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  • a.king21
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    I spent two weeks trying to replicate the original patent using two independent earth rods and got nowhere just as Level. It seems that Clarence has taken the idea into a new area not foreseen by Barbosa Leal.
    I also would like more details of Wantomake's experiments, so I can replicate them.
    Last edited by a.king21; 04-29-2015, 12:35 AM. Reason: spelling

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  • level
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    Again you don't seem to understand Level. All house pipes must be connected to the power company grid to ensure the safety of the home owners. Connecting a single transformer to a grid ground does not constitute
    a perfect Barbosa Leal patent connection diagram.

    At least I thought a grid house pipe would cause troubles. I guess both ways might be possible using separate grounding from the grid and power company grounding, Maybe?

    But in our replication we do not recommend hooking up to the grid.

    However maybe a copper pipe is in a barn where no electrical grounding
    is present? But if electricity is there in that building it is probably grounded to the grid.

    Also two captor current transformers must be in play and connected the
    correct way to cancel the Lenz effect. Anything short of this is nothing
    more than powering a device through a resistor.
    You are a funny guy BroMikey. I understand well enough what I am doing here. I was powering from a battery and inverter so there really shouldn't be any significant interaction with the mains. I know that is not the best earth ground, but I was just using it just for this test. The fact that I was measuring 35VAC between the secondary loop (which was connected to the inverter hot) and earth ground was interesting. I measured around 14VAC between the secondary loop and earth ground with the inverter hot not connected to the secondary loop. There doesn't seem to be any available power associated with those voltages however. Maybe with a really good earth ground there might be more power available, but I think more likely not. If I get the chance to test with a better ground setup sometime I will test it again.

    BroMikey, as I explained, the single transformer setup I tried is exactly out of Barbosa and Leal's patent docs. Your statement about only using two transformers is contrary to Barbosa and Leal's patent docs.


    Last edited by level; 04-28-2015, 11:23 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by level View Post
    @All:
    Just tried an experiment with Barbosa and Leal's single transformer captor arrangement, exactly as shown in their patent docs.

    My earth ground wire goes to a copper water pipe which runs under ground about 6 feet below the ground surface outside the house. It forms a pretty good earth ground.

    but I could not draw any power off it. When I connected a 35 Watt light bulb across these two connection points the voltage went to zero.

    Again you don't seem to understand Level. All house pipes must be connected to the power company grid to ensure the safety of the home owners. Connecting a single transformer to a grid ground does not constitute
    a perfect Barbosa Leal patent connection diagram.

    At least I thought a grid house pipe would cause troubles. I guess both ways might be possible using separate grounding from the grid and power company grounding, Maybe?

    But in our replication we do not recommend hooking up to the grid.

    However maybe a copper pipe is in a barn where no electrical grounding
    is present? But if electricity is there in that building it is probably grounded to the grid.

    Also two captor current transformers must be in play and connected the
    correct way to cancel the Lenz effect. Anything short of this is nothing
    more than powering a device through a resistor.

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  • PolandKapa
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    Clarence: Could you answer my questions in a private message?
    The answer may be here, in the subject.

    ALL: Maybe a better idea would be to add rods of different metals.
    http://www.npfasteners.com/pdfs/galv...sion-chart.pdf

    I wonder whether the use crystal battery cell with capacitors, and closing the circuit on a stronger charging system ?

    sorry for my bad english

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  • level
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    Test of Barbosa and Leal single transformer captor arrangement from their patents

    @All:
    Just tried an experiment with Barbosa and Leal's single transformer captor arrangement, exactly as shown in their patent docs. I powered with a battery and inverter to eliminate ground loop issues. The power draw for the transformer with no load connected is 20 Watts, and the secondary loop current measured as 73 Amps. I had my earth ground wire wrapped perpendicularly around the secondary loop wire about 4 turns. The hot phase wire from the inverter was connected to the secondary loop, which is one of the connection configurations Barbosa and Leal show in the patent doc. I basically had everything hooked up exactly as shown for one of their possible single transformer configurations in Barbosa and Leal's patent doc. My earth ground wire goes to a copper water pipe which runs under ground about 6 feet below the ground surface outside the house. It forms a pretty good earth ground.

    My intention was to see if using the earth ground wire wrapped around the captor secondary wire would have any noticeable difference at all. Barbosa and Leal apparently specified that you need a whole extensive ground rod array, but in this test I just wanted to check if the earth ground wire wrapped around the secondary loop wire would have any noticeable effect.

    I connected a 100 Watt light bulb between the secondary loop wire, which is connected directly to the inverter hot wire, and the inverter neutral. The inverter output power went up from 20 Watts to about 117 Watts. I could not measure or see any difference at all whether I had the earth ground wire connected or not. It seems to do absolutely nothing, which when wired in the way it is shown in the patent doc it is not really surprising that it has no effect.
    So when everything was connected exactly as Barbosa and Leal showed as one possible configuration in their patent diagram, it just doesn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary.

    Even though I don't have an extensive earth ground rod array, my earth ground is still pretty good, so if earth ground really does anything in this sort of wiring configuration you would think that there would be at least some noticeable difference between when the earth ground wire is connected and when it is not connected. I saw no difference at all in my test setup. The secondary loop current went up by maybe a half an Amp when I connected in the 100W light bulb, but did not change at all when the earth ground wire was connected or disconnected.

    If I get the chance I may test the same setup with Clarence's method of having the inverter neutral go to one earth ground and the load connected to another separate earth ground, separated by some distance, forming an earth ground return path between the load and the inverter neutral.

    I also tried measuring the voltage between the secondary winding, which was connected to the inverter hot, and my earth ground wire, and the voltage measured about 35 VAC, but I could not draw any power off it. When I connected a 35 Watt light bulb across these two connection points the voltage went to zero.
    Last edited by level; 04-05-2016, 11:09 PM.

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  • wantomake
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    We just starting I hope

    Thanks Clarence and Mikey,
    Let's not be handing out Science Fair awards just yet.

    I'm only trying to learn and find "cheaper" means to build this. I hope Shylo can use some of the info from my poor man's setup.

    I just wrapped tightly the #4 awg around the two coils tie wraps. Not sure of direction coils are wound inside the can. So just did simple winding for test purposes. From those eariler Kurt Oscillator builds I saw high voltage from the can of the coils. Hitby tried the earth experiments and posted a YouTube video. That's why I thought to test this way. Very surprised to see voltage on the captor loop.

    Will post pictures if today's test shows increase in return. Buying more 8' rods to drive in the middle of the input grid.

    wantomake

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  • Minsky
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    Originally posted by citfta View Post
    This is the drawing I was referring to. In it you can plainly see one end of the captor is connected to the ground rods and the other end is connected to the load. The captor loops around the 4 AWG wire make it a transformer. Now the question is; does the 4AWG wire transfer energy to the captor loop or is the captor loop adding to the current in the 4 AWG wire?



    Take care,
    Carroll

    The way I see it, the earth return is adding energy to the load. It's coiled around the #4 AWG to modulate and attract energy from the ground.

    At the most this coiled earth return could be thought of as a current transformer but it would be wrong in this device because its working with a different form of current called the B-EMF. The B-EMF current behaves not at all like the current we know.

    I believe the #4 AWG shorted loop is the component labeled 'captor loop'. But its just taxonomy. I'm not too concerned what its called.

    Peace.

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  • citfta
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    This is the drawing I was referring to. In it you can plainly see one end of the captor is connected to the ground rods and the other end is connected to the load. The captor loops around the 4 AWG wire make it a transformer. Now the question is; does the 4AWG wire transfer energy to the captor loop or is the captor loop adding to the current in the 4 AWG wire?

    Originally posted by Minsky View Post
    I'm looking at Clarence's replication. The load is not hooked to the secondary in any way shape or form and that is where it differs from a transformer. It's pretty obvious if you ask me.

    There are other differences too but this is sufficient to show it's not a transformer.

    Good luck with your experiments.

    Take care,
    Carroll
    Last edited by citfta; 10-06-2015, 09:14 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    It sounds like amplification, says he is using a capacitor.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3wk5tBpAss






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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    I have my shop running on solar. So I setup a temporary test through the inverter with a small input and output ground grid. Have a smart charger connected to the captor wound around two car coils with the four cfl(4 foot) lights on over my work bench. Very surprised to see it produce enough to power the smart charger and keep the lights on.
    Will run it for some time and just learn. Why? Because that's the love for this endeavor!!!

    Thanks and stay the course,
    wantomake

    Okay this is what I found, car coil captor wound? Running a CFL? It sounds like you wound some 4awg wire around the outside of the car coil metal canisters (No resistor in one post)

    Either way I love new experimental data. yer makin history dude.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    So far can only keep cfl bulbs burning and not lose any battery power.
    But it does self power and maintain the battery bank voltage.

    Tomorrow will get the input rods placed in the middle of the output rods. I had the input rods 10 - 15 feet away. With test found more amps when in the middle as Clarence posted.

    Hope this helps.
    Sorry much typing,
    wantomake
    Awesome dude, I have high hopes for you man. You are inputting 20,000volts. You never told us what your captor transformers were made of did you?

    Or are you running another setup from the web? I will go back to see what you posted again. So far all I remember was you did some work like HITBY did and are using the mini pole pig setup?

    Is this right? then to a charger?

    Whatever it is sounds pretty good if it charges a battery and burns power at the load side.

    Mikey

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  • clarence
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    Lovin seeing you on the case

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Hey Shylo,
    That's exactly how I intend to keep my setup and add to it as it proves to deserve upgrading. I purchased different wattage bulbs to find the right size for my setup. I found my smaller unit does produce small amounts of amperage and I had to match it with smaller load. That's besides running the battery charger.

    I have 12" galvanized nails as rods, different lengths of copper 1/2 " pipe , the best is of course the 8' copper coated rods.

    For wire to the rods I use the ground from some old house wire. But will upgrade later. I fabricated connectors from left over pieces of copper.

    As I started building then I understood what Clarence stated in his posts.

    There's not much return from the grid and won't power the charger until you get enough grid to supply that power. Little things make a difference.

    The car coils are doing better than I thought. After getting the voltage up to certain amount the charger started running and the amps increased as grid was inlarged. So far can only keep cfl bulbs burning and not lose any battery power.
    But it does self power and maintain the battery bank voltage.

    Tomorrow will get the input rods placed in the middle of the output rods. I had the input rods 10 - 15 feet away. With test found more amps when in the middle as Clarence posted.

    Hope this helps.
    Sorry much typing,
    wantomake
    Hello wantomake,

    get after it Sir - Get after it!

    You are looking GOOD Sir!

    you are definitely going to be hero to many members Sir.

    Respect and BEST!

    Clarence

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  • wantomake
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    smaller version

    Hey Shylo,
    That's exactly how I intend to keep my setup and add to it as it proves to deserve upgrading. I purchased different wattage bulbs to find the right size for my setup. I found my smaller unit does produce small amounts of amperage and I had to match it with smaller load. That's besides running the battery charger.

    I have 12" galvanized nails as rods, different lengths of copper 1/2 " pipe , the best is of course the 8' copper coated rods.

    For wire to the rods I use the ground from some old house wire. But will upgrade later. I fabricated connectors from left over pieces of copper.

    As I started building then I understood what Clarence stated in his posts.

    There's not much return from the grid and won't power the charger until you get enough grid to supply that power. Little things make a difference.

    The car coils are doing better than I thought. After getting the voltage up to certain amount the charger started running and the amps increased as grid was inlarged. So far can only keep cfl bulbs burning and not lose any battery power.
    But it does self power and maintain the battery bank voltage.

    Tomorrow will get the input rods placed in the middle of the output rods. I had the input rods 10 - 15 feet away. With test found more amps when in the middle as Clarence posted.

    Hope this helps.
    Sorry much typing,
    wantomake
    Last edited by wantomake; 04-28-2015, 03:22 AM.

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  • Minsky
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    Originally posted by citfta View Post
    If the captor was connected as shown in the B&L patent you would be correct. The captor would be a capacitor. As Clarence has it connected with the end opposite the ground rods connected to the neutral line then it is acting as a transformer.

    I do like your method of determining the phase of a transformer primary to secondary. Simple and easy to do. Thanks for that idea.



    Carroll
    I'm looking at Clarence's replication. The load is not hooked to the secondary in any way shape or form and thats where it differs from a transformer. It's pretty obvious if you ask me.

    There are other differences too but this is sufficient to show it's not a transformer.

    Good luck with your experiments.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by shylo View Post
    Hi All, Can the whole thing be reduced to 10percent?
    I have an variable transformer with a dial , run it at 12vac ,less rods and smaller, instead of 8' long, 9.6in long?
    Will the variac run off a 300w inverter without blowing it?
    I had 2 , now I only have 1 inverter , and I don't want to lose it.
    Thanks artv
    Hi Shylo

    I have thought about that. The first thing my mind went to was the depth of the grounding rods. If you are reducing by 10X of grounding rods you are not dealing with the same type of soil. This is called TOPSOIL.

    If you want to try LED's or other input sources I recommend using at least a 4 foot rod system. Also use a double transformer or don't call it a captor.


    The variac might change a modified sinwave inverter wave to look better.

    The lower voltage potential will lessen your gains by 100X minimum.

    Using the full 120vac won't hurt the inverter as long as you don't load it up to far. I think Clarence told me something like 6 watts to run both of his toroids on idle. That ain't much.

    Just do it the same way you see it, just run a 100 watt light bulb for a load.That way less rods for less power.

    That way you can see how long your system works off the battery PLUS collected electrons from the earth.

    You know how to run joule counts.

    Mikey
    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-28-2015, 01:42 AM.

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