Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[clarence]

Self looped system with large toroid build

Respectfully please do not post your personal messages on this thread. Such as car reviews etc.

If you are going to address the thread owner (CLARENCE) do so by
saying excuse me and do not change the topic.

This thread is about building designs of the B&L captor and getting
yours working, not about hypothetical external operating systems
of endless schemes.

A moderator will be asked to delete your comments in this thread if
you continue and that is more work for them.

You have your own thread so by all means use that one for your
personal topics.

Thank you and God Bless.

Michael Rowland (Central Kansas USA)

Hello BRO,

regarding the self loop system I discussed by E - which includes my FIRST use of the Large toroid for it's ability to transfer amperage by induction to wire coils wrapped around it's own 5 turn loop - I will make a post some time next Tuesday maybe Wednesday (depending on how long it takes to make the mentioned improvements) - I will use the forum jpg attachment method for clarity. No more photos for certain.

Kindest Regards Bro,

Clarence

[BroMikey]

Hello BRO,

regarding the self loop system I discussed by E - which includes
my FIRST use of the Large toroid for it's ability to transfer amperage
by induction to wire coils wrapped around it's own 5 turn loop -
I will make a post some time next Tuesday maybe Wednesday
(depending on how long it takes to make the mentioned improvements)
- I will use the forum jpg attachment method for clarity.
No more photos for certain.

Kindest Regards Bro,

Clarence

Hello Clarence

Exciting to hear from you and to watch you experiment (Stumbling process)
till you hit a homerun. At-ta-Boy In your message to me
privately I think i know exactly what you are doing with the changes
and soon I will be sure when you post your final.

Your setup is so over the top, looks industrial, components are all
high quality. There is always another improvement to be had.

Looking forward.

[BroMikey]

The two sets of steel grounding rods must be
close enough to electrostatically “feel” each other to register a
voltage difference between them. And there must be a strong
enough geomagnetic field flowing between them to “blow out” a
ny chance for arcing to occur which could neutralize their voltage
difference. A dry soil will also help in this regard.

But it is their difference in mass, alone, which conveys this
voltage difference between them acquired, not from the Earth,
but from their magneto-motive reactions to the oscillations built
up between them originating from within the circuit of Barbosa
and Leal. It is this circuit which is the source of oscillations
throughout its entire design manifesting in all of its parts not
the least of which lies between these two sets of grounding
rods.

Geomagnetism merely prevents obliteration of voltage between
these two sets of rods. It does not supply them anything other
than immunity from decay.

An analogy exists from within Richard Hackenberger's last edition of
the EV Gray motor according to its assessment by Mark McKay.

Compressed air (analogous to the flow of geomagnetism) was forced
through the interior of the EV Gray motor to prevent arcing between
the aluminum chassis (lined on its interior surface with Teflon) and
the aluminum supports underneath the rotor/stator coils. These
aluminum supports were insulated from their immediate surroundings
so as to become dielectrically isolated from all other parts of the motor (including the chassis whose voltage potential just happened to be in opposition to these inner support pieces). Yet, it was the electrostatic
field surrounding the rotor and stator coils which fed the polarizing
charge built up among these inner supports and the chassis of the
motor so long as sufficient air kept blowing in through this motor's
interior to prevent arcing and an elimination of electrostatic charge
existing between the chassis and these aluminum supports. This
electrostatic field contributed to the motor's overunity performance
as an oscillatory response to this motor's operation. This response did
not go unnoticed by the motor's output despite a lack of direct
connection between these two “floating” capacitor plates and the
circuitry of the motor.

The Electric Keeper of B&L has to be driven by something. The
contribution of voltage supplied by the AC Sinewave Inverter is one
source. But the Earth is not the other. The Earth merely provides
isolation so that an electrostatic buildup can occur among the two
sets of grounding rods: isolation via a dry soil, but most importantly
isolation between two differing masses of ferromagnetizable material possessing a potential difference of magneto-motive force (not to be confused with electro-motive force although this latter will be the
end result).

Tesla used magnetic fields to quench a spark gap. The Earth, here,
does the same.

Now that I've contributed my assessment, you may delete them all. Good-bye!

Good Bye to you also, but before we part let me suggest something to
you if I may. It is bad manners to steal documents just because you
are able and then joke about it in an insulting way to the one you took
them from, knowing it would be against his will in an effort to belittle.

Further you are not sorry but think it is a cute display of your dazzling
abilities just like this post where we can all see how smart you must be
being such a deep thinker.

We have no short supply of super intellect here only those who have
the time to do the work. Your good bye emotional out burst as a way
to turn your status to victim is nothing new either.

We are all glad you are a super thinker and wish you well tho another
long post on theoretical jargon is nothing more than rubble to the
working man.

Good Day.

[JS5]

Good riddens

Hope he is gone now, then we can follow this thread without the mostly duplicated blabber in-between.

My one toroid Clarence-replicated captor loop survived switch-on. Will start testing with loads this week.

Thank you for the email details Clarence sir!

God bless!

[clarence]

BRO MIKEY,

Nicely done Sir!

For all of BlunderDog's intelligence he still is not smart enough to
understand how forum posting and deleting works on this site.
Seems he can't understand that posts can only be deleted BY THE ONE WHO MADE THEM or by the forum Administrator/Moderator !!!!
Hopefully he will see information I have stated and bless us all by deleting them himself as he said he was willing for this to happen.
Then he can return to his own thread and remain there. HOPE SO!

Thank you again BRO,

Clarence

Hello BRO,

Finally finished and ran the system with the improvements of the Supercap banks as the lead receiver of the charge voltage from the Batt charger prior to the battery itself.

The draw on the battery this time was 10.6 amps (a lot I believe).
used my 3000 watt Aims inverter - others were too beat up to use any more.
the toroid didn't perform at all this time - It's amp was 112.9-113 amps.
It remained the same reading all the time.
Last time I had 8 #10 AWG turns around the mid of the toroid loop
and it showed it was furnishing amperage by induction to those eight turns.
this time I had stepped it up to 64 wraps and it didn't give up anything.
Evidently more is not better. Will drop to just 4 wraps over the weekend
and see what happens going with less.

This time I had two batteries being charged at the same by the Xantrix charger (specs say it can do three at a time !) One was used for the test
and the other was idle while being charged ( not connected to anything
except it's own supercap parallel to battery leads from charger.
Took only about 4 minutes to charge it from 12.2 to 14.3 ready to go.

The charger and a 100 watt CFL were self looped back to the charging of both separate batteries.
The run was shorter this time because it had no help from the large wire toroid unit.
Still the run was long enough coupled with the fast enough charge of the idle battery to convince me that a 24/7 hour option is possible - all at 60 Hz.
To accomplish that it would just be necessary to switch the idle battery into service and the being used battery out of service. the out of service battery still has its own incoming charge since it is already connected to the charging circuit and would only take about 4 minutes to be ready to go again.
I have located a Make..then Brake battery switch that is made and designed for just this purpose to switch batteries UNDERLOAD so as not to interrupt service and without damage to normal components the inverter is powering.

The switch I will order will be in by late next week and I will build that
system to make use of it.

Be mindful that this is a MANUAL switch. It will have to be updated with a

timer/servo control to make it automatic for the end user.

Still lots to do but that's better than sitting on a dead ass twiddling thumbs.
No jpg pics at this time - nothing worth the effort.

thanks for listening BRO,


Clarence

[BroMikey]

Hello Clarence

Good testing, only a real rigger can appreciate a high amp handling
power switch made at home to swap out or reverse charge and run
system batteries.

Ions love to charge up going one way so this is a conservative approach.

The captor winding changes up to 64 turns opposes a transformer
winding ratio of far less potential difference. As any transformers turn
ration drops so does the voltage and so does the amps in most cases.

This is what we experiment for, we are looking for that tuning as others
have put it. As an example when John Bedini got me doing his ENERGIZERS
in the early 2000's, I began to look at batteries much more closely so let
me explain.

Not to go on for long yet look at the 12v battery. If my battery is being
tuned to a circuit for charging, that battery must have a certain voltage
above the 15v target so amps will move.

This is my best way of talking, somewhere between old school and one leg
up on something new at school. Many wave forms can show low amps as
compared to a normal charger that charge the battery better, why?

Because the voltage is somewhere between 30v and 100v with most of
the wave self adjusting to work with the battery to over come

PLATE RESISTANCE

Once plate resistance is looked at properly you look for ways to charge
a battery first most efficient and in some cases more than 100 percent.
Of course this is beyond the scope of our thread but if we charge and
discharge our batteries at the same time, the circuits appear obstinate
maybe a 20 percent charge conversion efficiency.

When conflict exists in the system instability rules and we are faced with
and endless set of anomalous patterns that throw off our investigation.
This is why John B. took us to the beginning of running power in and out
of batteries.

Now that you have eliminated this losing battle with ions you can get
a better picture in the developing investigation without kicking batteries
throwing your data off.

On one final note, keep looking for your desired effect and know this
that many other added changes will improve what you have also.

Together we will make experimenting great again.

[clarence]

Thanks BRO,

I understood your Info!
Always love your input BRO!

Thanks again,

Clarence

[JS5]

Hi Clarence,

Thank you for your persistence in testing and effort to get us all there. I was wondering about more turns around the toroid loop as I saw Nelson Rotcha did it that way. I will stay with the 4 loops then with my testing also. Thanks for the test info.

[clarence]

Hi Clarence,

Thank you for your persistence in testing and effort to get us all there. I was wondering about more turns around the toroid loop as I saw Nelson Rotcha did it that way. I will stay with the 4 loops then with my testing also. Thanks for the test info.

Hello JS5,

I decided to use only ONE turn around the toroid loop (actually would be 1 1/2) to keep the transformer effect in the step down mode to get the best usage
amps wise out of the induction process.

Also I use separate plug in circuits on the inverter to separate power being supplied to the toroid itself and the circuit power passing THROUGH the induction loop itself. that way I can use clamp on meter AND Kill-A-Watt
meter to visualize what is actually happening moment by moment.

I also keep track of the amp draw on the battery negative to the inverter.
That tells me whether the inverter is working in lazy mode or is really having to work like hell to get the job done.

at present I am just using a single 35 AH batt for the inverter supply instead of a large battery bank with a greater AH ability because I want to know
NOW in the short term!!!! When the short term is perfected needless to say
the Long term will take care of itself.

Also the info from BROMIKEY with respect to injecting the battery charging
THROUGH supercap banks paralleled across each of the batteries being charged ( active battery AND idle battery ) is great info!!!!
The supercap banks receive the ion flo - the battery gets the pulse.
BRO will correct me if I'm wrong.

Also it should be noted that my Xantrix Truecharge REQUIRES a 40 AH
battery minimum - I just barely skate by with the 35 AH batteries.
Works for now!

Hope all this helps J .

Best regards

Clarence

[JS5]

Thanks Clarence,

Nice test setup, you are rolling! Holding thumbs.
I eventually can start testing today also. Not as far with my setup as you are, but I will be learning a few things.

All your feedback helps to keep direction.

Regards

[wantomake]

Email

Hey old friend,
Sent you an e-mail today. Hope to get caught up here.

wantomake

[clarence]

Hey old friend,
Sent you an e-mail today. Hope to get caught up here.

wantomake

Hey old Friend,

Sent you an E-mail Yesterday.
Trying to get finished on this end for later this weekend.

Clarence

[Dwane]

Here are the first of the pictures Clarence may or may not put
up for those who might be interested. This is good work and good
workmanship.
















Happy building everyone

Hi Guys,
interesting thread. Pity about all the deleted information that might have been useful to someone coming in later. Ah well!

Anyway, if this is where you are up to with the Barbosa and Leal interpretation, you might just as well go and have a look at Don Smith's work. One of his devices looks a lot like the previously attached photos in the quote. There again, it might be that Barbosa and Leal have just reconfigured Tesla's asymetrical transformer, and it has been reverted back to its true design configuration.

Regards

Dwane

[BroMikey]

Hello Dwane,

ALL of the pictures and the posting of them was an unfortunate ACCIDENT

@ BroMikey:
BRO when you read this post PLEASE DELETE YOUR POST OF THOSE PHOTOS
FOR THE REASON MENTIONED! Thank you Sir!

Okay I took care of it. We don't want to many signals getting crossed
in your process that has evolved over time based on the experiment.

I took off that Don Smith stuff. If anyone wants the DON SMITH go
to that thread.

[clarence]

Okay I took care of it. We don't want to many signals getting crossed
in your process that has evolved over time based on the experiment.

I took off that Don Smith stuff. If anyone wants the DON SMITH go
to that thread.

Hello Bro,

Thanks for that BRO !
Appreciate it!

The BLACK BOX one needs to go too though - It was the High Frequency
Driver Unit for the vertical coils - so it is still out of context on this thread!

Thanks Again Bro!

Clarence