Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[BroMikey]

blindly believed Clarence's inferences that this setup was pulling energy from the ground. BroMikey, spent a lot of time
trying to bury and discredit statements made in this thread from people who actually knew what they were talking about

Hi level, bored?

[level]

Hi, I replicated Barbosa's device via Clarence's scheme, Patrick kelly, and others found on the net. The conclusion in my case was that the device does not pick up electrons from the earth, but only deceives the meter. The flow of electrons always comes from the phase of the main line, but the classic energy meters cannot measure it using the external earth cable instead of the line neutral. The main problem is that the new consumption meters, and the new generation of meters are not fooled because they work precisely by loading on the phase. If any of you want to add something or make corrections, you are welcome.

I had already pointed this out many times in this thread. I also pointed out to Clarence several times that if he just made a few
proper measurements, Clarence would have quickly realized that fact very early on. Clarence made it very clear
that he wasn't interested in the facts of the matter, however. I think he liked all the attention he was getting from people who
blindly believed Clarence's inferences that this setup was pulling energy from the ground. BroMikey, spent a lot of time
trying to bury and discredit statements made in this thread from people who actually knew what they were talking about who were
pointing out that all the power was coming from the mains hot phase wire and returning back to the mains through
the earth loop. I had also exchanged some emails with Barbosa and Leal, and was informed by one of them that they had stopped all work
on this device due to 'technical reasons', but it was clear to me that they had come to the realization years ago that this device is not a free
energy device, but were probably too embarrassed to come right out and admit that publicly. Sadly, there are a lot of very deluded and dishonest people
in this area of research. Mountains of nonsense out there. Trying to find the real deal, if it is out there anywhere, is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

[Memphis]

Hi, I replicated Barbosa's device via Clarence's scheme, Patrick kelly, and others found on the net. The conclusion in my case was that the device does not pick up electrons from the earth, but only deceives the meter. The flow of electrons always comes from the phase of the main line, but the classic energy meters cannot measure it using the external earth cable instead of the line neutral. The main problem is that the new consumption meters, and the new generation of meters are not fooled because they work precisely by loading on the phase. If any of you want to add something or make corrections, you are welcome.

[Memphis]

Hi BroMikey, it's a pleasure to hear from you, I have read many of your posts and I know that you are a very prepared and respectful person. I know about Clarence, and I'm very sorry I didn't know the site before, I spent time on another site like that (Evgray) to try to replicate other equipment .... with poor results. I'm looking for a way to lower the cost of electric bills.

[BroMikey]

Clarence passed on a while back. His real name was Mike Finn

[Memphis]

Ciao, mi sono appena registrato e vorrei replicare il dispositivo. Lo sto studiando da mesi e ora sto fornendo ciò che è necessario per farlo. C'è qualcuno oltre al povero Clarence che è riuscito a farlo funzionare dalla rete?

[FRANKLIN]

Somebody has more comments about this device?

[FRANKLIN]

Wantomake,

Early this AM (bout 2 AM) I simply unplugged my system from the AC wall plug
and plugged it into my inverter (3000 watt aims)- Its Smart charger was already connected to the battery/capacitor bank so i plugged it in as a load
on the setup.
Turned the inverter on and it started same as it did on AC. It keeps the battery level constant and runs light loads. It's been running for nine hours now so I'll just let it continue.

The limiting factor for loads is the Factory Built Amperage internal capability of of the inverter itself. AN inverter with internal design capability of 10 amps max won't handle but slightly less than that. Even tho its possible to pull large amp loads through the ground the inverter limit stops that from happening.

When you get yours going you can work all that out for your self as your needs see fit..

Hope every thing is coming along good.

Clarence

Clarence said it was possible to use an inverter.
what do you think also here

[FRANKLIN]

Hi wantomake,
Yes, the GDT is there, now shown clearer in the 6 photos I just uploaded.
The design is basically what Clarence showed back on Post #1570 and 1581 (thanks again Clarence!)

Its really a very simple device, compared to what I have been working on for the last several decades. That is what got me so interested in the first place.

When the local utility turned off the power for 13 hrs and 1500 homes were in the dark until midnight. The next day I went searching this forum last August 23rd. I discovered Clarence found the solution to tapping the unlimited electricity in the Earth on August 8th! The coincidence of needing a solution to local utility outages due to the 90 year old electrical grid needing maintenance, and finding Clarence's solution was unbelievable!

After viewing Clarence photos and ordering the parts, it was a snap to put together.

- Next step was the connection to the Earth ground to the device. See upper left corner of photos with #6 awg wiring to terminal block. Already had existing 8 ft ground rod (earlier project) so tapped into that. Turned it on and it worked to light up a 68 watt light bulb with 4 watts input!

That one ground rod was not enough to power larger loads though. So off to find existing grounded sources, as I do not have time to driving 26 rods into the Earth just yet.

- Next, tapped to existing buried steel posts structure and lawn water pipe system and bingo, got really good results.

Let me know where you are having trouble and maybe I can help.
Cheers

HI

what I see here in this description. this is a succesful replication from Vrand. I think we should try to replicate it in this way
what do you think

[conandrum]

Let's compare 2 quotes:

#1 VRAND #1708 10-11-2017, 10:05 AM

Current setup for 120 Vac. using 5 watts input from utility, (0.04 amps) and getting 2000 watts output, (24.5 amps) from the device, then the input plug circuit breaker trips open. To go over +20 amps output will need a higher rated circuit breaker.

What this tells me simply is that the a ground loop was formed, the earth acted as a neutral wire back to the utility neutral/ground and the circuit was completed. The KWM was fooled, but the 20A breaker was not fooled.

#2 CLARENCE #1746 10-21-2017, 10:05 PM

I have put up to 37 AMP LOAD on a 20 amp wall
socket for the unit I am still using DAILY. The watt reading shown on the KAW meter
was ALWAYS very low.

VRAND says the breaker trips. Clarence says, breaker will not trip!
Clarence though never said anything more to clarify what load this was and how it was calculated/measured.

To Clarence's defense, this was not his first rodeo on maximizing the loads:

#1549 08-07-2017, 11:34 PM - ‘18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!’
#1551 08-08-2017, 12:55 AM - ‘loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a
wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip’
#1559 08-08-2017, 06:41 AM 'this thing will blow your mind away! I had even considered going to my sons shop and dragging his small AC welder over to my house and adding it to the loads I was running. I wanted to get to 30 amps or more to push the limit but I only reached 26 + amps from the Ground.'

What is going on here?

The only thing that Clarence had, that noone else had were the 60 grounding rods.

#1584 08-09-2017, 06:37 PM
My ground grid is only 4 grounding rods which I'm hoping is the problem. In the past(as a test) I've used 14" galvanised nails to add to the grid (with alligator leads) to see if energy increases with more rods. Well it does add more energy as I added more nails.
So my ole friend help me out here. Should I add more grounding rods to my grid? That's the only difference in our setups. I remember you had 60 or so rods. Are you using that many now?

#1585 08-09-2017, 08:20 PM
Yes, that probably is the problem ole friend. After all this is an energy from the ground devise.
Also, I am using the 60 ground rods.
Here is an important note for all members , ... Barbosa and Cleriston Leal ... about the ground rods ... answered by sayingthe the minimum shoudbe somewhere around 26 rods

What is certain is that Clarence was using 60 rods although they may not all be necessary in other regions, because his ground was kind of a swamp area.
Is this it? Is this why he was seeing more amps (37A) than the 20A coming through his breaker? Is this why his breaker wasn't tripping?

That is almost 2x the power, even though it did involve a fool the meter routine and I think he knew this but could not avoid it as can be deduced from the following:

#1570 08-08-2017, 06:43 PM
First, it is an (Almost) exact duplicate of Ariovaldo's schematic. I even followed the color code on the wires as close as possible.
Second, most people would just say that's only a damn ground loop to avoid the meter. In a way it is and in a way it ISN"T.
...Any way, each member can look at it the way they want and make their own decision.

Clarence in #1491 07-25-2017, 11:33 AM called the Ariovaldo schematic 'Basically a Fool the Meter layout'. Here in #1570, he is calling his new setup with dual toroids an exact DUPLICATE ALMOST!
He basically admits that it does involve a 'fool the meter routine', but he sees a PLUS in the whole affair.

Then he comes out with something like this:

#1610 08-10-2017, 11:07 PM
Yeah, the only thing the Utility grid powers is the Two toroids, and that only amounts to .07 Amps. Every thing else does come from the ground.
#1728 10-20-2017, 04:25 AM
The load Amperage comes via ground - It is NOT provided by the
HOT connection through the 20 amp rated wall socket - that is why
HIGH AMP loads can be achieved WITHOUT going through the Mains
METER.

The above statements may not be 100% correct, and it may have been the way HE looked at it.
On the other hand, could it be that power was flowing IN REVERSE, from the ground into the circuit?

There may be a lot of truth in his statements, but one would need to start with the 26 ground rods FIRST, before one can find out.

I hope this will be a true help to someone. I certainly do not have the ground space for something like this, but many of you may do.
So good luck and please let me know your findings.

[conandrum]

Dear All,

The mystery with Clarence's build boils down ALSO to the following 2 schematics.

Clarence B&L Schematic #1491 - Ariovaldo - Fool the meter layout
vs
Clarence B&L Latest Schematics 4of4 #1788 - sch2

Why did Clarence call the first one as clearly being a 'Fool the meter layout', but with the second one he was adamant that it was NOT?
What's up with that? Was he trying to get US to waste our time? Was he pure and simple a malicious deceiver?


PS. If any veteran here wants to point out corrections or omissions please do so.

[conandrum]

Dear All,

The mystery with Clarence's build boils down to the following 2 schematics.

(single toroid with Beefier Cables - Last public photo)
Clarence B&L Latest Schematics 4of4 #1788 - sch1
Clarence B&L Latest Schematics 4of4 #1788 - sch2


This should help any newcomers get straight down to business.


PS. If any veteran here wants to point out corrections or omissions please do so.

[conandrum]

Dear All,

My modest contribution to this thread continues with the following schematics of the latest 2 builds and their minor modifications by Clarence.

Clarence B&L Latest Schematics 1of4 #1570
Clarence B&L Latest Schematics 2of4 #1581 (slight improvement)
Clarence B&L Latest Schematics 3of4 #1728 (Beefier Cables)
Clarence B&L Latest Schematics 4of4 #1788 (single toroid - Last public photo)

This should help any newcomers get straight down to business.


PS. If any veteran here wants to point out corrections or omissions please do so.

[conandrum]

I realised

Hi Wantomake,

I realized it.
I spent the better part of this summer (24/7) reading DS and B&L threads here and at OU, so I became very familiar with his posts, his work and personality, but I never had any other contact with him obviously.

I would love for everyone that had any sort of success with his replication to come forward and post as much as they can with photos or any thing that might help newcomers!
I feel that new blood should pick up where he left off.
I feel that the smoke has to be cleared completely.
As Clarence said... time should NOT be wasted
...so please help others pick up and not waste their time in the maze.

I hope that my previous post will serve as a Clarence Episode II.

My condolences to all who knew him and to his family.
He certainly was a special kind of person.

[wantomake]

Highest respect

I understand what you are saying and respect that.

You do know that Clarence passed away not long ago. I got an email from his family.

He was my coffee sipping long distance friend. I do miss his input here.

Highest respect Clarence ol friend,
wantomake