.

I had limited success with this build. Could never understood "how" the unit was supposed to extract energy from the ground. I had the loop wire, which you don't have pictured, looped through the toroid. It had 70+ amps on it that I couldn't use.

Clarence said that his unit worked and powered an inverter without much input from the grid.

I believe what he said and miss his fun times e-mails. Many here dogged him and me for "misleading" others. I hope you success if you go further. I cannot help you. Sorry but that's all I know.

We all take chances here in this FE life. I moved on to the 3BGS.

Rest in peace Clarence,
wantomake

[digits10]

Test #1

I finally got around to hooking up my setup. I have ~30 ground rods connected per Clarence's advice. The tests I just ran are based on the design he shows in this image.

I put the kill-a-watt meter on the A/C input side, and my amp meter on the ground wire. I had a 300 watt A/C load on the output. When running the load, the KAW never changed - it stayed at like 3 watts, while the ground line amp meter showed 3-4 amps. HOWEVER, when I moved the amp meter to the incoming A/C line, it showed the same 3-4 amps. I also disconnected the toroid to see if there was any difference. With this layout in the attached photo, there was no change if it was connected or disconnected.

Also, I used a power backup (120v APC UPS) to see what would happen if I connected the setup to it as the power source (off-grid). I got the same behavior. HOWEVER, the 3-4 amp still showed on the ground line, even when only on the power backup. I'm no expect, but I would have assumed that it would need to loop back to the APC unit. One flaw in my test is that I was using a surge strip to turn on/off power to the APC unit. I should have physically disconnected since the building ground would have still been connected.

Regardless, this setup does fool the KAW (not sure why), but an amp meter shows current flowing through the same A/C source line. Basically utility hot to physical ground and the KAW can't see it.

I don't think this is the same result as Clarence since at least in my understanding, such a setup would still trip a breaker if amperage is exceeded.