Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[Gringo11]

Grounding

Hello All,
I’m reading your posts right from the beginning – don’t want to miss something of relevance. Currently somewhere around post #50. I’ve been planning for a while to replicate B&L device but it was (in my mind) too many unknowns. Now with Clarence setup, it seems finally doable.
I’ve noticed there is a lot of references to grounding effect (number of rods in order to get it to working condition). Although not sure, maybe you have already came to this idea and covered it in later posts, I thought I better mention it before I finish reading all – this may take some time. It may be beneficial just like for Tesla Arial system to use, instead rods, larger plates (Aluminium, Brass, Copper).
Pros: surface area is bigger and x2 since both sides are in contact with earth requiring less of them.
Cons: Would be more difficult to get them into the ground. One would need to dig, place them in, and then to cover with dirt.
Never the less – just a thought. I think I will try plates – with everything else identical as in Clarence’s setup.
Good luck to all reproducing this awesome device. Great thanks to B&L and Clarence’s on clarifications.
Cheers - Gringo

[totoalas]

Thanks,
Can you post link to your video? Or is it posted here?

wantomake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9AovHxJss

[Minsky]

battery charger

@All,
Resting time and charging time of a battery and correctly switching a battery is possible and Stevan Cerovec seems to think he's found the perfect solution with his Tesla switch amplifier. This is just one leg of the Tesla switch. It could also be utilized as a good source for the B&L test bench.

Take a gander

[wantomake]

Video

Hi Wantomake
I just used the power supply from a sony play station input power switched off from the mains and output either + or neg to + of the oscillator and the neg to earth ground
Instead of mains we can use inverter same in clarence set up..... but no time yet to test on this set up..... see my video

Thanks,
Can you post link to your video? Or is it posted here?

wantomake

[kenssurplus]

good theory

M.M. I like your theory, as it fits what I had thought originally about the B&L and Lorrie Matchet devices. I also like the thought of matching Av diode plugs per each ground system.

For a few days I had been thinking about the captret device and how capacitative induction (correct term?) causes the charge on the internal plate(s) of a metal can capacitor to be mimmicked on the outside can. A few years ago, I tried some experiments using MOTs, Ferroresonant transformers, and some Mag Amps, along with testing of the captret 3 legged capacitors (outside can the 3rd leg).
Although I read induced voltage on the 3rd leg of the cap, my power from the ground experiments didn't improve my home power system - so I dropped that line of investigation.

I would jump back in if I could isolate the inducing voltage from the inverter from being used through the ground system.

Several years ago, on the Evgray Yahoo group, there was a device detailed that showed several capacitor sections that were held at high potential, thusly inducing a current from the ground to the opposite polarity of the capacitor network, providing much output without using hardly any input (except to replace capacitative leakage of the high side).

Having burned up ceveral circuit boards, MOTs, inverters and struggling to understand simple circuits, I considered that project too far over my head to attempt.
Now I wish I had jumped on it and at least tried something.

For this device under discussion, I have some small torroids, txfrmrs, and a small sq~ inverter, but am hesitant to commit smoke to this until further clarification can be nailed down without a knock-down, drag-out fight.

Thank you for your insight.
Ken

[MadMack]

A different theory

Hi,

How many of you have thought about how the B&L captor might actually function, and that it might really work?

Going with the belief that it does work I have tried to imagine how it could gather charge from the ground and have come up with a theory based on the actions of lightning.

Before a discharge of lightning occurs a biased charge in the air, usually negative but can be positive also, attracts large amounts of opposite charges in the ground. Those charges will move through the ground and through or over anything on the ground reaching toward the charge from the cloud.

It is this attraction that interests me. To attract a charge in the ground takes an opposite charge as evidenced by the action of lightning. Clarence's setup injects AC into the ground and collects it a short distance away. Actually each branch of his ground rod system is both an injector and collector because it's AC current. Each branch of his ground rod array flip flops pos to neg at 60 hz.

I intend to set up a test where the two ground branches will consist of two rods at the end of each branch. Two rods wired to diodes in an Avramenko plug connected to one side of the ground branch, with the same setup on the other branch. This way each rod and the earth around it will be polarised either pos or neg at all times.

The two positive rods will be grouped together at 1 meter apart, and the two negative rods will be grouped likewise. These two groups will be set at 2 meters apart from each other.

Hopefully the pos pair will attract neg charge from the earth and the neg pair will attract pos charge from the earth, aiding the total current.

It will be several weeks before the rest of my components arrive, so if anyone else would like to try this idea, please feel free to do so.

Mack

[totoalas]

Hi Wantomake
I just used the power supply from a sony play station input power switched off from the mains and output either + or neg to + of the oscillator and the neg to earth ground
Instead of mains we can use inverter same in clarence set up..... but no time yet to test on this set up..... see my video

[wantomake]

best use?

The last time I used the water tap as ground ..... Somebody in the shower room screamed like hell ..... so never try this at home

To use the battery is the better option.....

Kurt oscillator is best applied on this set up

Totoalas,
How would you use the Kurt oscillator to replicate this B &L setup?

I've tried and could only keep a 13 watt cfl powered (plus the car battery charger) for a very long run. The system only pulled small amounts from the earth grid.

If you could elaborate on this would be great.

Thanks,
wantomake

[lotec]

Thanks
I didnt think about the two waves in direct opposition colliding and causing a lethal build up of energy in and around the house, and other majpr problems including the wratth of the power company.

[totoalas]

The last time I used the water tap as ground ..... Somebody in the shower room screamed like hell ..... so never try this at home

To use the battery is the better option.....

Kurt oscillator is best applied on this set up

[lotec]

Would it be possible to run the B & L system not directly from the mains but from a 1 to 1 transformer and hook up the polarities so that it is operating 180 degrees out of phase with your friendly local electric company.

[a.king21]

All we need is one of these and we're in business:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82PpCzM2CUg

Aren't we??

[kenssurplus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2-kfbjxKLc
Take a break go fishing

Yeah it works, but in my experience, it kills the worms or at least makes them not near as stout or hearty, so that they die off way before your fish are caught.

Now if you could get those worms onto a nonconducting squirrel cage rotor, then as they climbed up the wheel, the wheel would turn producing mechanical power!
An excellent place for your tupperware electron capture device

[Dave45]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2-kfbjxKLc
Take a break go fishing

[level]

Level:
I think that there are some people especially in 3rd world countries that would still appreciate the use of your type Captor crt, to save on electricity bills, etz...
I would recommend using thicker wires to avoid the melting and overheating of the plastic Captor unit. Ha, ha...
I understand that it's common practice in Brazil, among out countries, as well. Nothing wrong with that, as it's on your own property, and is not being enforced in any way, at all.
If this were to be connected to a real captor device, even more output power can possibly be obtained. I can only light up to a a 50 watt bulb/to ground.
So, I think that I need to cover mine with the plastic. To be able to reach 100w, output like yours...
A little humor, doesn't hurt at times.

I'm still waiting for some real proof of operation, to light the way.

Hello Nickz. If the ground connection or ground itself is not so good you could have a fair bit of voltage on the ground rod, and in the vicinity of the ground rod in the ground. It is a potential shock hazard. The power meter on your house may or may not pick up the power going to the ground loop, it depends on how things are set up and the type of power meter they have installed on your house. Some newer power meters at least may be able to detect this power usage no problem, and you will still be charged for it, and the problem may be flagged as a ground fault as well. To the power company this sort of power going to earth ground is considered to be a ground fault, and they make efforts to detect them and find out what the problem is. Power companies will probably not be happy about this sort of thing if they discover it. There is also the potential shock hazard. It is not advisable for anyone to try this sort of thing.
Yes, the use of a tupperware electron capture device may give better results.