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  • wantomake
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    Thanks Clarence and Bromikey,
    That's good information. I did try the Lorrie Matchett idea with only the mains hot side and a good earth ground, was surprised to light 70 watt bulb to half power. This seems there is good chance of getting good earth return here. Closest substation is several miles and here is all country. I get your point and all should know this.

    Shylo,
    Will test some more today. There is nothing test worthy to post yet. But it proves TO ME that there's more to this. I can't afford the same setup as B and L also. Hitby was testing with the Kurt Oscillator on the Gerard Morin thread and got some results. I just wound (tightly) six feet of #4 awg around two car coils (no internal resistor) and connected the high side(12k) in parallel like Clarence posted in his hand drawn schematic. Added so far only 2 x 8' rods about 20 ft from a 10' ground copper pipe. Each week will add to the grid as money allows.

    wantomake
    PS: There's no mains power to my shop.

    Last edited by wantomake; 04-27-2015, 12:14 PM.

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  • shylo
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    Hi WTM, Could you please give some details on your small grid set-up , and how you used the car coils? It would be much appreciated.
    I can't afford to replicate Clarences', but would like to exp. with smaller set-up.
    Thanks artv

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  • BroMikey
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    Yes you are quite right Sir about the trolls. Pawns who can't change their flat tire of disbelief. It has been that way from the start so,
    "check mate".

    Then we have wantomake awesome dude
    Quite the commendable entry using your existing
    setup. If we keep stirring this pot the entire world
    of inventor/wild cards might just get what they came for.

    I know people are asking you to produce all of the results over night
    plus diagrams and so, but don't let them rush you.

    It's guys like you who keep the rest of us on the edge of our seats.



    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Bromikey,
    The tptb attacks when you are on to something. It's the same pattern on each thread that gets close to a device or idea that could help us. Those that really are wanting to replicate this will ask questions and then start replicating. But those that tear down never will help or replicate. They boast of their intelligence but show no kindness. Show your kindness and love for this endeavor, then you are intelligent.

    Clarence,
    I have my shop running on solar. So I setup a temporary test through the inverter with a small input and output ground grid. Have a smart charger connected to the captor wound around two car coils with the four cfl(4 foot) lights on over my work bench. Very surprised to see it produce enough to power the smart charger and keep the lights on. Will run it for some time and just learn. Why? Because that's the love for this endeavor!!!

    Thanks and stay the course,
    wantomake
    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-27-2015, 06:35 AM.

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Bromikey,
    The tptb attacks when you are on to something. It's the same pattern on each thread that gets close to a device or idea that could help us. Those that really are wanting to replicate this will ask questions and then start replicating. But those that tear down never will help or replicate. They boast of their intelligence but show no kindness. Show your kindness and love for this endeavor, then you are intelligent.

    Clarence,
    I have my shop running on solar. So I setup a temporary test through the inverter with a small input and output ground grid. Have a smart charger connected to the captor wound around two car coils with the four cfl(4 foot) lights on over my work bench. Very surprised to see it produce enough to power the smart charger and keep the lights on. Will run it for some time and just learn. Why? Because that's the love for this endeavor!!!

    Thanks and stay the course,
    wantomake
    hello wantomake,

    a pleasure again to speak to you sir.
    just for information sake, I had spent the last week or so going back through some of my private B&L data which is pretty vast long story short!

    I had noticed in B&L s testing and diagrams of the particular units in the test modes that there Never was described nor indicated a GROUND INPUT!
    their two test modes were 50% MAINS and 50% BATT/INVERTER!

    I thought it over for awhile and it came to me that with repect to the vmains system there WAS a GROUND INPUT! how ever it was not AT THE SITE WHERE THE GROUND RETURN system was located! it was AT THE CLOSEST SUB STATION.
    evidently the distance away prevented it from interfering with the Captors ability to harvest ALL the modes of earth GROUND energy at the site and it did just that. their results proved it. so just recently I decided to test my unit again on mains. THIS TIME I disconnected my neutral to ground input wire and just set it aside. the reason being my MAINS ground rod was 40 + ft away and the mains substation Grounding about 8 miles away. so I perceived the ground input wolud only send mains power direct to the return grid and prevent the earth harvesting the Captor wanted to do.

    so when i powered the unit up with just mains (no charger/batt/inverter)
    and ran some of my household devices this time their performance was WAY better. I won't get into the measuremantalist of it or the test-icles of it as that would only start more pigeon drops.

    the gist of it all I believe is to see what effect the inverter input to ground spacing or location has with regards to the Captor to ground return location
    by moving it around how ever you can.

    all assuming I had read your post correctly sir.
    Just thoughts and appreciate your info also.

    thanks,

    Clarenbce

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by a.king21 View Post
    The C20 rate only applies if you are loading the battery on it's own.
    If the battery is being charged then this no longer applies. That's why you can run hundreds of watts off your car battery whilst driving and your alternator is charging the battery at the same time

    Yes this is so true and just what the captor to smart charger is doing, however when any math equation work in accomplished the joule count must be done for each function of the system.

    What we see is that this type of battery functions more like a capacitor passing and absorbing energy quicker than other types of deep cycle batteries.

    Of course idling current is far lower at the toroids, than when they are loaded so all conditions and processes of system operation must be figured in at some point.

    Since the battery need not be replaced every 2 weeks we know that the condition of the battery with it's C20 rate is in line with the manufacturer.

    Whatever the battery delivers is replaced and so one down the line.

    That Captor system has got me dreaming again.

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  • Minsky
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    Okay continuing in the vane of rational thought, working from the premise that energy indeed can be extracted in the form of electrons from the earth.

    Energy from the ground.

    In this discussion I would like to focus on the battery.

    Many chargers give a 20-30 max amp at the beginning of a batteries normal charge cycle and will quickly taper off in a matter of minutes. It is not uncommon to see a 20 amp delivery for 30 minutes then each minute after
    see a drop til 5-7 amps is reached during the course of an hour. This statement is based of a new batteries response.

    The reason I am stirring up myself on this subject is the fact that Clarence has a charger running at near max, all of the time the system is on. This is important to look at.

    When you look at battery type enough, you will see that this battery that Clarence has chosen can except a charge rapidly at the same time offering a charge up.

    Other batteries may not operate this way. This battery is acting more like a capacitor in that sense, where it quickly absorbs and continues to supply energy freely.

    14volts at 25amps = 350 watts of charging power and probably is running the two Toroid's with a small amount left over to feed raw 120vac into the 4 sending ground rods.

    The toroid's are 300va each and 21awg wire is good for about 1.25-1.5amps at 120vac multiply that by 2 toroids. So 1.3amp X 120v = 156 watts X 2 toroids = 312watts







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    @BroMikey,
    This is the kind of solid baseline analysis which makes it worthwhile to follow this discussion.

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  • a.king21
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    Wantomake: Very interesting part replication. Could you post a schematic of your design please.

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  • a.king21
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    C20

    The C20 rate only applies if you are loading the battery on it's own.
    If the battery is being charged then this no longer applies. That's why you can run hundreds of watts off your car battery whilst driving and your alternator is charging the battery at the same time

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  • wantomake
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    tptb still here?

    Bromikey,
    The tptb attacks when you are on to something. It's the same pattern on each thread that gets close to a device or idea that could help us. Those that really are wanting to replicate this will ask questions and then start replicating. But those that tear down never will help or replicate. They boast of their intelligence but show no kindness. Show your kindness and love for this endeavor, then you are intelligent.

    Clarence,
    I have my shop running on solar. So I setup a temporary test through the inverter with a small input and output ground grid. Have a smart charger connected to the captor wound around two car coils with the four cfl(4 foot) lights on over my work bench. Very surprised to see it produce enough to power the smart charger and keep the lights on. Will run it for some time and just learn. Why? Because that's the love for this endeavor!!!

    Thanks and stay the course,
    wantomake

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by clarence
    BroMikey,

    when you get a chance shoot me a PM.

    Hang Tight Bro.!

    Clarence
    Okay Clarence will do.

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  • BroMikey
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    @All replicators

    I will be running some joule counts in the future. Like this 1.67amps X 120vac X 3600seconds/hr = 721,440 joules needed to run Clarence refrigerator every hour. Then how much does the inverter battery and charger use to do this.

    What each of us must remember is that if Clarence wants to maintain a good battery he can only pull off a steady C20 rate of no more than 2 amps with his charger recovering 300 watts providing the additional amps to inverter.
    @all Replicators



    The battery joule count delivery looks like this.

    13v X 2amps =26 watt X 3600 = 93,600 joules per hour

    while the charger is providing MAX (If it does in fact MAX)

    13v X 20amps = 260 watts X 3600 seconds per hour = 936,000 joules per hour.

    Joule counts for lights and the Microwave have not yet been added.

    This is an investigation into electron captor from the earth, but the replication is cut and dry, so this way it is a win win formula for all.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-27-2015, 03:42 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    @All

    It is not wrong to expect that a 20amp charger be used at a normal level during maximum output by the inverter. This would still put the system inverter as only using up as much as a battery charger could replace or the bigger charger of 40amps would have been selected.

    Just common sense reasoning by all of those skilled in the art of electronic
    math calculations.

    The battery powering an inverter powering a microwave oven on low works like this. The power levels go down as far as 20 percent and so this means
    that the megaton is engaged only periodically. Say 4 times a minute the megatron will demand the same 100 amps from the battery each time it turns on. Then a rest period and then several seconds later the 100 amps is demanded again.

    This will cause the grounding rod system to collect this extra 1000watts. But what is not yet known is, if a larger battery charger might allow for a greater recirculation of energy.

    Each time a 1000 watt device is added a small portion of that 1000watts must be provided by the inverter system to ground rods, then transferring through the ground rod collector to power the load.

    Each build will be slightly different than the next depending on possible variations such as location, product types and so forth.

    I do not know what the value is by proportion but the requirement is to send a small amount down the holes to stimulate the cultivation of electron collection. So some proportion of so much in to get so much out must exist.

    I have posted proper battery charging and demand practices. based on the right ways shown we can calculate better larger charging techniques with money as no object in the build.

    This is why we hear Clarence comment that it is unimportant as to which way he charges his battery. This statement presupposes that the replicators have enough practical common knowledge to realize that the battery voltage degrades every so slightly over a period of many hours and is not the sole source of energy to run loads.

    Loads that would not only exhaust the batteries joule count in a few minutes but at those demand rates would smoke the lead plates.

    It is very important to follow John Bedini and his work with batteries, that many people have considered to be a waste of time.

    If we were to build a captor system to provide 50,000 watts the small 20 amp charger would need to be replaced and the battery pack larger.

    This small system should be great to find out many things.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-27-2015, 03:38 AM.

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  • level
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    Originally posted by citfta View Post
    Well now this is interesting. Look at the following quote from a post by Bro. Mikey:

    quote;The reason I am stirring up myself on this subject is the fact that Clarence has a charger running at near max, all of the time the system is on. This is important to look at. end quote.

    I only have a couple of comments to make about this. First where did Bro. Mikey get this information? I may have missed it but I have not seen Clarence admit anything about how much current his charger is putting into the battery other than to admit he has to run it off the mains from time to time.
    Hi citfta. I did not see Clarence say anything about his charger running at near max. I don't know where BroMikey got that from. A lot of what BroMikey says here is plainly wrong, or very questionable. He also went on about how a battery and inverter can't power a microwave, but Clarence has said previously he was powering his device from the mains when he connected it to his microwave.
    Last edited by level; 04-27-2015, 02:36 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by citfta View Post
    Well now this is interesting. Look at the following quote from a post by Bro. Mikey:
    quote;
    The reason I am stirring up myself on this subject is the fact that Clarence has a charger running at near max, all of the time the system is on. This is important to look at. end quote.

    I only have a couple of comments to make about this. First where did Bro. Mikey get this information? I may have missed it but I have not seen Clarence admit anything about how much current his charger is putting into the battery other than to admit he has to run it off the mains from time to time.

    Now if what Bro. Mikey has posted is correct then that certainly adds quite a bit to the evidence that seems to show the inverter is actually powering the circuit and loads and not the ground rods. Yes, I know the load is connected to the ground rods but it certainly appears the inverter is putting the power into the ground which is then carried by the ground connection to the other rods.

    Carroll


    Glad to see you back hitting hard.

    On those smart chargers there is a LED light that lights up when the full loaded condition is engaged. A standard small version charger targets 20 amps plus continuous and max 30amp intermittent.

    The circulation of energy sent into the ground and then back up the holes to the load first is the charger. This initiates the process.

    Now where do I get all of this?It just falls from the sky for me.

    I have been visualizing the 8 foot rods as if I were underground looking at them. 8' sending rod with 12 others all 3' away from the sending rod and themselves. This is alot of potential surface area connection to earth that is full of iron, potassium, magnesium, and all other trace metal/minerals.

    Cooper rods in granite like a battery uses metals and mineral compounds to facilitate the flow of electrons.

    Electrons will love this system. Send a few down the hole setting up more or less a static field and as the system is called upon not only will the electrons you sent down the hole come back, but more will piggy back from these processes.

    One other correction. I don't think that the toroids take as much power as I had shown for their max. Maybe 100 watts a piece is more like it.

    This leaves 100 watts being send down the 4 sending rods to stimulate
    captor.

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  • citfta
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    Well now this is interesting. Look at the following quote from a post by Bro. Mikey:
    quote;
    The reason I am stirring up myself on this subject is the fact that Clarence has a charger running at near max, all of the time the system is on. This is important to look at. end quote.

    I only have a couple of comments to make about this. First where did Bro. Mikey get this information? I may have missed it but I have not seen Clarence admit anything about how much current his charger is putting into the battery other than to admit he has to run it off the mains from time to time.

    Now if what Bro. Mikey has posted is correct then that certainly adds quite a bit to the evidence that seems to show the inverter is actually powering the circuit and loads and not the ground rods. Yes, I know the load is connected to the ground rods but it certainly appears the inverter is putting the power into the ground which is then carried by the ground connection to the other rods.

    Carroll

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